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		By: A_Nonny_Mouse		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2017/09/28/hugh-hefner-dies-at-91/#comment-2261746</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[A_Nonny_Mouse]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Sep 2017 04:06:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I seem to recall, from the mists of the past, that the men eager to follow Hefner&#039;s path of self-indulgence were called &quot;Peter Pan&quot;s and derided for not wanting to grow up and &quot;man up&quot;, preferring hedonism to commitment and responsibility.  

I also seem to recall that these&quot;Peter Pan&quot; men gave impetus to the nascent feminist movement; the argument went that &quot;since so many lazy bums don&#039;t want to marry and provide for a family, we women need access to good CAREERS, not just temp jobs as fill-in secretaries.&quot;

(And we&#039;ve all read the diatribes by one of our prolix commenters, blaming The Fall Of The West on Feminism , right?) 

So, Hef&#039;s &quot;Philosophy&quot; may have helped open the door to The Death Of The Family. 

Unintended Consequences, eh ???]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I seem to recall, from the mists of the past, that the men eager to follow Hefner&#8217;s path of self-indulgence were called &#8220;Peter Pan&#8221;s and derided for not wanting to grow up and &#8220;man up&#8221;, preferring hedonism to commitment and responsibility.  </p>
<p>I also seem to recall that these&#8221;Peter Pan&#8221; men gave impetus to the nascent feminist movement; the argument went that &#8220;since so many lazy bums don&#8217;t want to marry and provide for a family, we women need access to good CAREERS, not just temp jobs as fill-in secretaries.&#8221;</p>
<p>(And we&#8217;ve all read the diatribes by one of our prolix commenters, blaming The Fall Of The West on Feminism , right?) </p>
<p>So, Hef&#8217;s &#8220;Philosophy&#8221; may have helped open the door to The Death Of The Family. </p>
<p>Unintended Consequences, eh ???</p>
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		By: Bilwick		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Sep 2017 19:05:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;After much time and consideration, I can say that, so far, I can’t think of a single, good reason to encourage people to have sexual intercourse outside of a marriage.&quot;

It&#039;s fun! Did me a world of good, too.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;After much time and consideration, I can say that, so far, I can’t think of a single, good reason to encourage people to have sexual intercourse outside of a marriage.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s fun! Did me a world of good, too.</p>
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		By: Hangtown Bob		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2017/09/28/hugh-hefner-dies-at-91/#comment-2261532</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hangtown Bob]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Sep 2017 13:49:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hefner claimed that the impetus for his move to become a &quot;playboy&quot; was the infidelity of his first wife while he was serving in the military.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4565862/hugh-hefners-first-wife-cheated-playboy/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hefner claimed that the impetus for his move to become a &#8220;playboy&#8221; was the infidelity of his first wife while he was serving in the military.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4565862/hugh-hefners-first-wife-cheated-playboy/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4565862/hugh-hefners-first-wife-cheated-playboy/</a></p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2017/09/28/hugh-hefner-dies-at-91/#comment-2261421</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[huxley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Sep 2017 04:28:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;... but I can not see one positive thing for society about his life on earth. Have we not seen the harm caused by the attitude that there are no boundries or responsibilities in the realm of human sexuality?&lt;/i&gt;

parker: You calls &#039;em as you sees &#039;em. So do I.

I navigated puberty under the gentle guidance of the Catholic Church and I saw my first naked woman in a Playboy. I&#039;d argue Hefner had at least one positive thing going for him.

Hefner was a guy on the make with vague, post-facto good intentions. The Catholic Church told me they had nothing but the best intentions for my soul while being quite hypocritical and vicious.

Sex is too powerful to be simple no matter who makes the rules. Hefner didn&#039;t come out of nowhere and not even just from the ordinary human id. There was a price paid for the pre-Hef days too.

&lt;i&gt;As the caterpillar chooses the fairest leaves to lay her eggs on, the priest lays his curse on the fairest joys.

â€•William Blake&lt;/i&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8230; but I can not see one positive thing for society about his life on earth. Have we not seen the harm caused by the attitude that there are no boundries or responsibilities in the realm of human sexuality?</i></p>
<p>parker: You calls &#8217;em as you sees &#8217;em. So do I.</p>
<p>I navigated puberty under the gentle guidance of the Catholic Church and I saw my first naked woman in a Playboy. I&#8217;d argue Hefner had at least one positive thing going for him.</p>
<p>Hefner was a guy on the make with vague, post-facto good intentions. The Catholic Church told me they had nothing but the best intentions for my soul while being quite hypocritical and vicious.</p>
<p>Sex is too powerful to be simple no matter who makes the rules. Hefner didn&#8217;t come out of nowhere and not even just from the ordinary human id. There was a price paid for the pre-Hef days too.</p>
<p><i>As the caterpillar chooses the fairest leaves to lay her eggs on, the priest lays his curse on the fairest joys.</p>
<p>â€•William Blake</i></p>
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		By: Stephen Ippolito		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2017/09/28/hugh-hefner-dies-at-91/#comment-2261396</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stephen Ippolito]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Sep 2017 03:10:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ralph, Thanks. Most kind of you.

The Other Chuck, I take your point on Gloria. It is well made.

Am I the only one who thinks that Gloria has played on her conventionally pretty features and figure a little too much for a woman who made her career and name by denigrating the place that physical attraction has in relations between the sexes ?

Gloria justified her bunny stint as undercover opposition research, as I recall. She was just like &quot;the resistance&quot; don&#039;t you know.  

For my money, the most important feminist of our times, (next to our beloved and learned Neo), is the only feminist academic currently writing who consistently thinks originally and outside the box, who has the courage to speak her mind unconstrained by the dictates of doctrinaire career feminists like G and who genuinely likes, respects and defends men and maleness.

http://acculturated.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/camille_paglia-647x434.png

I find her much more appealing than the overrated G and look forward to reading her take on Hef&#039;s passing in due course.

(I have decided to forgive Camille for her slamming of my beloved Tay-Tay a while back as &quot;an elitist nazi barbie&quot;).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ralph, Thanks. Most kind of you.</p>
<p>The Other Chuck, I take your point on Gloria. It is well made.</p>
<p>Am I the only one who thinks that Gloria has played on her conventionally pretty features and figure a little too much for a woman who made her career and name by denigrating the place that physical attraction has in relations between the sexes ?</p>
<p>Gloria justified her bunny stint as undercover opposition research, as I recall. She was just like &#8220;the resistance&#8221; don&#8217;t you know.  </p>
<p>For my money, the most important feminist of our times, (next to our beloved and learned Neo), is the only feminist academic currently writing who consistently thinks originally and outside the box, who has the courage to speak her mind unconstrained by the dictates of doctrinaire career feminists like G and who genuinely likes, respects and defends men and maleness.</p>
<p><a href="http://acculturated.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/camille_paglia-647x434.png" rel="nofollow ugc">http://acculturated.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/camille_paglia-647&#215;434.png</a></p>
<p>I find her much more appealing than the overrated G and look forward to reading her take on Hef&#8217;s passing in due course.</p>
<p>(I have decided to forgive Camille for her slamming of my beloved Tay-Tay a while back as &#8220;an elitist nazi barbie&#8221;).</p>
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		By: parker		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2017/09/28/hugh-hefner-dies-at-91/#comment-2261392</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Sep 2017 03:06:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I never wished him harm, but I can not see one positive thing for society about his life on earth.  Have we not seen the harm caused by the attitude that there are no boundries or responsibilities in the realm of human sexuality? He gets no RIP from me.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never wished him harm, but I can not see one positive thing for society about his life on earth.  Have we not seen the harm caused by the attitude that there are no boundries or responsibilities in the realm of human sexuality? He gets no RIP from me.</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2017/09/28/hugh-hefner-dies-at-91/#comment-2261383</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Sep 2017 02:32:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Robert Crumb, the underground comix cartoonist, talked about how he went to New York in the early sixties to see cartoonists he idolized -- Harvey Kurtzman, Will Elder, Jack Davis -- who were on the Playboy payroll, and Crumb was horrified.

Crumb had imagined himself, once he got past his bourgeois, Catholic hangups, as a Playboy Philosophy kinda guy. He couldn&#039;t wait to make enough money to set up his bachelor pad and be as cool as Hef or James Bond.

What he saw instead was several genius-level cartoonists working 80+ hours a week to maintain a house near New York and a semblance of a swinging lifestyle. 

Crumb gave up on being a Playboy cartoonist. He dropped out, hitchhiked to San Francisco, became an odd hippie who wore retro 40s suits, and through his own peculiar monomania and luck became the top-dog underground cartoonist. 

But he never lost his contempt for Hefner and Playboy.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert Crumb, the underground comix cartoonist, talked about how he went to New York in the early sixties to see cartoonists he idolized &#8212; Harvey Kurtzman, Will Elder, Jack Davis &#8212; who were on the Playboy payroll, and Crumb was horrified.</p>
<p>Crumb had imagined himself, once he got past his bourgeois, Catholic hangups, as a Playboy Philosophy kinda guy. He couldn&#8217;t wait to make enough money to set up his bachelor pad and be as cool as Hef or James Bond.</p>
<p>What he saw instead was several genius-level cartoonists working 80+ hours a week to maintain a house near New York and a semblance of a swinging lifestyle. </p>
<p>Crumb gave up on being a Playboy cartoonist. He dropped out, hitchhiked to San Francisco, became an odd hippie who wore retro 40s suits, and through his own peculiar monomania and luck became the top-dog underground cartoonist. </p>
<p>But he never lost his contempt for Hefner and Playboy.</p>
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		By: The Other Chuck		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2017/09/28/hugh-hefner-dies-at-91/#comment-2261379</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Other Chuck]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Sep 2017 02:23:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[As I read the comments here I am reminded yet again that despite what the feminists and leftists like to shriek at us, it is conservative or conservative-leaning men who are womanhood’s truest defenders.

Except for Gloria Steinem who went to extraordinary lengths to defend womanhood. Here&#039;s Gloria in Bunny-Drag:
https://img.haikudeck.com/mi/8999d2da05087c77ef9b9339b393300b.jpg]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I read the comments here I am reminded yet again that despite what the feminists and leftists like to shriek at us, it is conservative or conservative-leaning men who are womanhood’s truest defenders.</p>
<p>Except for Gloria Steinem who went to extraordinary lengths to defend womanhood. Here&#8217;s Gloria in Bunny-Drag:<br />
<a href="https://img.haikudeck.com/mi/8999d2da05087c77ef9b9339b393300b.jpg" rel="nofollow ugc">https://img.haikudeck.com/mi/8999d2da05087c77ef9b9339b393300b.jpg</a></p>
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		By: Ralph Kinney Bennett		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2017/09/28/hugh-hefner-dies-at-91/#comment-2261365</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ralph Kinney Bennett]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Sep 2017 01:46:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Stephen Ippolito nailed it.  Excellent analysis.  It would be difficult to find anything so cluelessly pretentious as the Playboy &quot;philosophy&quot; or its advice on, say, how to host (and dress for) a formal dinner.  Hefner seemed a nice enough fellow, but when he got to expatiating on this or that there was that painful realization that -- like a former Illinois Senator and recent President -- he actually believed his own bullshit.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stephen Ippolito nailed it.  Excellent analysis.  It would be difficult to find anything so cluelessly pretentious as the Playboy &#8220;philosophy&#8221; or its advice on, say, how to host (and dress for) a formal dinner.  Hefner seemed a nice enough fellow, but when he got to expatiating on this or that there was that painful realization that &#8212; like a former Illinois Senator and recent President &#8212; he actually believed his own bullshit.</p>
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		By: Stephen Ippolito		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2017/09/28/hugh-hefner-dies-at-91/#comment-2261274</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stephen Ippolito]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Sep 2017 23:40:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[As I read the comments here I am reminded yet again that despite what the feminists and leftists like to shriek at us, it is conservative or conservative-leaning men who are womanhood&#039;s truest defenders.

Very seldom have I ever heard from a leftist male or woman any recognition of the innate dignity of the feminine state of being or the feminine sensibilty or of the tremendously sad devaluation of female dignity that was ushered in by the 60&#039;s and Hefner&#039;s cohort.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I read the comments here I am reminded yet again that despite what the feminists and leftists like to shriek at us, it is conservative or conservative-leaning men who are womanhood&#8217;s truest defenders.</p>
<p>Very seldom have I ever heard from a leftist male or woman any recognition of the innate dignity of the feminine state of being or the feminine sensibilty or of the tremendously sad devaluation of female dignity that was ushered in by the 60&#8217;s and Hefner&#8217;s cohort.</p>
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