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		By: Ymar Sakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2017/09/20/the-latest-gop-effort-to-repeal-obamacare/#comment-2259212</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ymar Sakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Sep 2017 23:23:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;It’s all just a matter of time until the next generation that loves single payer comes into power, anyway.&lt;/b&gt;

People will call them immature and ignore them for using Rocket Man.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>It’s all just a matter of time until the next generation that loves single payer comes into power, anyway.</b></p>
<p>People will call them immature and ignore them for using Rocket Man.</p>
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		By: Ymar Sakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2017/09/20/the-latest-gop-effort-to-repeal-obamacare/#comment-2259210</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ymar Sakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Sep 2017 23:19:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ann Althouse, the prophetess that foresees all right.

Didn&#039;t somebody vote for Hussein that had some similarity in naming, let me check...

http://althouse.blogspot.com/2016/01/why-i-quit-watching-debate-halfway.html

Let&#039;s see, Althouse, althouse... there we go.

&lt;b&gt;I did go on to vote for Obama. I voted for him before I voted against him (in 2012). Or... it&#039;s more accurate to say: I voted against McCain before I voted against Obama. I&#039;m just not that enthusiastic about political candidates.&lt;/b&gt;

When you can&#039;t vote your conscience, don&#039;t vote. If you don&#039;t have a conscience, just roll the coin. What&#039;s the worse that can happen, the IRS blows up the Tea Party protests?

T Says: 
September 21st, 2017 at 3:05 pm
From over at Ann Althouse’s blog (posted @8:40 AM) an interesting aside:

Might as well pay attention to Goldmansachs admin criticizing Cruz&#039;s wife for being a Gold Man sachs employee in the past.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ann Althouse, the prophetess that foresees all right.</p>
<p>Didn&#8217;t somebody vote for Hussein that had some similarity in naming, let me check&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://althouse.blogspot.com/2016/01/why-i-quit-watching-debate-halfway.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://althouse.blogspot.com/2016/01/why-i-quit-watching-debate-halfway.html</a></p>
<p>Let&#8217;s see, Althouse, althouse&#8230; there we go.</p>
<p><b>I did go on to vote for Obama. I voted for him before I voted against him (in 2012). Or&#8230; it&#8217;s more accurate to say: I voted against McCain before I voted against Obama. I&#8217;m just not that enthusiastic about political candidates.</b></p>
<p>When you can&#8217;t vote your conscience, don&#8217;t vote. If you don&#8217;t have a conscience, just roll the coin. What&#8217;s the worse that can happen, the IRS blows up the Tea Party protests?</p>
<p>T Says:<br />
September 21st, 2017 at 3:05 pm<br />
From over at Ann Althouse’s blog (posted @8:40 AM) an interesting aside:</p>
<p>Might as well pay attention to Goldmansachs admin criticizing Cruz&#8217;s wife for being a Gold Man sachs employee in the past.</p>
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		By: T		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2017/09/20/the-latest-gop-effort-to-repeal-obamacare/#comment-2259042</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[T]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Sep 2017 15:52:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[. . . and yet, again, today from Steven Hayward:

&lt;b&gt;&quot; . . . just about every time I think he’s [i.e., Trump] blundered or shown himself not up to the job, something changes my mind as the dust settles.&quot;

&quot;And about his two recent semi-deals with Chuck and Nancy that I dumped all over a few days ago. Today those deals look rather different in their impact going forward.&quot;&lt;/b&gt;

The link:

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2017/09/why-trump-is-so-much-fun.php

We tend to forget that Trump was initially educated not in &quot;The Academy&quot; but in military school and is undoubtedly familiar with the military history of diversion and feint attacks and how they can be successfully used.

It has been a fascinating 8 months.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>. . . and yet, again, today from Steven Hayward:</p>
<p><b>&#8221; . . . just about every time I think he’s [i.e., Trump] blundered or shown himself not up to the job, something changes my mind as the dust settles.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;And about his two recent semi-deals with Chuck and Nancy that I dumped all over a few days ago. Today those deals look rather different in their impact going forward.&#8221;</b></p>
<p>The link:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2017/09/why-trump-is-so-much-fun.php" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2017/09/why-trump-is-so-much-fun.php</a></p>
<p>We tend to forget that Trump was initially educated not in &#8220;The Academy&#8221; but in military school and is undoubtedly familiar with the military history of diversion and feint attacks and how they can be successfully used.</p>
<p>It has been a fascinating 8 months.</p>
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		By: ErisGuy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ErisGuy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Sep 2017 06:54:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;sex or membership in a protected class under the Constitution of the United States&lt;/i&gt;

Someday the United States will abolish its noble classes to become democratic.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>sex or membership in a protected class under the Constitution of the United States</i></p>
<p>Someday the United States will abolish its noble classes to become democratic.</p>
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		By: T		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2017/09/20/the-latest-gop-effort-to-repeal-obamacare/#comment-2258770</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[T]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Sep 2017 19:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[From over at Ann Althouse&#039;s blog (posted @8:40 AM) an interesting aside:

&lt;b&gt;&quot;So, striking a deal with the Democrats on the budget, President Trump – and the Democrats Pelosi and Schumer – opened up another chance for Republicans to repeal Obamacare. That&#039;s striking.&quot; [Thomas Kaplan]


&quot;Is Trump that crafty? Did Schumer and Pelosi fall into a trap? I&#039;m inclined to answer those questions yes if only because the 2 NYT reporters – who I doubt would give Trump any extra credit – made me think about it that way.&quot; [Ann Althouse]&lt;/b&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From over at Ann Althouse&#8217;s blog (posted @8:40 AM) an interesting aside:</p>
<p><b>&#8220;So, striking a deal with the Democrats on the budget, President Trump – and the Democrats Pelosi and Schumer – opened up another chance for Republicans to repeal Obamacare. That&#8217;s striking.&#8221; [Thomas Kaplan]</p>
<p>&#8220;Is Trump that crafty? Did Schumer and Pelosi fall into a trap? I&#8217;m inclined to answer those questions yes if only because the 2 NYT reporters – who I doubt would give Trump any extra credit – made me think about it that way.&#8221; [Ann Althouse]</b></p>
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		By: BrianE		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BrianE]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Sep 2017 15:12:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[One advantage of block granting the ACA spending to the states is that states technically can&#039;t run deficits. I think in practice they do run deficits by accounting gimmickry.

As to the government running healthcare policy-- in a sense they already do.

I recently had an issue common to mature men. My PSA level went from 4 to 11, one year to the next. I asked for a second test to make sure that wasn&#039;t an error and the doctor refused to authorize it, telling me that medicare wouldn&#039;t pay for two tests that close together. 
I&#039;m not on medicare but private company insurance-- and he still resisted, though I finally browbeat him into authorizing it.

I got the impression he would get a black mark on his record for that. 

Is it possible the government is already keeping track of what type of care doctors are dispensing?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One advantage of block granting the ACA spending to the states is that states technically can&#8217;t run deficits. I think in practice they do run deficits by accounting gimmickry.</p>
<p>As to the government running healthcare policy&#8211; in a sense they already do.</p>
<p>I recently had an issue common to mature men. My PSA level went from 4 to 11, one year to the next. I asked for a second test to make sure that wasn&#8217;t an error and the doctor refused to authorize it, telling me that medicare wouldn&#8217;t pay for two tests that close together.<br />
I&#8217;m not on medicare but private company insurance&#8211; and he still resisted, though I finally browbeat him into authorizing it.</p>
<p>I got the impression he would get a black mark on his record for that. </p>
<p>Is it possible the government is already keeping track of what type of care doctors are dispensing?</p>
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		By: BrianE		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BrianE]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Sep 2017 14:57:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m with Blert on this. No one is talking about how much health care entitlements cost.

In fiscal year 2015, according to the CMS.gov (the Centers for Medicaid and Medicare spending) Medicare spending was $646 billion and Medicaid spending was $545 billion of which $201 billion was from state budgets.

Private health insurance spending was $2.4 trillion and out of pocket spending was $338 billion for the total NHE (National Health Expenditures) spending of $3.2 trillion or $9,990 per person.

I had read estimates that the federal deficit was expected to rise back to $1 trillion annually by 2020-- though that figure might be lower due to increased economic growth in the economy.

Leaving aside all the arguments why the government isn&#039;t the best vehicle for making national healthcare decisions, no one is talking about how they are going to raise the revenue to pay the $800 billion deficit spending by government medical spending right now.

Would some politician somewhere please explain how we&#039;re going to pay for the services the government already provides  (and please no waste, fraud and abuse-- though there is plenty of that (especially waste) in government spending).

The liberal argument for Medicare for all is by the magic hand of the government, they can take the $2.4 trillion dollars in spending from private health insurance and reduce spending by $700 billion dollars, all the while offering the same level of service.

They say they&#039;re going to do that in two ways, if I understand the argument. Reducing payments to healthcare providers (the power of monopoly) and stripping the administrative costs and profit that the healthcare insurance companies presently reap.

Is that possible?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with Blert on this. No one is talking about how much health care entitlements cost.</p>
<p>In fiscal year 2015, according to the CMS.gov (the Centers for Medicaid and Medicare spending) Medicare spending was $646 billion and Medicaid spending was $545 billion of which $201 billion was from state budgets.</p>
<p>Private health insurance spending was $2.4 trillion and out of pocket spending was $338 billion for the total NHE (National Health Expenditures) spending of $3.2 trillion or $9,990 per person.</p>
<p>I had read estimates that the federal deficit was expected to rise back to $1 trillion annually by 2020&#8211; though that figure might be lower due to increased economic growth in the economy.</p>
<p>Leaving aside all the arguments why the government isn&#8217;t the best vehicle for making national healthcare decisions, no one is talking about how they are going to raise the revenue to pay the $800 billion deficit spending by government medical spending right now.</p>
<p>Would some politician somewhere please explain how we&#8217;re going to pay for the services the government already provides  (and please no waste, fraud and abuse&#8211; though there is plenty of that (especially waste) in government spending).</p>
<p>The liberal argument for Medicare for all is by the magic hand of the government, they can take the $2.4 trillion dollars in spending from private health insurance and reduce spending by $700 billion dollars, all the while offering the same level of service.</p>
<p>They say they&#8217;re going to do that in two ways, if I understand the argument. Reducing payments to healthcare providers (the power of monopoly) and stripping the administrative costs and profit that the healthcare insurance companies presently reap.</p>
<p>Is that possible?</p>
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		By: steve walsh		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[steve walsh]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Sep 2017 09:49:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Tinkering at the margins with a healthy dose of kabuki theater.

I&#039;ll pay attention when they, Congress, actually do something.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tinkering at the margins with a healthy dose of kabuki theater.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll pay attention when they, Congress, actually do something.</p>
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		By: ColoComment		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ColoComment]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Sep 2017 02:55:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yes, there really was little &quot;wrong&quot; with the health insurance/care situation pre-PPACA that couldn&#039;t have been adjusted with a bit of tweaking.
The best option IMHO was the HSA/High deductible policy option that was really beginning to take off when it was outlawed by O&#039;care. Subsidize the HSA account for those who meet some defined standards. But otherwise, keep the sticky fingers of gov&#039;t out of it &#038; let consumers compete for insurance &#038; services. 

And, if SCt can overturn Plessy v Ferguson, and expand Constitutional&quot;rights&quot; to those shadowed by penumbras, and call a penalty a tax in one part of a law and call it a penalty in another part of a law, then it maybe could some day overturn Wickard v. Filburn. Not likely, but wouldn&#039;t it be GREAT?  :-)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, there really was little &#8220;wrong&#8221; with the health insurance/care situation pre-PPACA that couldn&#8217;t have been adjusted with a bit of tweaking.<br />
The best option IMHO was the HSA/High deductible policy option that was really beginning to take off when it was outlawed by O&#8217;care. Subsidize the HSA account for those who meet some defined standards. But otherwise, keep the sticky fingers of gov&#8217;t out of it &amp; let consumers compete for insurance &amp; services. </p>
<p>And, if SCt can overturn Plessy v Ferguson, and expand Constitutional&#8221;rights&#8221; to those shadowed by penumbras, and call a penalty a tax in one part of a law and call it a penalty in another part of a law, then it maybe could some day overturn Wickard v. Filburn. Not likely, but wouldn&#8217;t it be GREAT?  🙂</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo-neocon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Sep 2017 02:01:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[TommyJay:

You write &quot;If the gov. of California wants to force CA citizens to worship the redwoods for one week out of the year, or else pay a $10K penalty, um tax, it would NOT be unconstitutional any more. &quot;

I hate to break it to you, but yes, it would be unconstitutional because it would violate the separation of church and state, albeit at the state but not the federal level.  So it would violate their First Amendment rights.  It&#039;s not only the feds who are not allowed to do but the states are not allowed to do it either, because the First Amendment &lt;a href=&quot;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incorporation_of_the_Bill_of_Rights#Amendment_I&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;has also been ruled&lt;/a&gt; to apply to the states.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TommyJay:</p>
<p>You write &#8220;If the gov. of California wants to force CA citizens to worship the redwoods for one week out of the year, or else pay a $10K penalty, um tax, it would NOT be unconstitutional any more. &#8221;</p>
<p>I hate to break it to you, but yes, it would be unconstitutional because it would violate the separation of church and state, albeit at the state but not the federal level.  So it would violate their First Amendment rights.  It&#8217;s not only the feds who are not allowed to do but the states are not allowed to do it either, because the First Amendment <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incorporation_of_the_Bill_of_Rights#Amendment_I" rel="nofollow">has also been ruled</a> to apply to the states.</p>
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