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		By: Johann Amadeus Metesky		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Johann Amadeus Metesky]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Dec 2017 18:38:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sometimes you can get past the NYT paywall by using View Source in your browser options. The full text of the article is sometimes viewable that way. I copy it all and paste into an HTML editor to make it easier to read.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sometimes you can get past the NYT paywall by using View Source in your browser options. The full text of the article is sometimes viewable that way. I copy it all and paste into an HTML editor to make it easier to read.</p>
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		By: Phelps		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Phelps]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Dec 2017 16:02:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The media is bad at persuasion.  

They run a story that says, &quot;Trump watches Fox &#038; Friends!  What an idiot!&quot;  

Average Guy watches that and thinks, &quot;But I watch Fox &#038; Friends.&quot;

They run a story that says, &quot;Trump eats at McDonalds!  What an idiot!&quot;

Average Guy watches that, and thinks, &quot;I eat at McDonalds.&quot;

They run a story that says, &quot;Trump says he should sue the media for lying about him!  What an idiot!&quot;

Average Guy watches that, and thinks, &quot;If they lied about me, I would want to sue them.&quot;

Then, at some point, Average Guy thinks, &quot;They think I&#039;m an idiot.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The media is bad at persuasion.  </p>
<p>They run a story that says, &#8220;Trump watches Fox &amp; Friends!  What an idiot!&#8221;  </p>
<p>Average Guy watches that and thinks, &#8220;But I watch Fox &amp; Friends.&#8221;</p>
<p>They run a story that says, &#8220;Trump eats at McDonalds!  What an idiot!&#8221;</p>
<p>Average Guy watches that, and thinks, &#8220;I eat at McDonalds.&#8221;</p>
<p>They run a story that says, &#8220;Trump says he should sue the media for lying about him!  What an idiot!&#8221;</p>
<p>Average Guy watches that, and thinks, &#8220;If they lied about me, I would want to sue them.&#8221;</p>
<p>Then, at some point, Average Guy thinks, &#8220;They think I&#8217;m an idiot.&#8221;</p>
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		By: Emma Morrow		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Emma Morrow]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Dec 2017 13:46:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If you MUST open the New York Times under the paywall, use your browser&#039;s incognito mode.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you MUST open the New York Times under the paywall, use your browser&#8217;s incognito mode.</p>
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		By: Patrick		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Patrick]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Dec 2017 13:41:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[All republican presidents are idiots, going back to Eisenhower at least, with the exception of Nixon I think, and all democratic presidents are brilliant, geniuses even.  (in the eyes of the media that is, who in their own eyes are also quite brilliant)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All republican presidents are idiots, going back to Eisenhower at least, with the exception of Nixon I think, and all democratic presidents are brilliant, geniuses even.  (in the eyes of the media that is, who in their own eyes are also quite brilliant)</p>
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		By: Islamic Rage Boy		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Dec 2017 11:01:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[... but somehow Obama watching Sports Center was cute ?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230; but somehow Obama watching Sports Center was cute ?</p>
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		By: FOAF		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Dec 2017 10:47:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I may have posted this here before but it is relevant.  I think it is telling because it happened long before Trump or even Obama emerged as national politicians and it has stuck with me since then.

On the night of the 2004 election I was watching MSM coverage (probably one of the last times I watched them for anything).  Bush had clinched it and they were at the post-mortem stage.  First I turned on CBS and everyone was all grumpy and snarly, &quot;How could Americans vote for this etc. etc....&quot;  I switched to NBC and they were at least superficially less biased.  Moderator Tom Brokaw asked the correspondents, &quot;What did you learn from covering the election?&quot; and one of them said, &quot;The people in the middle of the country are really angry about the way they are portrayed in the media&quot;.

Everyone sort of nodded and stroked their chin and I thought, &quot;So what are you going to do about it?&quot; My suspicion was that the answer was &quot;Nothing&quot; but I wasn&#039;t quite right.  Instead they doubled down and got much worse, especially after Obama became a serious candidate.  As the cliche goes &quot;This is how you get Trump&quot;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I may have posted this here before but it is relevant.  I think it is telling because it happened long before Trump or even Obama emerged as national politicians and it has stuck with me since then.</p>
<p>On the night of the 2004 election I was watching MSM coverage (probably one of the last times I watched them for anything).  Bush had clinched it and they were at the post-mortem stage.  First I turned on CBS and everyone was all grumpy and snarly, &#8220;How could Americans vote for this etc. etc&#8230;.&#8221;  I switched to NBC and they were at least superficially less biased.  Moderator Tom Brokaw asked the correspondents, &#8220;What did you learn from covering the election?&#8221; and one of them said, &#8220;The people in the middle of the country are really angry about the way they are portrayed in the media&#8221;.</p>
<p>Everyone sort of nodded and stroked their chin and I thought, &#8220;So what are you going to do about it?&#8221; My suspicion was that the answer was &#8220;Nothing&#8221; but I wasn&#8217;t quite right.  Instead they doubled down and got much worse, especially after Obama became a serious candidate.  As the cliche goes &#8220;This is how you get Trump&#8221;.</p>
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		By: charles		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Dec 2017 02:32:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Trumps an idiot&quot;

I hope they keep at it as that might just guarantee another 4 years of Trump after his first term.

I say that because, while there are many people who believe the MSM&#039;s tripe; enough don&#039;t buy it and know garbage when they smell it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Trumps an idiot&#8221;</p>
<p>I hope they keep at it as that might just guarantee another 4 years of Trump after his first term.</p>
<p>I say that because, while there are many people who believe the MSM&#8217;s tripe; enough don&#8217;t buy it and know garbage when they smell it.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Dec 2017 21:58:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Comments such as these still apply - life does indeed catch up.
We are seeing anti-intellectualism in action on all sides, but the left is both progenitor and descendant of the roiling surf. And what is the current wave of #MeToo but the Nemesis of the previous acquiescence to (or even celebration of) the harassers&#039; Hubris.

Good Ole Charlie Says: 
August 9th, 2010 at 5:02 pm
 I read it in (IIRC) recently a column by Victor Davis Hanson:

“After Hubris Comes Nemesis”

Nemesis in some forms awaits the Ezra Kleins of this vale of tears. Sometime, somewhere, somehow…Life catches up.

I do expect also a wave of anti-intellectualism to break on these shores in the near future…perhaps in a year or two.

Surf’s Up!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Comments such as these still apply &#8211; life does indeed catch up.<br />
We are seeing anti-intellectualism in action on all sides, but the left is both progenitor and descendant of the roiling surf. And what is the current wave of #MeToo but the Nemesis of the previous acquiescence to (or even celebration of) the harassers&#8217; Hubris.</p>
<p>Good Ole Charlie Says:<br />
August 9th, 2010 at 5:02 pm<br />
 I read it in (IIRC) recently a column by Victor Davis Hanson:</p>
<p>“After Hubris Comes Nemesis”</p>
<p>Nemesis in some forms awaits the Ezra Kleins of this vale of tears. Sometime, somewhere, somehow…Life catches up.</p>
<p>I do expect also a wave of anti-intellectualism to break on these shores in the near future…perhaps in a year or two.</p>
<p>Surf’s Up!</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Dec 2017 21:51:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[neo-neocon Says: 
December 10th, 2017 at 12:42 am
AesopFan:

See this.
* * *
Excellent post, as were the comments back in the day.
There shouldn&#039;t be any surprise that the MSM and especially CNN are such disasters today.

The censure of Ezra Klein should not be restricted to leftist journalists, as Neo says in her post.  I well remember the scathing comments about Noah Rothman&#039;s debut on Hot Air a few years ago -- all of it deserved -- and yet now he is a featured author on Commentary, an otherwise fine journal.
If you hire know-nothing-but-what-I-read-in-school writers, you get know-nothing-useful news reports.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>neo-neocon Says:<br />
December 10th, 2017 at 12:42 am<br />
AesopFan:</p>
<p>See this.<br />
* * *<br />
Excellent post, as were the comments back in the day.<br />
There shouldn&#8217;t be any surprise that the MSM and especially CNN are such disasters today.</p>
<p>The censure of Ezra Klein should not be restricted to leftist journalists, as Neo says in her post.  I well remember the scathing comments about Noah Rothman&#8217;s debut on Hot Air a few years ago &#8212; all of it deserved &#8212; and yet now he is a featured author on Commentary, an otherwise fine journal.<br />
If you hire know-nothing-but-what-I-read-in-school writers, you get know-nothing-useful news reports.</p>
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		By: T		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[T]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Dec 2017 16:04:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;&quot;If you are going to live in America, then at least quit disrespecting her and us – or go back to where it was so much better that you left there to come here.&quot; [Aesopfan @ 12:17]&lt;/b&gt;

Aesopfan,

Such activists fly the Mexican flag, as if to say Mexico is better that the U.S., but simultaneously consider it a punishment to send illegal immigrants back there.

Francesca,

Yep.  When the shoe fits . . . .]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>&#8220;If you are going to live in America, then at least quit disrespecting her and us – or go back to where it was so much better that you left there to come here.&#8221; [Aesopfan @ 12:17]</b></p>
<p>Aesopfan,</p>
<p>Such activists fly the Mexican flag, as if to say Mexico is better that the U.S., but simultaneously consider it a punishment to send illegal immigrants back there.</p>
<p>Francesca,</p>
<p>Yep.  When the shoe fits . . . .</p>
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