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		By: GRA		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Oct 2017 04:32:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[As someone who&#039;s surrounded by &quot;it&#039;s a basic dignity&quot; in terms of rights rhetoric aka give the poor and maligned everything  I find this amusing.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As someone who&#8217;s surrounded by &#8220;it&#8217;s a basic dignity&#8221; in terms of rights rhetoric aka give the poor and maligned everything  I find this amusing.</p>
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		By: Gordon		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gordon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Oct 2017 21:46:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Mr Frank is right. -20 does keep the riff-raff out, away, whatever. That&#039;s why they move to warmer climes in the winter, from Minneapolis or Fargo. But Minneapolis, at least, does have a homeless infrastructure now. The downtown skyway system, with an entrance just a block from the largest shelter, provides a very large place to spend the day. Most do not try to camp out in the winter, but some do. When it gets really cold--below zero--there are emergency shelters that open up.

Minneapolis is not San Francisco, not yet, although many dream of making it so. The two cities are similar in size and population.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr Frank is right. -20 does keep the riff-raff out, away, whatever. That&#8217;s why they move to warmer climes in the winter, from Minneapolis or Fargo. But Minneapolis, at least, does have a homeless infrastructure now. The downtown skyway system, with an entrance just a block from the largest shelter, provides a very large place to spend the day. Most do not try to camp out in the winter, but some do. When it gets really cold&#8211;below zero&#8211;there are emergency shelters that open up.</p>
<p>Minneapolis is not San Francisco, not yet, although many dream of making it so. The two cities are similar in size and population.</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Oct 2017 20:37:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[steve walsh:

Oh, I can understand not wanting to read it.  But I had to follow where the story took me.

About six or seven years ago I was in San Francisco in some tourist area (I think near Ghiradelli Square) and a guy about ten or fifteen feet from me pulled down his pants, squatted, and defecated on the pavement.  There were crowds of people around; nothing happened.  I wondered for a moment if I really saw what I saw.  I did; it happened. That was my first clue about all of this.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>steve walsh:</p>
<p>Oh, I can understand not wanting to read it.  But I had to follow where the story took me.</p>
<p>About six or seven years ago I was in San Francisco in some tourist area (I think near Ghiradelli Square) and a guy about ten or fifteen feet from me pulled down his pants, squatted, and defecated on the pavement.  There were crowds of people around; nothing happened.  I wondered for a moment if I really saw what I saw.  I did; it happened. That was my first clue about all of this.</p>
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		By: Gringo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gringo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Oct 2017 20:36:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[While the Indian government has a program to eliminate outdoor rural defecation by 2019, it is finding out that it is easier said than done.&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/india-rejects-the-toilet-how-government-sanitation-drives-have-failed-to-sway-those-who-believe-10466041.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;India&#039;s trouble with toilets: Government sanitation drives fail to sway those who believe going outdoors is more wholesome.&lt;/a&gt;    
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt; In the lanes of Parvar Poorab, a peaceful North Indian village set amid monsoon-soaked fields, Savita stares suspiciously at the concrete lavatory outside her home. “The government employee who constructed it told me we had to use it now and we shouldn’t go in the open”, says the slight and sombre 22-year-old who goes by only one name.

“But it’s better to go in the open. The pit is very small and will fill up very soon. We only use it in an emergency or at night. I like going outside.”

Millions of Indians like Savita continue to defecate in the open despite having a household toilet, frustrating government hopes to wean more than 600 million of its citizens off the practice and questioning the assumptions behind its mass toilet-building programme.

In rural India, a strong cultural resistance to the build-up and disposal of excrement, and the view that going outdoors is more wholesome, is leading to rejection of the new latrines.

The most pressing reason to banish the practice, as Prime Minister Narendra Modi has vowed to do by 2019, is its effect on public health — spreading infectious diseases and stunting children’s growth by circulating faecal bacteria in the environment.

In this densely packed country, even people using toilets will still be exposed to germs unless everyone in the community abandons their routine of trudging to the nearest field, pond or railway track to relieve themselves.  &lt;/i&gt; &lt;/blockquote&gt; Which illustrates the difference between a democracy and a totalitarian regime. Mao&#039;s China followed his Four Pests campaign, but found out that contrary to what Mao knew, sparrows were not a pest. Sparrows were actually quite useful in eating insect pests. Whooda thunk it?  Similarly, Mao&#039;s being able to get 550  million rural Chinese to follow his cockamamie ideas on how to increase agricultural production resulted in the death of some 30 million.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While the Indian government has a program to eliminate outdoor rural defecation by 2019, it is finding out that it is easier said than done.<a href="http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/india-rejects-the-toilet-how-government-sanitation-drives-have-failed-to-sway-those-who-believe-10466041.html" rel="nofollow">India&#8217;s trouble with toilets: Government sanitation drives fail to sway those who believe going outdoors is more wholesome.</a>    </p>
<blockquote><p><i> In the lanes of Parvar Poorab, a peaceful North Indian village set amid monsoon-soaked fields, Savita stares suspiciously at the concrete lavatory outside her home. “The government employee who constructed it told me we had to use it now and we shouldn’t go in the open”, says the slight and sombre 22-year-old who goes by only one name.</p>
<p>“But it’s better to go in the open. The pit is very small and will fill up very soon. We only use it in an emergency or at night. I like going outside.”</p>
<p>Millions of Indians like Savita continue to defecate in the open despite having a household toilet, frustrating government hopes to wean more than 600 million of its citizens off the practice and questioning the assumptions behind its mass toilet-building programme.</p>
<p>In rural India, a strong cultural resistance to the build-up and disposal of excrement, and the view that going outdoors is more wholesome, is leading to rejection of the new latrines.</p>
<p>The most pressing reason to banish the practice, as Prime Minister Narendra Modi has vowed to do by 2019, is its effect on public health — spreading infectious diseases and stunting children’s growth by circulating faecal bacteria in the environment.</p>
<p>In this densely packed country, even people using toilets will still be exposed to germs unless everyone in the community abandons their routine of trudging to the nearest field, pond or railway track to relieve themselves.  </i> </p></blockquote>
<p> Which illustrates the difference between a democracy and a totalitarian regime. Mao&#8217;s China followed his Four Pests campaign, but found out that contrary to what Mao knew, sparrows were not a pest. Sparrows were actually quite useful in eating insect pests. Whooda thunk it?  Similarly, Mao&#8217;s being able to get 550  million rural Chinese to follow his cockamamie ideas on how to increase agricultural production resulted in the death of some 30 million.</p>
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		By: Gringo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gringo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Oct 2017 20:10:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In 1990, India was slightly better than Pakistan in rural coverage of improved sanitation facilities. 

 &lt;b&gt;improved sanitation facilities, rural (% of rural population with access)&lt;/b&gt;1990 and 2015
India 5.7%  28.5%
Pakistan 4.9% 51.1%

Pakistan made up the difference- and more. 

World Bank link in previous comment.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In 1990, India was slightly better than Pakistan in rural coverage of improved sanitation facilities. </p>
<p> <b>improved sanitation facilities, rural (% of rural population with access)</b>1990 and 2015<br />
India 5.7%  28.5%<br />
Pakistan 4.9% 51.1%</p>
<p>Pakistan made up the difference- and more. </p>
<p>World Bank link in previous comment.</p>
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		By: Gringo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gringo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Oct 2017 19:47:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[huxley
&lt;i&gt;Several years ago I ran into a health comparison of India and Pakistan. Somewhat to my surprise Pakistan did better than India and it boiled down to the Islamic vs Hindu strictures on outdoor defecation.&lt;/i&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://data.worldbank.org/data-catalog/world-development-indicators&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;World Bank: World Development Indicators&lt;/a&gt; definitely agree with your point about outdoor defecation:  for &lt;i&gt;improved sanitation facilities&lt;/i&gt; coverage in 2015, we have 63.5 % for Pakistan versus 39.6% for India. However, in 1990 the difference  in 1990 between Pakistan and India for &lt;i&gt;improved sanitation facilities&lt;/i&gt; was 23.7% coverage for Pakistan versus 16.8% coverage for India. That  indicates to me that religious strictures have less to do with the difference today than different government policies.
In addition, most of the health indicators the World Bank uses point to a slight advantage for India.

&lt;b&gt;Country Name	Indicator Name	2015&lt;/b&gt;
India	&lt;b&gt;Mortality rate, under-5 (per 1,000 live births)	&lt;/b&gt;47.7
Pakistan	&lt;b&gt;Mortality rate, under-5 (per 1,000 live births)	&lt;/b&gt;81.1
India	&lt;b&gt;Mortality rate, infant (per 1,000 live births)	&lt;/b&gt;37.9
Pakistan	&lt;b&gt;Mortality rate, infant (per 1,000 live births)&lt;/b&gt;65.8
Pakistan	&lt;b&gt;Life expectancy at birth, total (years)	&lt;/b&gt;66.4
India	&lt;b&gt;Life expectancy at birth, total (years)&lt;/b&gt;	68.3
Pakistan	&lt;b&gt;Improved water source (% of population with access)&lt;/b&gt;91.4
India	&lt;b&gt;Improved water source (% of population with access)	&lt;/b&gt;94.1
Pakistan	&lt;b&gt;Improved sanitation facilities (% of population with access)	&lt;/b&gt;63.5
India	&lt;b&gt;Improved sanitation facilities (% of population with access)	&lt;/b&gt;39.6
Pakistan	&lt;b&gt;Health expenditure, total (% of GDP)&lt;/b&gt; 2.6
India	&lt;b&gt;Health expenditure, total (% of GDP)&lt;/b&gt; 4.7
Pakistan	&lt;b&gt;Fertility rate, total (births per woman)	&lt;/b&gt;3.6
India	&lt;b&gt;Fertility rate, total (births per woman)	&lt;/b&gt;2.4
India	&lt;b&gt;Death rate, crude (per 1,000 people)	&lt;/b&gt;7.3
Pakistan	&lt;b&gt;Death rate, crude (per 1,000 people)&lt;/b&gt;	7.3]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>huxley<br />
<i>Several years ago I ran into a health comparison of India and Pakistan. Somewhat to my surprise Pakistan did better than India and it boiled down to the Islamic vs Hindu strictures on outdoor defecation.</i></p>
<p><a href="http://data.worldbank.org/data-catalog/world-development-indicators" rel="nofollow">World Bank: World Development Indicators</a> definitely agree with your point about outdoor defecation:  for <i>improved sanitation facilities</i> coverage in 2015, we have 63.5 % for Pakistan versus 39.6% for India. However, in 1990 the difference  in 1990 between Pakistan and India for <i>improved sanitation facilities</i> was 23.7% coverage for Pakistan versus 16.8% coverage for India. That  indicates to me that religious strictures have less to do with the difference today than different government policies.<br />
In addition, most of the health indicators the World Bank uses point to a slight advantage for India.</p>
<p><b>Country Name	Indicator Name	2015</b><br />
India	<b>Mortality rate, under-5 (per 1,000 live births)	</b>47.7<br />
Pakistan	<b>Mortality rate, under-5 (per 1,000 live births)	</b>81.1<br />
India	<b>Mortality rate, infant (per 1,000 live births)	</b>37.9<br />
Pakistan	<b>Mortality rate, infant (per 1,000 live births)</b>65.8<br />
Pakistan	<b>Life expectancy at birth, total (years)	</b>66.4<br />
India	<b>Life expectancy at birth, total (years)</b>	68.3<br />
Pakistan	<b>Improved water source (% of population with access)</b>91.4<br />
India	<b>Improved water source (% of population with access)	</b>94.1<br />
Pakistan	<b>Improved sanitation facilities (% of population with access)	</b>63.5<br />
India	<b>Improved sanitation facilities (% of population with access)	</b>39.6<br />
Pakistan	<b>Health expenditure, total (% of GDP)</b> 2.6<br />
India	<b>Health expenditure, total (% of GDP)</b> 4.7<br />
Pakistan	<b>Fertility rate, total (births per woman)	</b>3.6<br />
India	<b>Fertility rate, total (births per woman)	</b>2.4<br />
India	<b>Death rate, crude (per 1,000 people)	</b>7.3<br />
Pakistan	<b>Death rate, crude (per 1,000 people)</b>	7.3</p>
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		By: Mr. Frank		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Oct 2017 18:59:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A friend of mine used to live in Fargo,ND. He was fond of saying twenty below keeps the riff raff out.]]></description>
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		By: DNW		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DNW]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Oct 2017 16:43:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;In the Union Square area of San Francisco, the heart of the upscale shopping area, you must now step over not only drunk and drugged people laying on the street, but over the mounds of human feces left everywhere. And for this you get to pay some of the highest housing costs in the nation. The street poles are falling over, eroded by a constant stream of human urine. Special paint is being used to make it splash back on people who pick public walls to piss on.

Welcome to the People’s Republic of California.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

But, but, but ... there&#039;s so much need!!!!!

From each according to his ability, to each according to the dictates of the postmodernist bureaucrat: now that&#039;s real social and moral progress.

Your retrograde mentality has misled you into assuming that you have the same rights to life and association which they - the victims of life, or of themselves which amounts to the same thing - do. Not so. Some exist to consume, some, like you, to be consumed. You are a mere dish on the banquet table of leftist sensibilities. The sooner you realize that the happier you will be.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>&#8220;In the Union Square area of San Francisco, the heart of the upscale shopping area, you must now step over not only drunk and drugged people laying on the street, but over the mounds of human feces left everywhere. And for this you get to pay some of the highest housing costs in the nation. The street poles are falling over, eroded by a constant stream of human urine. Special paint is being used to make it splash back on people who pick public walls to piss on.</p>
<p>Welcome to the People’s Republic of California.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>But, but, but &#8230; there&#8217;s so much need!!!!!</p>
<p>From each according to his ability, to each according to the dictates of the postmodernist bureaucrat: now that&#8217;s real social and moral progress.</p>
<p>Your retrograde mentality has misled you into assuming that you have the same rights to life and association which they &#8211; the victims of life, or of themselves which amounts to the same thing &#8211; do. Not so. Some exist to consume, some, like you, to be consumed. You are a mere dish on the banquet table of leftist sensibilities. The sooner you realize that the happier you will be.</p>
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		By: John in Palm Springs		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John in Palm Springs]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Oct 2017 16:17:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This is a statewide problem in California. San Diego, LA, San Francisco and yes, even Palm Springs is awash in homeless people, most of them mentally ill/self-medicating with drugs and alcohol and literally invading the city. They can be found in your back yard, condo swimming pools and hot tubs. The progressive government of Palm Springs moved the only homeless center to the only black neighborhood in town; fortunately the residents rebelled and the city had to back down. Tell me again how colorblind our liberal friends are.

In the Union Square area of San Francisco, the heart of the upscale shopping area, you must now step over not only drunk and drugged people laying on the street, but over the mounds of human feces left everywhere. And for this you get to pay some of the highest housing costs in the nation. The street poles are falling over, eroded by a constant stream of human urine. Special paint is being used to make it splash back on people who pick public walls to piss on. 

Welcome to the People&#039;s Republic of California.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a statewide problem in California. San Diego, LA, San Francisco and yes, even Palm Springs is awash in homeless people, most of them mentally ill/self-medicating with drugs and alcohol and literally invading the city. They can be found in your back yard, condo swimming pools and hot tubs. The progressive government of Palm Springs moved the only homeless center to the only black neighborhood in town; fortunately the residents rebelled and the city had to back down. Tell me again how colorblind our liberal friends are.</p>
<p>In the Union Square area of San Francisco, the heart of the upscale shopping area, you must now step over not only drunk and drugged people laying on the street, but over the mounds of human feces left everywhere. And for this you get to pay some of the highest housing costs in the nation. The street poles are falling over, eroded by a constant stream of human urine. Special paint is being used to make it splash back on people who pick public walls to piss on. </p>
<p>Welcome to the People&#8217;s Republic of California.</p>
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		By: steve walsh		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[steve walsh]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Oct 2017 16:15:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sorry Neo, but I find this story so abhorrent and disgusting that I just can&#039;t read the entire thing.

I was in the SF Bay area recently and witnessed several of the small tent cities built under various spots along the freeway, in both SF and Oakland. I also observed a marked increase in the number of homeless people meandering the streets of the city. It was interesting to listen to the clueless musings of the locals as to why and how the situation has gotten so much worse in recent years.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry Neo, but I find this story so abhorrent and disgusting that I just can&#8217;t read the entire thing.</p>
<p>I was in the SF Bay area recently and witnessed several of the small tent cities built under various spots along the freeway, in both SF and Oakland. I also observed a marked increase in the number of homeless people meandering the streets of the city. It was interesting to listen to the clueless musings of the locals as to why and how the situation has gotten so much worse in recent years.</p>
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