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		By: Ymar Sakar		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thompson machine guns, WW2 trenches and bunker warfare.]]></description>
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		By: SLR		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Oct 2017 01:31:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The danger of full auto fire has always been a boogie man. Its only use is close range (the army only adopted it after China entered the Korean war and was using human wave attacks)... and it only works for a couple seconds and your magazine is empty. No one is shooting 400 rounds a minute. You can&#039;t change the 30 round magazines fast enough... and it would damage the rifle.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The danger of full auto fire has always been a boogie man. Its only use is close range (the army only adopted it after China entered the Korean war and was using human wave attacks)&#8230; and it only works for a couple seconds and your magazine is empty. No one is shooting 400 rounds a minute. You can&#8217;t change the 30 round magazines fast enough&#8230; and it would damage the rifle.</p>
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		By: GRA		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Oct 2017 18:27:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Has this article been linked or addressed here since the Las Vegas shootings?

 https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/i-used-to-think-gun-control-was-the-answer-my-research-told-me-otherwise/2017/10/03/d33edca6-a851-11e7-92d1-58c702d2d975_story.html?utm_term=.9bf7b9f505e3]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has this article been linked or addressed here since the Las Vegas shootings?</p>
<p> <a href="https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/i-used-to-think-gun-control-was-the-answer-my-research-told-me-otherwise/2017/10/03/d33edca6-a851-11e7-92d1-58c702d2d975_story.html?utm_term=.9bf7b9f505e3" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/i-used-to-think-gun-control-was-the-answer-my-research-told-me-otherwise/2017/10/03/d33edca6-a851-11e7-92d1-58c702d2d975_story.html?utm_term=.9bf7b9f505e3</a></p>
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		By: Ymar Sakar		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ymar Sakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Oct 2017 17:38:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Americans are weak, that is why they desire a Trum or Hussein or HRC. Because in their heart of hearts, when the Left offers a compromise along with Lucifer&#039;s evil seed, many will actually consider taking it.

Not a good idea, but weakness begets weakness.

It&#039;s just a compromise, right, what harm could it do...

These are our fellow countrymen, Loyal Patriots in this Exceptional America, what possible harm could come from this Loyal Opposition?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Americans are weak, that is why they desire a Trum or Hussein or HRC. Because in their heart of hearts, when the Left offers a compromise along with Lucifer&#8217;s evil seed, many will actually consider taking it.</p>
<p>Not a good idea, but weakness begets weakness.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s just a compromise, right, what harm could it do&#8230;</p>
<p>These are our fellow countrymen, Loyal Patriots in this Exceptional America, what possible harm could come from this Loyal Opposition?</p>
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		By: Geoffrey Britain		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Oct 2017 01:09:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;&quot;In somewhat related news–what’s up with Bret Stephens? Anyone advocating an end to the Second Amendment must either be on the side of government tyranny, or of criminals, or be totally unaware of the historically-documented perils of gun confiscation.&quot;&lt;/i&gt; neo

Valid points but I think there&#039;s an even deeper issue here, in that advocating an end to the Second Amendment reveals not just misunderstanding but an individual&#039;s antipathy toward the very concept of &lt;b&gt;unalienable&lt;/b&gt; rights. 

But first, a bit of context; a &lt;i&gt;privilege&lt;/i&gt; can be rescinded. Plus, the basic premise and philosophical basis for our Constitution are the concepts contained in the words; &lt;b&gt;&quot;We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. – That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, –&quot;&lt;/b&gt; 

Our Constitution is clearly an attempt to codify a government that protects those truths. 

But &quot;unalienable rights&quot; cannot be said to exist, if they &lt;i&gt;can&lt;/i&gt; be repealed. As, a &#039;right&#039; subject to repeal is a &lt;i&gt;privilege&lt;/i&gt; granted by the State to its citizens and subject to revocation. 

The right to life is the most basic of rights, for without life all other rights are moot. Eliminating &lt;i&gt;the means&lt;/i&gt; to defend our lives,  effectively repeals the right to life. 

Any American who advocates the ending of unalienable rights has forfeited all rightful claims to being an American.

A society that denies the right to life and the right to defend our lives is a tyranny. 

Should Stephens and his leftist ilk achieve their desire, they shall discover that another unalienable right is the right to abolish a tyrannical government.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;In somewhat related news–what’s up with Bret Stephens? Anyone advocating an end to the Second Amendment must either be on the side of government tyranny, or of criminals, or be totally unaware of the historically-documented perils of gun confiscation.&#8221;</i> neo</p>
<p>Valid points but I think there&#8217;s an even deeper issue here, in that advocating an end to the Second Amendment reveals not just misunderstanding but an individual&#8217;s antipathy toward the very concept of <b>unalienable</b> rights. </p>
<p>But first, a bit of context; a <i>privilege</i> can be rescinded. Plus, the basic premise and philosophical basis for our Constitution are the concepts contained in the words; <b>&#8220;We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. – That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, –&#8221;</b> </p>
<p>Our Constitution is clearly an attempt to codify a government that protects those truths. </p>
<p>But &#8220;unalienable rights&#8221; cannot be said to exist, if they <i>can</i> be repealed. As, a &#8216;right&#8217; subject to repeal is a <i>privilege</i> granted by the State to its citizens and subject to revocation. </p>
<p>The right to life is the most basic of rights, for without life all other rights are moot. Eliminating <i>the means</i> to defend our lives,  effectively repeals the right to life. </p>
<p>Any American who advocates the ending of unalienable rights has forfeited all rightful claims to being an American.</p>
<p>A society that denies the right to life and the right to defend our lives is a tyranny. </p>
<p>Should Stephens and his leftist ilk achieve their desire, they shall discover that another unalienable right is the right to abolish a tyrannical government.</p>
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		By: vanderleun		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Oct 2017 00:07:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;It is very likely some officer or officers were in that corridor the whole time, and no one was seen leaving that room.&quot;

From the layout of  the suite as given the entrance was at the end of the corridor, which would make the corridor a kill zone. Hence, I doubt they were in the corridor but checking it out instead.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It is very likely some officer or officers were in that corridor the whole time, and no one was seen leaving that room.&#8221;</p>
<p>From the layout of  the suite as given the entrance was at the end of the corridor, which would make the corridor a kill zone. Hence, I doubt they were in the corridor but checking it out instead.</p>
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		By: Richard Aubrey		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Oct 2017 23:52:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[As an old Infantryman--I wasn&#039;t old when I was an Infantryman--I think full auto in a handheld weapon is overrated.
The military has taken it away and substituted &quot;Burst&quot; with a three round burst in the M16/M4.
In the other mass shootings, it&#039;s hard to think that the toll would have been greater if the shooter had had full auto available.
But this was different. Spraying a wide area, which is what would happen with a hand-held weapon past maybe 200 meters will allow you to hit the wide area every time.  And if it is, as one observer noted, a &quot;flesh-filled kill sack&quot;, you wouldn&#039;t be missing the people, either.
So, auto or no, I don&#039;t see much difference in any mass shootings going forward.  Unless, of course, somebody decides that outdoor concerts are the place to go.
Hell, a pickup truck with brush guards--to help deal with gates--and a bed full of sandbags for mass, could be a devastating weapon.  That&#039;s even if it isn&#039;t rigged to blow up.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an old Infantryman&#8211;I wasn&#8217;t old when I was an Infantryman&#8211;I think full auto in a handheld weapon is overrated.<br />
The military has taken it away and substituted &#8220;Burst&#8221; with a three round burst in the M16/M4.<br />
In the other mass shootings, it&#8217;s hard to think that the toll would have been greater if the shooter had had full auto available.<br />
But this was different. Spraying a wide area, which is what would happen with a hand-held weapon past maybe 200 meters will allow you to hit the wide area every time.  And if it is, as one observer noted, a &#8220;flesh-filled kill sack&#8221;, you wouldn&#8217;t be missing the people, either.<br />
So, auto or no, I don&#8217;t see much difference in any mass shootings going forward.  Unless, of course, somebody decides that outdoor concerts are the place to go.<br />
Hell, a pickup truck with brush guards&#8211;to help deal with gates&#8211;and a bed full of sandbags for mass, could be a devastating weapon.  That&#8217;s even if it isn&#8217;t rigged to blow up.</p>
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		By: T		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Oct 2017 22:38:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Reflecting the idea of cultural degeneration rather than guns, &lt;i&gt;per se&lt;/i&gt;, being the defining characteristic of mass shootings, I offer this quote from George Neumayr (as posted in Maverick Philosopher @5:35, 10/5/17).

&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;&quot;&gt;Conspicuously absent from all the sanctimonious lectures on gun control this week was any grappling with America’s cultural meltdown, which is the most comprehensible explanation for a spike in mass shootings even as laws and restrictions multiply. Indeed, the loudest voices for gun control come from the degenerate cultural forces most responsible for that meltdown. They demand that America “get serious about gun control,” even as they get less and less serious about the values and institutions most essential to the preservation of civilization.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The Link to Maverick Philosopher (Bill Vallicella):

http://maverickphilosopher.typepad.com/

The  direct link to Neumayr:

https://spectator.org/the-unserious-serious-discussion-about-guns/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reflecting the idea of cultural degeneration rather than guns, <i>per se</i>, being the defining characteristic of mass shootings, I offer this quote from George Neumayr (as posted in Maverick Philosopher @5:35, 10/5/17).</p>
<blockquote cite=""><p>Conspicuously absent from all the sanctimonious lectures on gun control this week was any grappling with America’s cultural meltdown, which is the most comprehensible explanation for a spike in mass shootings even as laws and restrictions multiply. Indeed, the loudest voices for gun control come from the degenerate cultural forces most responsible for that meltdown. They demand that America “get serious about gun control,” even as they get less and less serious about the values and institutions most essential to the preservation of civilization.</p></blockquote>
<p>The Link to Maverick Philosopher (Bill Vallicella):</p>
<p><a href="http://maverickphilosopher.typepad.com/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://maverickphilosopher.typepad.com/</a></p>
<p>The  direct link to Neumayr:</p>
<p><a href="https://spectator.org/the-unserious-serious-discussion-about-guns/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://spectator.org/the-unserious-serious-discussion-about-guns/</a></p>
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		By: n.n		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Oct 2017 22:12:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Let’s put this in perspective and gauge the liberal reaction to this exceptional crisis. Around one million wholly innocent human lives are, in America alone, aborted in Planned Parenthood and other progressive institutions every year. In exchange for implementing a measure under a mandate of color diversity (i.e. judging people as a class by the “color of their skin”, e.g. “gun owners”), the left and neo-Democratic Socialist Party will immediately terminate operation of abortion chambers, cannibalistic clinics, tear down the privacy walls, and affirm the unalienable right of babies to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let’s put this in perspective and gauge the liberal reaction to this exceptional crisis. Around one million wholly innocent human lives are, in America alone, aborted in Planned Parenthood and other progressive institutions every year. In exchange for implementing a measure under a mandate of color diversity (i.e. judging people as a class by the “color of their skin”, e.g. “gun owners”), the left and neo-Democratic Socialist Party will immediately terminate operation of abortion chambers, cannibalistic clinics, tear down the privacy walls, and affirm the unalienable right of babies to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.</p>
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		By: TommyJay		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Oct 2017 21:35:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I didn&#039;t even know bump-FIRE stocks (all stocks bump) existed.  So getting rid of them, doesn&#039;t bother me.  But...

I agree with steve.c.  This ban should be attached other &quot;common sense&quot; gun de-regulation.  Steve mentions two interesting ones.  I would be inclined to invoke the interstate commerce clause to undo state regs. like extra taxation or background checks on ammo purchases.  Or get rid of NY&#039;s (&#038; others?) idiotic 7 round magazine limit.  The industry has sort of coalesced around 10 round limited mags.

The average number of perps in a home invasion is 2.8, so 3 is the most likely occurrence.  Try stopping that with 7 rounds.

I don&#039;t recall anyone using the interstate commerce clause for its intended purpose of negating state regs. that hinder commerce, in my lifetime.

And I like Oldflyer&#039;s appreciation that Dems will need their camera face-time, and compassionate posturing, so give it to them.  The more stupid or ineffectual, the better.
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The sliding bump-fire stock creates slop in the positioning of the receiver and barrel and lost accuracy.  The gun in the crime scene picture with a BF stock had a no-magnification optical sight (EOTech) only good enough to target a general area at that range.

Some TV expert claimed that he would have been more effective if he had used a scope in a semi-auto mode, estimating 5 sec. per shot.  So 10 min. = 120 people shot.  Another way to look at this is that 10 min. of firing reduced to 5 min. by his very slow mag. changes = about 2,000 rounds.  So the vast majority of his rounds didn&#039;t even splash bullet fragments into anyone.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t even know bump-FIRE stocks (all stocks bump) existed.  So getting rid of them, doesn&#8217;t bother me.  But&#8230;</p>
<p>I agree with steve.c.  This ban should be attached other &#8220;common sense&#8221; gun de-regulation.  Steve mentions two interesting ones.  I would be inclined to invoke the interstate commerce clause to undo state regs. like extra taxation or background checks on ammo purchases.  Or get rid of NY&#8217;s (&amp; others?) idiotic 7 round magazine limit.  The industry has sort of coalesced around 10 round limited mags.</p>
<p>The average number of perps in a home invasion is 2.8, so 3 is the most likely occurrence.  Try stopping that with 7 rounds.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t recall anyone using the interstate commerce clause for its intended purpose of negating state regs. that hinder commerce, in my lifetime.</p>
<p>And I like Oldflyer&#8217;s appreciation that Dems will need their camera face-time, and compassionate posturing, so give it to them.  The more stupid or ineffectual, the better.<br />
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<p>The sliding bump-fire stock creates slop in the positioning of the receiver and barrel and lost accuracy.  The gun in the crime scene picture with a BF stock had a no-magnification optical sight (EOTech) only good enough to target a general area at that range.</p>
<p>Some TV expert claimed that he would have been more effective if he had used a scope in a semi-auto mode, estimating 5 sec. per shot.  So 10 min. = 120 people shot.  Another way to look at this is that 10 min. of firing reduced to 5 min. by his very slow mag. changes = about 2,000 rounds.  So the vast majority of his rounds didn&#8217;t even splash bullet fragments into anyone.</p>
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