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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ymarsakar and Richard Saunders:

This has devolved from a discussion of history into personal insults, as far as I can tell. Or at least, it threatens to do so.  I&#039;m asking everyone to cease and desist from the personal stuff.  I&#039;ve long had a policy against discussions that end up with a lot of personal back-and-forth of that type.  I don&#039;t mind a little, but if it goes on too long I ask that people stop it.  Thanks.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ymarsakar and Richard Saunders:</p>
<p>This has devolved from a discussion of history into personal insults, as far as I can tell. Or at least, it threatens to do so.  I&#8217;m asking everyone to cease and desist from the personal stuff.  I&#8217;ve long had a policy against discussions that end up with a lot of personal back-and-forth of that type.  I don&#8217;t mind a little, but if it goes on too long I ask that people stop it.  Thanks.</p>
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		By: Richard Saunders		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[In all the movies and TV shows I saw about either McCarthy or the HCUA, there was never a mention of anti-gay witch hunts.  Up until the time I was in the Army (1970-1972) and long after, homosexuality &lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;was&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt; a security risk, because homosexuality was considered sinful, shameful, and its practitioners &lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;were&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt; easy prey for blackmailers.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In all the movies and TV shows I saw about either McCarthy or the HCUA, there was never a mention of anti-gay witch hunts.  Up until the time I was in the Army (1970-1972) and long after, homosexuality <i><b>was</b></i> a security risk, because homosexuality was considered sinful, shameful, and its practitioners <i><b>were</b></i> easy prey for blackmailers.</p>
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		By: Ymar Sakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2017/11/15/reflections-on-witch-trials/#comment-2284225</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Nov 2017 22:05:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Clinton has the same problem as a few serial killers. Meaning, the guy is a void and that&#039;s mostly because of a survival dissociation reflex that kicks in from dealing with his alcoholic father and family situation.

What this means is that the elohim and lesser spirits are able to influence or directly control people whose minds are not strongly connected to their heart or their bodies. This can be the result of sociopathy, childhood trauma, or just a simple choice in a ritual.

Human analysis would tend to create a normal curve of behaviors for William Clinton. But there will always be &quot;inconsistent&quot; behaviors, when they are taken over by what serial killers often refer to as &quot;powerful urges, instincts, or voices&quot;. Because modern human society doesn&#039;t have the vocabulary or the methods to calculate for spiritual influence of mortals, it&#039;s not a topic they have any expertise in analyzing, even though they discount what they have not investigated.

There is a strict hierarchy amongst demons, spirits, and elohim (gods). The powerful swallow up and oppress the weaklings. It&#039;s like an urban jungle hierarchy. 

The weak spirits can barely move things like a poltergeist. The strongest spirits can appear as angels/humans of light, equivalent to shapeshifters of legend.

The biggest mistake the Protestants, although Vatican&#039;s biggest mistake was something much earlier having to do with Apostolic authority and Constantine&#039;s successors making Christianity into a State Religion, was this: The Protestants build much of their lore upon the King James bible, and the KJB is based mostly off the Masoretic. Since the Septuagint was fragmented, the translators (they and the King were not prophets nor sent by the heavens to do anything) decided what is correct or incorrect.

They got it wrong.

Read Deuteronomy 32 and check the reference for why &quot;Sons of Israel&quot; is now translated as &quot;Sons of God&quot;. Sons of God refers to angels and gods. Jesus=Son of God. There&#039;s a plural form.  Sons of the Most High. Sons of the gods.

This is why demons knew that Jesus was a Son of God and why Yeshua kept them quiet. There were other &quot;Sons of God&quot; watching: they are known as the Watchers, they who do not sleep and who watch over humanity.

Paul refers to them as princes of darkness, thrones, and principalities, and powers.


The Protestants adopted monotheism because they believed the Early Christians were monotheistic. The term was a latter addition, by about 2-3 centuries after the crucifixion of the human known as The Christ. 

All the other gods referred to in the Bible, existed. That is why there is a commandment about not worshiping other gods AND also a commandment about idols. They were not the same thing. Logically, why would anyone write down a law that says &quot;do not worship things that don&#039;t exist&quot;. That would be rather broad, unenforceable, and also unjust. Is the Holy One of Israel unjust? We run into problems like that, with monotheism.

The Protestants, by preventing themselves from looking at the Divine Counsel as gods, looking only at the &quot;Trinity&quot; as gods (although the Holy Ghost isn&#039;t a god because it has no body...) creates a problem. Everything else of the spiritual world are either &quot;dead spirits&quot; or &quot;demons&quot;. That makes it very hard for believers to understand the spiritual unseen realm and the divine hierarchy as it actually stands.

They don&#039;t have the tools. They lack elementary education enough to do arithmetic and algebra, that&#039;s the modern metaphor and situation believers face.

Demons are small fry. They don&#039;t have a body and their shapeshifting powers are quite low if not non existent. They can only possess or influence human voids like serial killers.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clinton has the same problem as a few serial killers. Meaning, the guy is a void and that&#8217;s mostly because of a survival dissociation reflex that kicks in from dealing with his alcoholic father and family situation.</p>
<p>What this means is that the elohim and lesser spirits are able to influence or directly control people whose minds are not strongly connected to their heart or their bodies. This can be the result of sociopathy, childhood trauma, or just a simple choice in a ritual.</p>
<p>Human analysis would tend to create a normal curve of behaviors for William Clinton. But there will always be &#8220;inconsistent&#8221; behaviors, when they are taken over by what serial killers often refer to as &#8220;powerful urges, instincts, or voices&#8221;. Because modern human society doesn&#8217;t have the vocabulary or the methods to calculate for spiritual influence of mortals, it&#8217;s not a topic they have any expertise in analyzing, even though they discount what they have not investigated.</p>
<p>There is a strict hierarchy amongst demons, spirits, and elohim (gods). The powerful swallow up and oppress the weaklings. It&#8217;s like an urban jungle hierarchy. </p>
<p>The weak spirits can barely move things like a poltergeist. The strongest spirits can appear as angels/humans of light, equivalent to shapeshifters of legend.</p>
<p>The biggest mistake the Protestants, although Vatican&#8217;s biggest mistake was something much earlier having to do with Apostolic authority and Constantine&#8217;s successors making Christianity into a State Religion, was this: The Protestants build much of their lore upon the King James bible, and the KJB is based mostly off the Masoretic. Since the Septuagint was fragmented, the translators (they and the King were not prophets nor sent by the heavens to do anything) decided what is correct or incorrect.</p>
<p>They got it wrong.</p>
<p>Read Deuteronomy 32 and check the reference for why &#8220;Sons of Israel&#8221; is now translated as &#8220;Sons of God&#8221;. Sons of God refers to angels and gods. Jesus=Son of God. There&#8217;s a plural form.  Sons of the Most High. Sons of the gods.</p>
<p>This is why demons knew that Jesus was a Son of God and why Yeshua kept them quiet. There were other &#8220;Sons of God&#8221; watching: they are known as the Watchers, they who do not sleep and who watch over humanity.</p>
<p>Paul refers to them as princes of darkness, thrones, and principalities, and powers.</p>
<p>The Protestants adopted monotheism because they believed the Early Christians were monotheistic. The term was a latter addition, by about 2-3 centuries after the crucifixion of the human known as The Christ. </p>
<p>All the other gods referred to in the Bible, existed. That is why there is a commandment about not worshiping other gods AND also a commandment about idols. They were not the same thing. Logically, why would anyone write down a law that says &#8220;do not worship things that don&#8217;t exist&#8221;. That would be rather broad, unenforceable, and also unjust. Is the Holy One of Israel unjust? We run into problems like that, with monotheism.</p>
<p>The Protestants, by preventing themselves from looking at the Divine Counsel as gods, looking only at the &#8220;Trinity&#8221; as gods (although the Holy Ghost isn&#8217;t a god because it has no body&#8230;) creates a problem. Everything else of the spiritual world are either &#8220;dead spirits&#8221; or &#8220;demons&#8221;. That makes it very hard for believers to understand the spiritual unseen realm and the divine hierarchy as it actually stands.</p>
<p>They don&#8217;t have the tools. They lack elementary education enough to do arithmetic and algebra, that&#8217;s the modern metaphor and situation believers face.</p>
<p>Demons are small fry. They don&#8217;t have a body and their shapeshifting powers are quite low if not non existent. They can only possess or influence human voids like serial killers.</p>
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		By: Ymar Sakar		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Nov 2017 21:46:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The most famous witch trial to me is not Salem but the Vatican and Inquisition trial of Jean De Arc, transliterated into English as Joan of Arc.

There were two trials, and the first one has the transcript preserved. Sorta like Socrates&#039; trial when the Athenian assembly sentenced him to death by poison. It helps clarify exactly  what is wrong with humans and humanity, and how to manipulate humans into doing things they think are right... but are not.

https://ymarsakar.wordpress.com/2016/07/06/jean-de-arc/

I listed a summary of her achievements and the plot here.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The most famous witch trial to me is not Salem but the Vatican and Inquisition trial of Jean De Arc, transliterated into English as Joan of Arc.</p>
<p>There were two trials, and the first one has the transcript preserved. Sorta like Socrates&#8217; trial when the Athenian assembly sentenced him to death by poison. It helps clarify exactly  what is wrong with humans and humanity, and how to manipulate humans into doing things they think are right&#8230; but are not.</p>
<p><a href="https://ymarsakar.wordpress.com/2016/07/06/jean-de-arc/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://ymarsakar.wordpress.com/2016/07/06/jean-de-arc/</a></p>
<p>I listed a summary of her achievements and the plot here.</p>
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		By: Ymar Sakar		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Nov 2017 21:26:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;McCarthy used to be my second example, but there is now quite a bit of evidence that he was correct on most of his major points, if lamentably overzealous and underhanded in pursuing them.&lt;/b&gt;

McCarthy was a Senator. How was he responsible for the unAmerican witch trials of the House?

Something Leftist propaganda didn&#039;t inform you yet Aesop?

It&#039;s pretty easy to fall for the Left&#039;s rewriting of human history, even for the ones who think themselves capable or highly educated.

There&#039;s propaganda for stupid people and propaganda for smart people. There&#039;s a way to brainwash average humans, and a way to mind control smarter humans. Do you think yourself smarter than a god?

Without getting into why or whether gods supernaturally exist or not, people should have a natural reaction to that question. It gives them a context of where they stand.

&lt;b&gt;The “Lavender Scare” that he began went on for literally decades (long after McCarthy himself was embarrassed off the public stage) and resulted in thousands of people being fired and having their personal lives exposed to the public in the process, not for being political subversives, but just for being gay.&lt;/b&gt;

The Lavender Mafia still exists in the Vatican and its attached arms. That&#039;s why the Roman Catholics had the child abuse problem to begin with.

This all goes back to School of Darkness, and I and Art have linked here before. A book written by Bella Dodd, where she testified in front of several individuals that the Marxists had infiltrated hundreds of Leftist agents into the Vatican&#039;s seminary program. The one that produces priests, thus later bishops and archbishops who ended up protecting homosexual child hunters.

The Russians also had agents that would lure Americans into gay sex, video tape it, and use it as blackmail. McCarthy&#039;s worries about gays being moles, leaks, security risks, and traitors are logical. Sub cultures are always like that, they are not easy to infiltrate but they are easy to blackmail because they aren&#039;t the mainstream. So they won&#039;t go to the mainstream if you attack them. 

The women abused by Leftists didn&#039;t go to you boys or your state or your USA &quot;exceptional system&quot;. The reason is. You&#039;re not on their side, so why should they. They were part of the &quot;Leftist cause&quot;. If the Left doesn&#039;t want them to report sex abuse... they won&#039;t do it, especially as they won&#039;t be believed.

Any more than people believed Mccarthy&#039;s security concerns about Marxist agents and gays. We now know them as the Gaystapo, but that unit has always been active in the US for quite some decades now, either with the First Wave of Marxists after 1930s or the second wave after 1960s.

The US government purged the gays and thus avoided the Vatican problem. The USA did not purge the Marxists and now you are where you are. Pretty simple.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>McCarthy used to be my second example, but there is now quite a bit of evidence that he was correct on most of his major points, if lamentably overzealous and underhanded in pursuing them.</b></p>
<p>McCarthy was a Senator. How was he responsible for the unAmerican witch trials of the House?</p>
<p>Something Leftist propaganda didn&#8217;t inform you yet Aesop?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s pretty easy to fall for the Left&#8217;s rewriting of human history, even for the ones who think themselves capable or highly educated.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s propaganda for stupid people and propaganda for smart people. There&#8217;s a way to brainwash average humans, and a way to mind control smarter humans. Do you think yourself smarter than a god?</p>
<p>Without getting into why or whether gods supernaturally exist or not, people should have a natural reaction to that question. It gives them a context of where they stand.</p>
<p><b>The “Lavender Scare” that he began went on for literally decades (long after McCarthy himself was embarrassed off the public stage) and resulted in thousands of people being fired and having their personal lives exposed to the public in the process, not for being political subversives, but just for being gay.</b></p>
<p>The Lavender Mafia still exists in the Vatican and its attached arms. That&#8217;s why the Roman Catholics had the child abuse problem to begin with.</p>
<p>This all goes back to School of Darkness, and I and Art have linked here before. A book written by Bella Dodd, where she testified in front of several individuals that the Marxists had infiltrated hundreds of Leftist agents into the Vatican&#8217;s seminary program. The one that produces priests, thus later bishops and archbishops who ended up protecting homosexual child hunters.</p>
<p>The Russians also had agents that would lure Americans into gay sex, video tape it, and use it as blackmail. McCarthy&#8217;s worries about gays being moles, leaks, security risks, and traitors are logical. Sub cultures are always like that, they are not easy to infiltrate but they are easy to blackmail because they aren&#8217;t the mainstream. So they won&#8217;t go to the mainstream if you attack them. </p>
<p>The women abused by Leftists didn&#8217;t go to you boys or your state or your USA &#8220;exceptional system&#8221;. The reason is. You&#8217;re not on their side, so why should they. They were part of the &#8220;Leftist cause&#8221;. If the Left doesn&#8217;t want them to report sex abuse&#8230; they won&#8217;t do it, especially as they won&#8217;t be believed.</p>
<p>Any more than people believed Mccarthy&#8217;s security concerns about Marxist agents and gays. We now know them as the Gaystapo, but that unit has always been active in the US for quite some decades now, either with the First Wave of Marxists after 1930s or the second wave after 1960s.</p>
<p>The US government purged the gays and thus avoided the Vatican problem. The USA did not purge the Marxists and now you are where you are. Pretty simple.</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[Witch hunts have been recharacterized under liberal oversight.  Today, they are looking for Islamophobes, homophobes, racists, sexists, anti-immigrants, etc.  And witch hunts occur in trials by press in a court of public opinion, where there is a presumption of guilt until you resign.

Then there is the Twilight Fringe faith of the Pro-Choice Church led by female chauvinists, where a human life is presumed a clump of cells until deemed viable.

There has been much progress since the limited days of yesteryear, where conflation of logical domains was present, and today it is fully integrated in &quot;secular&quot; societies.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Witch hunts have been recharacterized under liberal oversight.  Today, they are looking for Islamophobes, homophobes, racists, sexists, anti-immigrants, etc.  And witch hunts occur in trials by press in a court of public opinion, where there is a presumption of guilt until you resign.</p>
<p>Then there is the Twilight Fringe faith of the Pro-Choice Church led by female chauvinists, where a human life is presumed a clump of cells until deemed viable.</p>
<p>There has been much progress since the limited days of yesteryear, where conflation of logical domains was present, and today it is fully integrated in &#8220;secular&#8221; societies.</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[Molly Brown Says: 
November 15th, 2017 at 9:45 pm
Amanda Knox.
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Just read the Wikipedia entry.  I remembered the case, but not all the details. Words are not adequate to the degree of incompetence and malevolence exhibited by the Italian prosecutors.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Molly Brown Says:<br />
November 15th, 2017 at 9:45 pm<br />
Amanda Knox.<br />
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Just read the Wikipedia entry.  I remembered the case, but not all the details. Words are not adequate to the degree of incompetence and malevolence exhibited by the Italian prosecutors.</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[Retail Lawyer:

That was the early days of investigations of allegations of mass child abuse (with or without elements of satanic abuse).  It was really the stone ages.  There were different models of how to interview children. Therapists---traditional child therapists---were working not from a forensic model but from a therapeutic model in which the idea was to get the child to talk about things that had been repressed or suppressed.  Therapists were used to doing things like leading the witness (except they didn&#039;t conceptualize the child as a witness, because they weren&#039;t working from a legal framework) that were a no-no in forensic interviewing.  Police were traditionally more antagonistic and challenging.  A lot of the early troubles (and Reno was around for this) were in trying to figure out a way to combine those two models in a way that didn&#039;t traumatize children, at the same time it encouraged them to not just tell their &quot;story,&quot; but to tell the truth. Some of the children were as young as two and three.

It really was a mess.  The learning curve was very very steep, and it took a while to come up with the proper protocols for the interrogations. There were many miscarriages of justice and wrongful imprisonments, and the children were not served in a lot of the cases, too.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Retail Lawyer:</p>
<p>That was the early days of investigations of allegations of mass child abuse (with or without elements of satanic abuse).  It was really the stone ages.  There were different models of how to interview children. Therapists&#8212;traditional child therapists&#8212;were working not from a forensic model but from a therapeutic model in which the idea was to get the child to talk about things that had been repressed or suppressed.  Therapists were used to doing things like leading the witness (except they didn&#8217;t conceptualize the child as a witness, because they weren&#8217;t working from a legal framework) that were a no-no in forensic interviewing.  Police were traditionally more antagonistic and challenging.  A lot of the early troubles (and Reno was around for this) were in trying to figure out a way to combine those two models in a way that didn&#8217;t traumatize children, at the same time it encouraged them to not just tell their &#8220;story,&#8221; but to tell the truth. Some of the children were as young as two and three.</p>
<p>It really was a mess.  The learning curve was very very steep, and it took a while to come up with the proper protocols for the interrogations. There were many miscarriages of justice and wrongful imprisonments, and the children were not served in a lot of the cases, too.</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[Amanda Knox.]]></description>
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					<description><![CDATA[I read Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds as an adult, mostly for the economic stories. (Highly recommend)  But the Salem witchcraft stories were studied in elementary school, and they really stuck with me.  I realized, in real time, they were happening again with the satanic children abuse trials, some of which were mentioned by Parker, above.  I just could not believe this was happening in my country!.  These trials were how Janet Reno came to national attention.  That was why she was Bill Clinton&#039;s 3rd choice for Attorney General.  I recall Hillary recommended her after his first two picks, while of the correct gender, had problems with nanny taxes, as I recall.  Reno was a spinster, so no nanny, no problems.  And she loved children.  Enough to build special safe space interrogation rooms where the children could be asked the same questions over and over until they got the answer correct.  
Just another reason to thank God every day that Hillary is not POTUS.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds as an adult, mostly for the economic stories. (Highly recommend)  But the Salem witchcraft stories were studied in elementary school, and they really stuck with me.  I realized, in real time, they were happening again with the satanic children abuse trials, some of which were mentioned by Parker, above.  I just could not believe this was happening in my country!.  These trials were how Janet Reno came to national attention.  That was why she was Bill Clinton&#8217;s 3rd choice for Attorney General.  I recall Hillary recommended her after his first two picks, while of the correct gender, had problems with nanny taxes, as I recall.  Reno was a spinster, so no nanny, no problems.  And she loved children.  Enough to build special safe space interrogation rooms where the children could be asked the same questions over and over until they got the answer correct.<br />
Just another reason to thank God every day that Hillary is not POTUS.</p>
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