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		By: Annie		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2017/11/11/let-me-tell-you-a-story-about-corroborating-witnesses/#comment-2280316</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Annie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Nov 2017 23:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dave - what does Clinton not resigning really prove?  Did you think Clinton innocent?  You seem to imply you thought he was not by making that statement.

You choose to focus on the legalities but think back a bit - you probably were practically sure of both Clintons guilt of various unethical if not suspected illegal actions.  Yet you did&#039;t have real proof did you?  How did you come to that?  Or you were that rare exception who said you want to give them their due process before you judge them and didn&#039;t use any of that against them?

Alabama voters HAVE TO make a judgement about Moore without all the facts.  What is it going to be based on?  He has a big R on his hat, and he will receive some minimum partisan support. For the rest there is Character!  There is a long list easily found on Moore that bring his character into question.  We already know he doesn&#039;t respect the rule of law - so much for honor.  The only question in those Alabamans minds is how likely is Moore to have conducted himself this way given his character, and are the claims really completely without credibility given Bill Clinton, Bill Cosby, and the recent watershed of claims that were held back or if made were similarly dismissed for years? It was such a secret that WAPO knew just who to contact?  Remember, this former 14 yo girl wasn&#039;t coming forward.  It was known enough.  

Innocent or not these things are not easily dismissed.  It only adds to the shadow of his character.  Begs the question - Is he really worth the support?  His performance in the Senate will be more disruptive than in getting Trump&#039;s agenda going.  If he were really honorable and principled maybe.  He looks like yet another blustering grandstander.  Having another R in the Senate should be an add not a subtract.

Moore was already a lose lose proposition.  Doubling down doesn&#039;t help. Applie legalese and defend his questionable honor, just don&#039;t expect anyone outside your partisan bubble to give him any credibility.  Unless you happen to be that rare painite (you and Sean Hannity) who internally faithfully applies the same standards across the board the way you earnestly express them here and expect others to.  Until people learn to pick winners with good character and real principles the GOP will continue to lose wasting time and trust defending the undefendable.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave &#8211; what does Clinton not resigning really prove?  Did you think Clinton innocent?  You seem to imply you thought he was not by making that statement.</p>
<p>You choose to focus on the legalities but think back a bit &#8211; you probably were practically sure of both Clintons guilt of various unethical if not suspected illegal actions.  Yet you did&#8217;t have real proof did you?  How did you come to that?  Or you were that rare exception who said you want to give them their due process before you judge them and didn&#8217;t use any of that against them?</p>
<p>Alabama voters HAVE TO make a judgement about Moore without all the facts.  What is it going to be based on?  He has a big R on his hat, and he will receive some minimum partisan support. For the rest there is Character!  There is a long list easily found on Moore that bring his character into question.  We already know he doesn&#8217;t respect the rule of law &#8211; so much for honor.  The only question in those Alabamans minds is how likely is Moore to have conducted himself this way given his character, and are the claims really completely without credibility given Bill Clinton, Bill Cosby, and the recent watershed of claims that were held back or if made were similarly dismissed for years? It was such a secret that WAPO knew just who to contact?  Remember, this former 14 yo girl wasn&#8217;t coming forward.  It was known enough.  </p>
<p>Innocent or not these things are not easily dismissed.  It only adds to the shadow of his character.  Begs the question &#8211; Is he really worth the support?  His performance in the Senate will be more disruptive than in getting Trump&#8217;s agenda going.  If he were really honorable and principled maybe.  He looks like yet another blustering grandstander.  Having another R in the Senate should be an add not a subtract.</p>
<p>Moore was already a lose lose proposition.  Doubling down doesn&#8217;t help. Applie legalese and defend his questionable honor, just don&#8217;t expect anyone outside your partisan bubble to give him any credibility.  Unless you happen to be that rare painite (you and Sean Hannity) who internally faithfully applies the same standards across the board the way you earnestly express them here and expect others to.  Until people learn to pick winners with good character and real principles the GOP will continue to lose wasting time and trust defending the undefendable.</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2017/11/11/let-me-tell-you-a-story-about-corroborating-witnesses/#comment-2279621</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo-neocon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Nov 2017 18:14:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dave:

His knowledge or lack of knowledge of her age doesn&#039;t matter &lt;i&gt;legally&lt;/i&gt;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave:</p>
<p>His knowledge or lack of knowledge of her age doesn&#8217;t matter <i>legally</i>.</p>
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		By: Dave		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2017/11/11/let-me-tell-you-a-story-about-corroborating-witnesses/#comment-2279601</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dave]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Nov 2017 18:07:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Roy Moore was more honorable than 99% of the democrats, he honored the girl&#039;s request, he did what the left has been preaching for decades that no means no, tell that to Bill Clinton.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roy Moore was more honorable than 99% of the democrats, he honored the girl&#8217;s request, he did what the left has been preaching for decades that no means no, tell that to Bill Clinton.</p>
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		By: Dave		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2017/11/11/let-me-tell-you-a-story-about-corroborating-witnesses/#comment-2279591</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dave]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Nov 2017 18:04:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[many of the past politicians who stepped down before going through a court of law did so because the press was able to provide indisputable proof that the candidate would definitely be found guilty when get taken to court,  and the court process was merely ceremonial like Anthony Weiner.  Did Moore know the girl&#039;s age, you say his knowledge of her age doesn&#039;t matter but I do, if he immediately stopped their relationship right after learning her real age then that is definitely a reasonable defense that he wasn&#039;t taking advantage of her as a minor, he thought she was an adult and did the absolutely honorable and right thing stopping the act right after learning her true age, where is the crime?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>many of the past politicians who stepped down before going through a court of law did so because the press was able to provide indisputable proof that the candidate would definitely be found guilty when get taken to court,  and the court process was merely ceremonial like Anthony Weiner.  Did Moore know the girl&#8217;s age, you say his knowledge of her age doesn&#8217;t matter but I do, if he immediately stopped their relationship right after learning her real age then that is definitely a reasonable defense that he wasn&#8217;t taking advantage of her as a minor, he thought she was an adult and did the absolutely honorable and right thing stopping the act right after learning her true age, where is the crime?</p>
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		By: GRA		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[GRA]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Nov 2017 18:00:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Neo, you were in the family therapy sector for a number of years, how do you respond to different trauma reactions on the grounds of memory loss?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neo, you were in the family therapy sector for a number of years, how do you respond to different trauma reactions on the grounds of memory loss?</p>
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		By: Dave		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2017/11/11/let-me-tell-you-a-story-about-corroborating-witnesses/#comment-2279580</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dave]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Nov 2017 17:57:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[his candidate to win no matter what it takes to take down the other guy, democrats are garbage]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>his candidate to win no matter what it takes to take down the other guy, democrats are garbage</p>
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		By: Dave		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2017/11/11/let-me-tell-you-a-story-about-corroborating-witnesses/#comment-2279577</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dave]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Nov 2017 17:56:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Due process is everything because you are asking someone to step down based on something that has yet been proven to be true.  This due process is not court due process, this due process is rather someone should able to have his side of story heard or we just get every candidate kick out because of some unproven thing that happened 40 years ago.   Did Bill Clinton resign because of accusations against him?  Did  John McCain resign because of accusations against him.  Due process is not a matter is said by some stupid people who wants]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Due process is everything because you are asking someone to step down based on something that has yet been proven to be true.  This due process is not court due process, this due process is rather someone should able to have his side of story heard or we just get every candidate kick out because of some unproven thing that happened 40 years ago.   Did Bill Clinton resign because of accusations against him?  Did  John McCain resign because of accusations against him.  Due process is not a matter is said by some stupid people who wants</p>
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		By: Annie		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2017/11/11/let-me-tell-you-a-story-about-corroborating-witnesses/#comment-2279480</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Annie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Nov 2017 17:10:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Due process has nothing to do with it - this is not a court case.  Focusing on the legalistic is a misdirection.  The Clintons mastered being legalistic.  Hillary&#039;s career was one long series of these misdirections - worked for her in 2016?  Clinton Foundation? Where&#039;s the proof?  What about her rights to due process and dignity?  People will go to the polls and will have to make a judgement one way or another, lacking clear-cut evidence.  

Clinton found out character is an important factor, and Moore&#039;s is one where these accusations tend to stick.  Even Breitbart has a tough time dismissing the 14 year old&#039;s case as one timed by her to inflict maximum damage - she was not even seeking to make her story public.  Clintons perfected demonizing and questioning the timing and motives of accusers - &quot;Drag a hundred dollar bill through a trailer park&quot; Were you fooled then by this?  Or did you give the accuser the benefit of the doubt?  Why?
http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2017/11/12/exclusive-mother-roy-moore-accuser-washington-post-reporters-convinced-daughter-go-public/

Alabama is strongly Republican so Moore&#039;s lucky may still get elected on a partisan basis, but don&#039;t expect he wins by a wide margin.  Expect many who were already skeptical on Moore to definitely stay home, and the Democrats to be energized.

So he gets to be Senator, but what will that accomplish?  One more vote finally moving Trump&#039;s big limbo agenda forward?  Or, one more hold out and grand stander?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Due process has nothing to do with it &#8211; this is not a court case.  Focusing on the legalistic is a misdirection.  The Clintons mastered being legalistic.  Hillary&#8217;s career was one long series of these misdirections &#8211; worked for her in 2016?  Clinton Foundation? Where&#8217;s the proof?  What about her rights to due process and dignity?  People will go to the polls and will have to make a judgement one way or another, lacking clear-cut evidence.  </p>
<p>Clinton found out character is an important factor, and Moore&#8217;s is one where these accusations tend to stick.  Even Breitbart has a tough time dismissing the 14 year old&#8217;s case as one timed by her to inflict maximum damage &#8211; she was not even seeking to make her story public.  Clintons perfected demonizing and questioning the timing and motives of accusers &#8211; &#8220;Drag a hundred dollar bill through a trailer park&#8221; Were you fooled then by this?  Or did you give the accuser the benefit of the doubt?  Why?<br />
<a href="http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2017/11/12/exclusive-mother-roy-moore-accuser-washington-post-reporters-convinced-daughter-go-public/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2017/11/12/exclusive-mother-roy-moore-accuser-washington-post-reporters-convinced-daughter-go-public/</a></p>
<p>Alabama is strongly Republican so Moore&#8217;s lucky may still get elected on a partisan basis, but don&#8217;t expect he wins by a wide margin.  Expect many who were already skeptical on Moore to definitely stay home, and the Democrats to be energized.</p>
<p>So he gets to be Senator, but what will that accomplish?  One more vote finally moving Trump&#8217;s big limbo agenda forward?  Or, one more hold out and grand stander?</p>
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		By: Frog		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Frog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Nov 2017 15:23:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Always follow the money, no?
The Washington Post is now 100% owned by Jeff Bezos, one of the three richest men in America, with a net worth of something like $93 Billion and growing daily.
So the WaPo is now his mouthpiece. The WaPo bottom line  
and the size of its readership simply do not any longer matter.
Recall also that Bezos has purchased the old Textile Museum buildings in DC, 25,000 square feet of future residence.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Always follow the money, no?<br />
The Washington Post is now 100% owned by Jeff Bezos, one of the three richest men in America, with a net worth of something like $93 Billion and growing daily.<br />
So the WaPo is now his mouthpiece. The WaPo bottom line<br />
and the size of its readership simply do not any longer matter.<br />
Recall also that Bezos has purchased the old Textile Museum buildings in DC, 25,000 square feet of future residence.</p>
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		By: Dave		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2017/11/11/let-me-tell-you-a-story-about-corroborating-witnesses/#comment-2278888</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dave]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Nov 2017 07:39:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Defending a man’s rights to due process and a chance to defend his dignity while being suspicious of an accusation full of question marks with dubious timing that clearly demonstrated political motivations, is not condoning sexual assault against minors.  Only liberals and their useful idiots would often bring up stupid equivalences to discredit legitimate concerns from the other side like that.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Defending a man’s rights to due process and a chance to defend his dignity while being suspicious of an accusation full of question marks with dubious timing that clearly demonstrated political motivations, is not condoning sexual assault against minors.  Only liberals and their useful idiots would often bring up stupid equivalences to discredit legitimate concerns from the other side like that.</p>
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