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		By: Ymar Sakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2017/11/15/has-there-been/#comment-2284240</link>

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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;Kaddafi in Libya was taken down by the Arab Spring more or less. &lt;/b&gt;

No, he was gotten rid of by Americans. HRC+Hussein+NATO]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Kaddafi in Libya was taken down by the Arab Spring more or less. </b></p>
<p>No, he was gotten rid of by Americans. HRC+Hussein+NATO</p>
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		By: Ymar Sakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2017/11/15/has-there-been/#comment-2284237</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Nov 2017 22:19:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Rumors of wars (that may not have happened) and also actual wars.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rumors of wars (that may not have happened) and also actual wars.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2017/11/15/has-there-been/#comment-2283766</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Nov 2017 05:51:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[J.J. Says: 
November 15th, 2017 at 11:31 pm

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Thanks for the information.  I haven&#039;t studied Africa in depth, but that accords with what I have gleaned over the years.  I have some wonderful friends from Africa (Liberia), very hard-working and good people. We are glad they are here and not there, but still wish their country was a better place to live.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>J.J. Says:<br />
November 15th, 2017 at 11:31 pm</p>
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Thanks for the information.  I haven&#8217;t studied Africa in depth, but that accords with what I have gleaned over the years.  I have some wonderful friends from Africa (Liberia), very hard-working and good people. We are glad they are here and not there, but still wish their country was a better place to live.</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Nov 2017 05:50:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;[Mugabe] has destroyed the country with the help of his cronies.&lt;/i&gt;

Yeah, but he’s the right color, so... diversity.  Color diversity.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>[Mugabe] has destroyed the country with the help of his cronies.</i></p>
<p>Yeah, but he’s the right color, so&#8230; diversity.  Color diversity.</p>
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		By: n.n		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Nov 2017 05:49:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Mike K:

&lt;i&gt;He has destroyed the country with the help of his cronies.&lt;/i&gt;

Yeah, but he&#039;s the right color, so... progress.

The same thing happened in South Africa, where leftists opened abortion fields targeting the native white population, while the Mandela faction was recruited to suppress the dissent of native black competitors.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike K:</p>
<p><i>He has destroyed the country with the help of his cronies.</i></p>
<p>Yeah, but he&#8217;s the right color, so&#8230; progress.</p>
<p>The same thing happened in South Africa, where leftists opened abortion fields targeting the native white population, while the Mandela faction was recruited to suppress the dissent of native black competitors.</p>
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		By: J.J.		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Nov 2017 04:31:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[For a great story about the period when Rhodesia became Zimbabwe and beyond I recommend  &quot;Let&#039;s Not Go To the Dogs Tonight,&quot; by Alexandra Fuller. The country was an African breadbasket, but after the fall of Ian Smith&#039;s white rule, slowly became unable to feed its people. Mugabe is a Communist and we know how those policies work out for a country.

I&#039;m presently reading Thomas Sowell&#039;s book, &quot;Conquests and Cultures.&quot; He points out how the geography of Africa has had a deleterious affect on cultural progress there. It lacks good natural harbors and navigable rivers, which kept the tribes there isolated from trade and the cross pollination of ideas that comes with trade. When Arabs and Europeans began to venture into the &quot;Dark Continent&quot; in the 17th Century, they found little worth trading for except slaves.  The tribes were backward and easy prey for the slave traders. It was only in the late 1700s when European nations began to explore the continent that other commercial  possibilities were realized, which set off a race to colonize the whole of Sub Saharan Africa. Then, in the post WWII years all the European nations decided that the  African colonies were not  worth their trouble and slowly pulled out. 

I met plenty of smart, hard-working people when I visited Africa.  What I noticed was that they had not retained the European ideas of private property laws backed by courts and reasonably honest representative government. Their governments there are an mixture of big chief dictatorships, kleptocracies, and socialist/communist paradises. Most of these countries  could be at least moderately wealthy if they had honest governments and strong private property laws.  Those with abundant resources, such as oil in Nigeria, could be quite wealthy.  The chances of that happening in the next 100 years are quite small. All for lack of the institutions that we take for granted.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For a great story about the period when Rhodesia became Zimbabwe and beyond I recommend  &#8220;Let&#8217;s Not Go To the Dogs Tonight,&#8221; by Alexandra Fuller. The country was an African breadbasket, but after the fall of Ian Smith&#8217;s white rule, slowly became unable to feed its people. Mugabe is a Communist and we know how those policies work out for a country.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m presently reading Thomas Sowell&#8217;s book, &#8220;Conquests and Cultures.&#8221; He points out how the geography of Africa has had a deleterious affect on cultural progress there. It lacks good natural harbors and navigable rivers, which kept the tribes there isolated from trade and the cross pollination of ideas that comes with trade. When Arabs and Europeans began to venture into the &#8220;Dark Continent&#8221; in the 17th Century, they found little worth trading for except slaves.  The tribes were backward and easy prey for the slave traders. It was only in the late 1700s when European nations began to explore the continent that other commercial  possibilities were realized, which set off a race to colonize the whole of Sub Saharan Africa. Then, in the post WWII years all the European nations decided that the  African colonies were not  worth their trouble and slowly pulled out. </p>
<p>I met plenty of smart, hard-working people when I visited Africa.  What I noticed was that they had not retained the European ideas of private property laws backed by courts and reasonably honest representative government. Their governments there are an mixture of big chief dictatorships, kleptocracies, and socialist/communist paradises. Most of these countries  could be at least moderately wealthy if they had honest governments and strong private property laws.  Those with abundant resources, such as oil in Nigeria, could be quite wealthy.  The chances of that happening in the next 100 years are quite small. All for lack of the institutions that we take for granted.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2017/11/15/has-there-been/#comment-2283733</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Nov 2017 04:31:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The answer to Neo&#039;s question appears to be &quot;yes&quot; -
https://apnews.com/364d8aaefe1c49c8b2a6dcdc35a45efd/Zimbabwe-army-has-Mugabe,-wife-in-custody,-controls-capital

&quot;The series of whiplash events followed Mugabe’s firing last week of his deputy, which appeared to position the first lady, Grace Mugabe, to replace Emmerson Mnangagwa as one of the country’s two vice presidents at a party conference next month.

...
Grace Mugabe has been known as the leader of the G40, a group of Cabinet ministers and officials in their 40s and 50s &lt;b&gt;who are too young to have fought in Zimbabwe’s war to end white-minority rule in Rhodesia. &lt;/b&gt;When Mnangagwa was fired, the generals and war veterans felt they were being sidelined and took action to stop that, analysts say.

...
On Monday, the army commander made an unprecedented statement &#060;b.criticizing Mugabe for pushing aside veterans of the liberation war. The following day, the ruling party condemned the army leader for “treasonable conduct” and that evening the army sent armored personnel carriers into Harare and seized control of the state broadcaster and other strategic points, including Mugabe’s residence.&quot;

* *
Given the reasons for the coup, there is no indication that the situation will improve.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The answer to Neo&#8217;s question appears to be &#8220;yes&#8221; &#8211;<br />
<a href="https://apnews.com/364d8aaefe1c49c8b2a6dcdc35a45efd/Zimbabwe-army-has-Mugabe,-wife-in-custody,-controls-capital" rel="nofollow ugc">https://apnews.com/364d8aaefe1c49c8b2a6dcdc35a45efd/Zimbabwe-army-has-Mugabe,-wife-in-custody,-controls-capital</a></p>
<p>&#8220;The series of whiplash events followed Mugabe’s firing last week of his deputy, which appeared to position the first lady, Grace Mugabe, to replace Emmerson Mnangagwa as one of the country’s two vice presidents at a party conference next month.</p>
<p>&#8230;<br />
Grace Mugabe has been known as the leader of the G40, a group of Cabinet ministers and officials in their 40s and 50s <b>who are too young to have fought in Zimbabwe’s war to end white-minority rule in Rhodesia. </b>When Mnangagwa was fired, the generals and war veterans felt they were being sidelined and took action to stop that, analysts say.</p>
<p>&#8230;<br />
On Monday, the army commander made an unprecedented statement &lt;b.criticizing Mugabe for pushing aside veterans of the liberation war. The following day, the ruling party condemned the army leader for “treasonable conduct” and that evening the army sent armored personnel carriers into Harare and seized control of the state broadcaster and other strategic points, including Mugabe’s residence.&#8221;</p>
<p>* *<br />
Given the reasons for the coup, there is no indication that the situation will improve.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Nov 2017 03:12:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[TommyJay Says: 
November 15th, 2017 at 8:43 pm
The part of this story that I find interesting is the longevity of strongman dictatorships. 
* * *
 It helps to have a public that is willing to believe you when you blame someone else for the problems.
It also helps to have a large cadre of people willing to kill your opponents.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TommyJay Says:<br />
November 15th, 2017 at 8:43 pm<br />
The part of this story that I find interesting is the longevity of strongman dictatorships.<br />
* * *<br />
 It helps to have a public that is willing to believe you when you blame someone else for the problems.<br />
It also helps to have a large cadre of people willing to kill your opponents.</p>
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		By: TommyJay		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Nov 2017 01:43:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The part of this story that I find interesting is the longevity of strongman dictatorships.  My un-researched historical understanding is that they usually last a very long time.  So here it looks like old age was a factor.

What are the exceptions?  Kaddafi in Libya was taken down by the Arab Spring more or less.  Others?

When politicians make claims like &quot;the people will rise up&quot; or &quot;those dictatorships are so unstable... just give it time&quot; I always think BS.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The part of this story that I find interesting is the longevity of strongman dictatorships.  My un-researched historical understanding is that they usually last a very long time.  So here it looks like old age was a factor.</p>
<p>What are the exceptions?  Kaddafi in Libya was taken down by the Arab Spring more or less.  Others?</p>
<p>When politicians make claims like &#8220;the people will rise up&#8221; or &#8220;those dictatorships are so unstable&#8230; just give it time&#8221; I always think BS.</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Nov 2017 23:09:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Aesop:

I&#039;d go back to Kenya right now if I had a job there!  Great place, nice people. I still read two newsfeeds from Kenya daily.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aesop:</p>
<p>I&#8217;d go back to Kenya right now if I had a job there!  Great place, nice people. I still read two newsfeeds from Kenya daily.</p>
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