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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2017/11/16/this-is-called-staying-on-message/#comment-2285089</link>

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					<description><![CDATA[neo-neocon Says: 
November 17th, 2017 at 1:44 pm
AesopFan:
... So people might be more likely to use lies that are difficult to detect rather than lies that are easy to debunk.
* * 
Agreed.
But I&#039;m wondering how well thought out any of this brouhaha really is, since WaPo claims they only got hold of the accusers immediately prior to publication (how many days?) and that was only last week.

&quot;Woman says Roy Moore initiated sexual encounter when she was 14, he was 32&quot;. The Washington Post. Retrieved 9 November 2017.

Plus, as I have said earlier, why in the world did Allred let the yearbook be seen without an instant explanation for the colored inks and signature problems?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>neo-neocon Says:<br />
November 17th, 2017 at 1:44 pm<br />
AesopFan:<br />
&#8230; So people might be more likely to use lies that are difficult to detect rather than lies that are easy to debunk.<br />
* *<br />
Agreed.<br />
But I&#8217;m wondering how well thought out any of this brouhaha really is, since WaPo claims they only got hold of the accusers immediately prior to publication (how many days?) and that was only last week.</p>
<p>&#8220;Woman says Roy Moore initiated sexual encounter when she was 14, he was 32&#8221;. The Washington Post. Retrieved 9 November 2017.</p>
<p>Plus, as I have said earlier, why in the world did Allred let the yearbook be seen without an instant explanation for the colored inks and signature problems?</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Nov 2017 18:44:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[AesopFan:

Oh, I&#039;m well aware that people lie a great deal, about things small and large, believable and unbelievable.

I do think, though, that a well-orchestrated political hit job that involves lying about someone is often quite well thought-out, and works better if it is. So people might be more likely to use lies that are difficult to detect rather than lies that are easy to debunk.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AesopFan:</p>
<p>Oh, I&#8217;m well aware that people lie a great deal, about things small and large, believable and unbelievable.</p>
<p>I do think, though, that a well-orchestrated political hit job that involves lying about someone is often quite well thought-out, and works better if it is. So people might be more likely to use lies that are difficult to detect rather than lies that are easy to debunk.</p>
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		By: Ymar Sakar		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Nov 2017 18:44:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. – That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men…”&lt;/b&gt;

That&#039;s not the Bible. That&#039;s Masonry, which back then meant Free Exercise of Religion. No Vatican. No Church of England. No Roman State Religion enforced by the legions, crucifixion, torture, taxes, etc.

What you are quoting, GB, is a new covenant that established the US as a direct vassal under the Kingdom of God or the Divine Counsel of the Trinity.

It is not from the Bible at all.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. – That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men…”</b></p>
<p>That&#8217;s not the Bible. That&#8217;s Masonry, which back then meant Free Exercise of Religion. No Vatican. No Church of England. No Roman State Religion enforced by the legions, crucifixion, torture, taxes, etc.</p>
<p>What you are quoting, GB, is a new covenant that established the US as a direct vassal under the Kingdom of God or the Divine Counsel of the Trinity.</p>
<p>It is not from the Bible at all.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Nov 2017 15:50:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Neo, you are just too rational, and would never make a good criminal.
People lie all the time about things even when &quot;it would be so easy to find out if&quot; it really could happen that way.

Lincoln and the Almanac come to mind.

There are examples even in just this case: banned from the mall (now in doubt); regular at the restaurant (could be other servers from that time with different data), signed my yearbook (waiting for the experts on that one),  
the divorce details discrepancy is more spin than lie IMO)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neo, you are just too rational, and would never make a good criminal.<br />
People lie all the time about things even when &#8220;it would be so easy to find out if&#8221; it really could happen that way.</p>
<p>Lincoln and the Almanac come to mind.</p>
<p>There are examples even in just this case: banned from the mall (now in doubt); regular at the restaurant (could be other servers from that time with different data), signed my yearbook (waiting for the experts on that one),<br />
the divorce details discrepancy is more spin than lie IMO)</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Nov 2017 05:35:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[AesopFan:

Thanks.

If there was a trial, that&#039;s the sort of thing that could be learned rather easily---did the restaurant have a parking lot in the back in 1977?  It would be important, too, because if there was no such lot then her story would be much less credible.

My guess is that there was a lot, though.  Having worked at the restaurant, she was familiar with the layout.

I&#039;m assuming, of course, that she did work at the restaurant back then.  That&#039;s not the sort of thing she&#039;d be likely to lie about, because it would be so easy to find out if she did or didn&#039;t.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AesopFan:</p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
<p>If there was a trial, that&#8217;s the sort of thing that could be learned rather easily&#8212;did the restaurant have a parking lot in the back in 1977?  It would be important, too, because if there was no such lot then her story would be much less credible.</p>
<p>My guess is that there was a lot, though.  Having worked at the restaurant, she was familiar with the layout.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m assuming, of course, that she did work at the restaurant back then.  That&#8217;s not the sort of thing she&#8217;d be likely to lie about, because it would be so easy to find out if she did or didn&#8217;t.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Nov 2017 05:31:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[avi Says: 
November 16th, 2017 at 6:03 pm
neo,
forgot where I read it last night, but confirmed by Rush today
https://www.mapquest.com/us/alabama/old-hickory-house-363661604
* * *
I couldn&#039;t tell from the map which building was supposed to be the restaurant, but leaving that aside, the lack of a parking lot now doesn&#039;t mean there was none 30 years ago.
When I look at the changes to buildings and even streets in my own town just in the decade I&#039;ve been here, the claim isn&#039;t dispositive.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>avi Says:<br />
November 16th, 2017 at 6:03 pm<br />
neo,<br />
forgot where I read it last night, but confirmed by Rush today<br />
<a href="https://www.mapquest.com/us/alabama/old-hickory-house-363661604" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.mapquest.com/us/alabama/old-hickory-house-363661604</a><br />
* * *<br />
I couldn&#8217;t tell from the map which building was supposed to be the restaurant, but leaving that aside, the lack of a parking lot now doesn&#8217;t mean there was none 30 years ago.<br />
When I look at the changes to buildings and even streets in my own town just in the decade I&#8217;ve been here, the claim isn&#8217;t dispositive.</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Nov 2017 23:03:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[neo,
forgot where I read it last night, but confirmed by Rush today
https://www.mapquest.com/us/alabama/old-hickory-house-363661604]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>neo,<br />
forgot where I read it last night, but confirmed by Rush today<br />
<a href="https://www.mapquest.com/us/alabama/old-hickory-house-363661604" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.mapquest.com/us/alabama/old-hickory-house-363661604</a></p>
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		By: Geoffrey Britain		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Geoffrey Britain]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Nov 2017 21:44:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;&quot;The USA was not founded on the Bible.&quot;&lt;/i&gt; 

That&#039;s arguable.

&quot;We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed &lt;b&gt;by their Creator&lt;/b&gt; with certain &lt;b&gt;unalienable&lt;/b&gt; Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. – That to &lt;b&gt;secure these rights&lt;/b&gt;, Governments are instituted among Men...&quot; 

The &quot;creator&quot; to whom the founders referred was not the Hindu Vishnu, the Greek&#039;s Zeus or the Egyptian&#039;s Sun God Ra. 

And while the Declaration is not the Constitution, it is its spiritual inspiration, for &quot;unalienable&quot; rights cannot exist absent a beneficent creator that transcends the current consensus of societal opinion. Government can only &#039;grant&#039; to its citizens... privileges.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;The USA was not founded on the Bible.&#8221;</i> </p>
<p>That&#8217;s arguable.</p>
<p>&#8220;We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed <b>by their Creator</b> with certain <b>unalienable</b> Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. – That to <b>secure these rights</b>, Governments are instituted among Men&#8230;&#8221; </p>
<p>The &#8220;creator&#8221; to whom the founders referred was not the Hindu Vishnu, the Greek&#8217;s Zeus or the Egyptian&#8217;s Sun God Ra. </p>
<p>And while the Declaration is not the Constitution, it is its spiritual inspiration, for &#8220;unalienable&#8221; rights cannot exist absent a beneficent creator that transcends the current consensus of societal opinion. Government can only &#8216;grant&#8217; to its citizens&#8230; privileges.</p>
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		By: Dave		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Nov 2017 20:54:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;I&#039;ll quit standing when they lay me in that box and put me in the ground&quot;  - Roy Moore on whether he will withdraw from the AL senate race in light of the sexual assault allegations

It is the duty of every Christian to fight to the death against false accusations.  Jesus never taught us to back down from evil and apologize to every accusation even those you didn&#039;t commit.  Apologizing to things you didn&#039;t commit is lying, quitting for things you didn&#039;t do is lying, why do evangelicals like Mitt Romney or Paul Ryan want Roy Moore to lie?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I&#8217;ll quit standing when they lay me in that box and put me in the ground&#8221;  &#8211; Roy Moore on whether he will withdraw from the AL senate race in light of the sexual assault allegations</p>
<p>It is the duty of every Christian to fight to the death against false accusations.  Jesus never taught us to back down from evil and apologize to every accusation even those you didn&#8217;t commit.  Apologizing to things you didn&#8217;t commit is lying, quitting for things you didn&#8217;t do is lying, why do evangelicals like Mitt Romney or Paul Ryan want Roy Moore to lie?</p>
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		By: Ymar Sakar		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ymar Sakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Nov 2017 20:51:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The USA was not founded on the Bible. It wasn&#039;t founded on atheism either.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The USA was not founded on the Bible. It wasn&#8217;t founded on atheism either.</p>
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