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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2017/10/07/love-and-trouble/#comment-2265291</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Oct 2017 05:10:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The &quot;turning on&quot; phenomenon is not restricted to women. 
I still vividly remember watching it happen with Gene Kelly. 
In those of his films most familiar to me (Singing in the Rain, Brigadoon, and the less-often watched Anchors Aweigh, On the Town) he comes across as a reasonably good-looking, talented dude, but not as -- pardon the expression -- a &quot;stud muffin.&quot;
However, there is a scene in &quot;American in Paris&quot; where he isn&#039;t even singing or dancing, just leaning against the wall next to the open door of the leading lady&#039;s apartment, just talking, dressed in a white tee-shirt that showed his muscular arms, and it was suddenly a case of &quot;whoa! who &lt;em&gt;is &lt;/em&gt;this guy?!&quot;
Very powerful, and I&#039;m not even sure the director was aware of the impact.
Maybe it was just me.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;turning on&#8221; phenomenon is not restricted to women.<br />
I still vividly remember watching it happen with Gene Kelly.<br />
In those of his films most familiar to me (Singing in the Rain, Brigadoon, and the less-often watched Anchors Aweigh, On the Town) he comes across as a reasonably good-looking, talented dude, but not as &#8212; pardon the expression &#8212; a &#8220;stud muffin.&#8221;<br />
However, there is a scene in &#8220;American in Paris&#8221; where he isn&#8217;t even singing or dancing, just leaning against the wall next to the open door of the leading lady&#8217;s apartment, just talking, dressed in a white tee-shirt that showed his muscular arms, and it was suddenly a case of &#8220;whoa! who <em>is </em>this guy?!&#8221;<br />
Very powerful, and I&#8217;m not even sure the director was aware of the impact.<br />
Maybe it was just me.</p>
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		By: arfldgrs		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2017/10/07/love-and-trouble/#comment-2264754</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Oct 2017 18:33:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;that habit of self-presentation extends easily into answering political questionnaires.  What they are doing in answering the questionnaires is normal for them and is probably perceived as virtuous.  It requires no special pretence or effort. It is normal. It is a habit to them to misrepresent their aims and thoughts.  — John Jay Ray&lt;/b&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>that habit of self-presentation extends easily into answering political questionnaires.  What they are doing in answering the questionnaires is normal for them and is probably perceived as virtuous.  It requires no special pretence or effort. It is normal. It is a habit to them to misrepresent their aims and thoughts.  — John Jay Ray</b></p>
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		By: artemptydgr		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2017/10/07/love-and-trouble/#comment-2264670</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Oct 2017 12:01:35 +0000</pubDate>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kolontai</p>
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		By: Mike K		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2017/10/07/love-and-trouble/#comment-2264543</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Oct 2017 01:28:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;At one point during the film the male star said something teasing to the woman, and she turned to him and “turned on the charm.” I was stunned. When I talked to her she was a somewhat mousy woman with no sex appeal at all. But when she turned on the charm with the man the whole room lit up, and even I could feel it. I don’t think there was a man in that room who didn’t feel a little warmth in his loins when she did that.&lt;/i&gt;

I tread something similar about Marilyn Monroe who demonstrated to a friend how she could &quot;turn on&quot; the sex appeal.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>At one point during the film the male star said something teasing to the woman, and she turned to him and “turned on the charm.” I was stunned. When I talked to her she was a somewhat mousy woman with no sex appeal at all. But when she turned on the charm with the man the whole room lit up, and even I could feel it. I don’t think there was a man in that room who didn’t feel a little warmth in his loins when she did that.</i></p>
<p>I tread something similar about Marilyn Monroe who demonstrated to a friend how she could &#8220;turn on&#8221; the sex appeal.</p>
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		By: Richard Aubrey		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2017/10/07/love-and-trouble/#comment-2264518</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Oct 2017 00:36:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If you look in the dictionary next to &quot;misses the obvious&quot;, you&#039;ll find my picture.

I never met, nor sensed that i recall, anything like this.  The people I knew who had legions hanging around them were exceptionally and exclusively very, very good looking.
Some women I knew dialed it back in dress, hair, makeup, and bearing. And they were careful to be barely civil to guys they didn&#039;t know well.
One woman I knew working in a field project had a self-presentation in public of &quot;don&#039;t even think it&quot;.  She was friendly once she was sure you weren&#039;t going to pester her, and possibly relieved and thus even more cheerful and personable.  But even in a meeting of colleagues....there it was.
I knew one guy, not at all prepossessing, who was on his fourth divorce in about thirty years.  He had persistence, but it took some effort.  Nobody was going after him.
I believe people can turn it on wrt some one they wish to impress.  But broadcast....   Never seen it.  If I had felt something, it would have been explained by the other&#039;s physical attractiveness.

Still, see Crabb, &quot;Men, Women, Enjoying the Difference&quot;
One item he discusses in detail--others pass by without much emphasis--is that if a woman treats her/a man as if she trusts and appreciates him, he&#039;ll be a bigger man.  More assertive, problem solving, take care of business, protective, better in bed, etc.
If not, whatever the opposite looks like, he&#039;ll be a feckless wimp sitting uselessly on the sofa dreaming things that would make a pron producer blush.
The guy who is in the first case is going to feel some version of ten feet tall and bullet proof and...he&#039;ll like it.
Maybe that&#039;s it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you look in the dictionary next to &#8220;misses the obvious&#8221;, you&#8217;ll find my picture.</p>
<p>I never met, nor sensed that i recall, anything like this.  The people I knew who had legions hanging around them were exceptionally and exclusively very, very good looking.<br />
Some women I knew dialed it back in dress, hair, makeup, and bearing. And they were careful to be barely civil to guys they didn&#8217;t know well.<br />
One woman I knew working in a field project had a self-presentation in public of &#8220;don&#8217;t even think it&#8221;.  She was friendly once she was sure you weren&#8217;t going to pester her, and possibly relieved and thus even more cheerful and personable.  But even in a meeting of colleagues&#8230;.there it was.<br />
I knew one guy, not at all prepossessing, who was on his fourth divorce in about thirty years.  He had persistence, but it took some effort.  Nobody was going after him.<br />
I believe people can turn it on wrt some one they wish to impress.  But broadcast&#8230;.   Never seen it.  If I had felt something, it would have been explained by the other&#8217;s physical attractiveness.</p>
<p>Still, see Crabb, &#8220;Men, Women, Enjoying the Difference&#8221;<br />
One item he discusses in detail&#8211;others pass by without much emphasis&#8211;is that if a woman treats her/a man as if she trusts and appreciates him, he&#8217;ll be a bigger man.  More assertive, problem solving, take care of business, protective, better in bed, etc.<br />
If not, whatever the opposite looks like, he&#8217;ll be a feckless wimp sitting uselessly on the sofa dreaming things that would make a pron producer blush.<br />
The guy who is in the first case is going to feel some version of ten feet tall and bullet proof and&#8230;he&#8217;ll like it.<br />
Maybe that&#8217;s it.</p>
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		By: ErisGuy		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2017/10/07/love-and-trouble/#comment-2264514</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Oct 2017 00:07:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Toxoplasma gondii or something similar?

I knew a woman who initiated sex with everyone and had sex with anyone willing. I found her creepy and irritating before I learned that about her. I wasn’t interested, she reminded me of a prostitute who’d accosted me on 6th street one evening. Her touch seemed actually slimy.

Afterwards I heard stories from everyone telling about how someone else had had sex with her, but omitted their own encounters. Hard leftist, of course. After she ran out of lovers, she moved to another city to start over.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Toxoplasma gondii or something similar?</p>
<p>I knew a woman who initiated sex with everyone and had sex with anyone willing. I found her creepy and irritating before I learned that about her. I wasn’t interested, she reminded me of a prostitute who’d accosted me on 6th street one evening. Her touch seemed actually slimy.</p>
<p>Afterwards I heard stories from everyone telling about how someone else had had sex with her, but omitted their own encounters. Hard leftist, of course. After she ran out of lovers, she moved to another city to start over.</p>
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		By: vanderleun		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2017/10/07/love-and-trouble/#comment-2264512</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Oct 2017 23:48:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[She&#039;s an &quot;It Girl&quot; as they used to say. Well if you look at a selection photos of her -- and you know -- then, if you&#039;re a man you&#039;ll know:

&quot;She didn&#039;t look like no high-school sweetheart.
She was no obvious beauty queen.
But she had something every man knows,
That fire that&#039;s felt not seen.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>She&#8217;s an &#8220;It Girl&#8221; as they used to say. Well if you look at a selection photos of her &#8212; and you know &#8212; then, if you&#8217;re a man you&#8217;ll know:</p>
<p>&#8220;She didn&#8217;t look like no high-school sweetheart.<br />
She was no obvious beauty queen.<br />
But she had something every man knows,<br />
That fire that&#8217;s felt not seen.&#8221;</p>
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		By: F		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2017/10/07/love-and-trouble/#comment-2264507</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[F]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Oct 2017 23:26:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I was an extra on a Hollywood film production once in an overseas location -  where doesn&#039;t particularly matter to this story.

The two stars -- an A- man and A grade woman whose names I don&#039;t want to share -- were nice enough people in real life, and we spent some time talking.  At one point during the film the male star said something teasing to the woman, and she turned to him and &quot;turned on the charm.&quot;  I was stunned.  When I talked to her she was a somewhat mousy woman with no sex appeal at all.  But when she turned on the charm with the man the whole room lit up, and even I could feel it.  I don&#039;t think there was a man in that room who didn&#039;t feel a little warmth in his loins when she did that.  I can&#039;t explain it, and I can not even describe it clearly, but it was so evident I remember it very precisely.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was an extra on a Hollywood film production once in an overseas location &#8211;  where doesn&#8217;t particularly matter to this story.</p>
<p>The two stars &#8212; an A- man and A grade woman whose names I don&#8217;t want to share &#8212; were nice enough people in real life, and we spent some time talking.  At one point during the film the male star said something teasing to the woman, and she turned to him and &#8220;turned on the charm.&#8221;  I was stunned.  When I talked to her she was a somewhat mousy woman with no sex appeal at all.  But when she turned on the charm with the man the whole room lit up, and even I could feel it.  I don&#8217;t think there was a man in that room who didn&#8217;t feel a little warmth in his loins when she did that.  I can&#8217;t explain it, and I can not even describe it clearly, but it was so evident I remember it very precisely.</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2017/10/07/love-and-trouble/#comment-2264498</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Oct 2017 22:34:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ann:

Well, maybe I&#039;m not remembering it exactly correctly.  But I recall that she kept discussing the incident for most of the book as though it was a formative one, and then in a much longer passage she went back and forth in a very confused way and basically said she doesn&#039;t think it made the difference at all.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ann:</p>
<p>Well, maybe I&#8217;m not remembering it exactly correctly.  But I recall that she kept discussing the incident for most of the book as though it was a formative one, and then in a much longer passage she went back and forth in a very confused way and basically said she doesn&#8217;t think it made the difference at all.</p>
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		By: Ann		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2017/10/07/love-and-trouble/#comment-2264496</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ann]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Oct 2017 22:30:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[How interesting, Neo, that she seems to have changed her tune about all that now. Maybe some negative feedback about what she said in the book got to her? Strange lady, in any case.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How interesting, Neo, that she seems to have changed her tune about all that now. Maybe some negative feedback about what she said in the book got to her? Strange lady, in any case.</p>
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