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		By: Ymar Sakar		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[US black rates are mostly due to the sodomy culture of gang banging and black culture in inner cities. Women are treated as property, and unless they can fight back, they lack any authority or say over the black male.

Even white males have aggression issues dealing with black males. Women tend to fold since they lack anything, other than firearms, on controlling more powerful males.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>US black rates are mostly due to the sodomy culture of gang banging and black culture in inner cities. Women are treated as property, and unless they can fight back, they lack any authority or say over the black male.</p>
<p>Even white males have aggression issues dealing with black males. Women tend to fold since they lack anything, other than firearms, on controlling more powerful males.</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Sep 2017 15:53:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Looking into the HIV statistics online, I notice most state that HIV rates are higher among African American, but you have to burrow deeper or crunch the numbers yourself to get a sense of how much higher those rates are. 

Here are some cold hard numbers from the National Institute of Health in a 2005 article. From my reading the numbers are still this bad.

&lt;i&gt;African Americans in the United States are disproportionately affected by HIV/AIDS, with &lt;b&gt;the rate of AIDS for African Americans nine times that of Whites.&lt;/b&gt;
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&lt;b&gt;While African Americans make up only 13% of the U.S. population, they represent 39% of all AIDS cases reported in the U.S. through 2002.&lt;/b&gt;

Furthermore, the proportion of AIDS cases accounted for by African Americans has steadily and markedly increased over time: of the more than 42,000 new cases reported in 2002, 50% were African American, &lt;b&gt;an overall rate that was almost 11 times greater than the rate for Whites in that year.&lt;/b&gt;

In the same year, &lt;b&gt;African Americans constituted almost two-thirds of all AIDS cases in women and two-thirds of all pediatric AIDS cases.&lt;/b&gt;

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1388265/&lt;/i&gt;

The article suggests that some of the racial disparity is due to high rates of blacks incarceration in prisons which are STD factories.

Makes sense to me. People go on about microagressions but the fate of those imprisoned is a horror and one of the true shames of America.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looking into the HIV statistics online, I notice most state that HIV rates are higher among African American, but you have to burrow deeper or crunch the numbers yourself to get a sense of how much higher those rates are. </p>
<p>Here are some cold hard numbers from the National Institute of Health in a 2005 article. From my reading the numbers are still this bad.</p>
<p><i>African Americans in the United States are disproportionately affected by HIV/AIDS, with <b>the rate of AIDS for African Americans nine times that of Whites.</b><br />
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<b>While African Americans make up only 13% of the U.S. population, they represent 39% of all AIDS cases reported in the U.S. through 2002.</b></p>
<p>Furthermore, the proportion of AIDS cases accounted for by African Americans has steadily and markedly increased over time: of the more than 42,000 new cases reported in 2002, 50% were African American, <b>an overall rate that was almost 11 times greater than the rate for Whites in that year.</b></p>
<p>In the same year, <b>African Americans constituted almost two-thirds of all AIDS cases in women and two-thirds of all pediatric AIDS cases.</b></p>
<p><a href="https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1388265/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1388265/</a></i></p>
<p>The article suggests that some of the racial disparity is due to high rates of blacks incarceration in prisons which are STD factories.</p>
<p>Makes sense to me. People go on about microagressions but the fate of those imprisoned is a horror and one of the true shames of America.</p>
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		By: Frog		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Sep 2017 03:14:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[“This genetic factor that has made sub-Saharan Africans resistant to vivax malaria is also making them more susceptible to HIV.”
Related to what I said before, though it was about the sickle cell genetic factor and malaria.
Ah well.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“This genetic factor that has made sub-Saharan Africans resistant to vivax malaria is also making them more susceptible to HIV.”<br />
Related to what I said before, though it was about the sickle cell genetic factor and malaria.<br />
Ah well.</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Sep 2017 02:56:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Terrence Condolini:

On &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.kff.org/hivaids/fact-sheet/black-americans-and-hivaids-the-basics/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the higher rates&lt;/a&gt; of HIV among black people:
&lt;blockquote&gt;While male-to-male sexual contact accounts for the largest share of HIV cases among both Blacks and whites, fewer Blacks are infected this way and heterosexual sex plays a bigger role among Blacks compared with whites. Among Blacks, 58% of new HIV diagnoses in 2015 were attributable to male-to-male sexual contact and 34% were attributable to heterosexual sex; among whites, 72% of new HIV diagnoses in 2015 were attributable to male-to-male sexual contact and 13% were attributable to heterosexual sex. The remainder of HIV diagnoses in each group were attributable to other causes, including injection drug use.
HIV transmission patterns among Black men vary from those of white men as well. Although both groups are most likely to have been infected through sex with other men, white men are more likely to have been infected this way. Heterosexual transmission accounts for a greater share of new diagnoses among Black men than white men.
Black women are most likely to have been infected through heterosexual transmission, the most common transmission route for women overall. White women are more likely to have been infected through injection drug use than Black women.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

In addition, higher rates of VD in the black population are part of the picture.  There seems to be a higher rate of heterosexual transmission among black people.  Is it because of higher rates of concomitant VD or other infections? It might be. I&#039;ve also read that there is a much higher rate of heterosexual transmission in sub-saharan Africa, and of the disease as a whole.  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nature.com/news/2008/080716/full/news.2008.948.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;This genetic quirk&lt;/a&gt; might be part of the reason, and I would imagine a great many American blacks share the mutation:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Nearly all Africans carry a mutation near the DARC gene that prevents its expression. &quot;It&#039;s a tradeoff,&quot; says Robin Weiss, an HIV researcher at University College London and part of the team that has found the new HIV link. &quot;This genetic factor that has made sub-Saharan Africans resistant to vivax malaria is also making them more susceptible to HIV.&quot; &lt;/blockquote&gt;

There are probably a lot of reasons for the higher rate.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Terrence Condolini:</p>
<p>On <a href="http://www.kff.org/hivaids/fact-sheet/black-americans-and-hivaids-the-basics/" rel="nofollow">the higher rates</a> of HIV among black people:</p>
<blockquote><p>While male-to-male sexual contact accounts for the largest share of HIV cases among both Blacks and whites, fewer Blacks are infected this way and heterosexual sex plays a bigger role among Blacks compared with whites. Among Blacks, 58% of new HIV diagnoses in 2015 were attributable to male-to-male sexual contact and 34% were attributable to heterosexual sex; among whites, 72% of new HIV diagnoses in 2015 were attributable to male-to-male sexual contact and 13% were attributable to heterosexual sex. The remainder of HIV diagnoses in each group were attributable to other causes, including injection drug use.<br />
HIV transmission patterns among Black men vary from those of white men as well. Although both groups are most likely to have been infected through sex with other men, white men are more likely to have been infected this way. Heterosexual transmission accounts for a greater share of new diagnoses among Black men than white men.<br />
Black women are most likely to have been infected through heterosexual transmission, the most common transmission route for women overall. White women are more likely to have been infected through injection drug use than Black women.</p></blockquote>
<p>In addition, higher rates of VD in the black population are part of the picture.  There seems to be a higher rate of heterosexual transmission among black people.  Is it because of higher rates of concomitant VD or other infections? It might be. I&#8217;ve also read that there is a much higher rate of heterosexual transmission in sub-saharan Africa, and of the disease as a whole.  <a href="http://www.nature.com/news/2008/080716/full/news.2008.948.html" rel="nofollow">This genetic quirk</a> might be part of the reason, and I would imagine a great many American blacks share the mutation:</p>
<blockquote><p>Nearly all Africans carry a mutation near the DARC gene that prevents its expression. &#8220;It&#8217;s a tradeoff,&#8221; says Robin Weiss, an HIV researcher at University College London and part of the team that has found the new HIV link. &#8220;This genetic factor that has made sub-Saharan Africans resistant to vivax malaria is also making them more susceptible to HIV.&#8221; </p></blockquote>
<p>There are probably a lot of reasons for the higher rate.</p>
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		By: Terrence Condolini		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Terrence Condolini]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Sep 2017 02:32:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[oh, that explains the miscommunication.   i mixed two thoughts in the same comment.  the higher rate of hiv in black gay males contributes greatly to the overall rates of infection in the south.  why they have higher rates i cannot say (they also have higher infection rates in the non-gay parts of the black community).  the other part, about (slightly) higher rates of gayness in blacks was just a throw in tidbit.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh, that explains the miscommunication.   i mixed two thoughts in the same comment.  the higher rate of hiv in black gay males contributes greatly to the overall rates of infection in the south.  why they have higher rates i cannot say (they also have higher infection rates in the non-gay parts of the black community).  the other part, about (slightly) higher rates of gayness in blacks was just a throw in tidbit.</p>
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		By: Frog		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Sep 2017 21:43:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[huxley @7:26AM-
Exactly what I was getting at. HIV infection is predominantly a black phenomenon here in the USA. As Neo pointed out, 60% of new female cases are in blacks.
It may be a biological selection phenomenon, as, for example, whites do not get sickle cell disease, which in malarial black Africa is associated with relative malaria resistance though at a hellish price. Or, it may be behaviorally linked, though it is hard to imagine that today blacks are more promiscuous than whites or Latinos. They, all American races, are all promiscuous. The upper classes are less so, marry much more often: the last holdout of the nuclear family.
Hell, I&#039;ve been married 3x and have only had intercourse with 4 women my entire life, a period that spans 55 years! Turned down a bunch, all white, too. My kids are entirely the same: Fidelity.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>huxley @7:26AM-<br />
Exactly what I was getting at. HIV infection is predominantly a black phenomenon here in the USA. As Neo pointed out, 60% of new female cases are in blacks.<br />
It may be a biological selection phenomenon, as, for example, whites do not get sickle cell disease, which in malarial black Africa is associated with relative malaria resistance though at a hellish price. Or, it may be behaviorally linked, though it is hard to imagine that today blacks are more promiscuous than whites or Latinos. They, all American races, are all promiscuous. The upper classes are less so, marry much more often: the last holdout of the nuclear family.<br />
Hell, I&#8217;ve been married 3x and have only had intercourse with 4 women my entire life, a period that spans 55 years! Turned down a bunch, all white, too. My kids are entirely the same: Fidelity.</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Sep 2017 19:47:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Terrence Condolini:

Yes, I think you missed several things.

My post discusses how the change in HIV rates vary in gay people between ethnic groups, as well as containing links to the fact that blacks are the ethnic groups with the highest rates.  You didn&#039;t link to where you found that 50% figure, but since it is similar to figures in articles I already linked to that said that 44% of new HIV diagnoses in the US are in the black population, I wouldn&#039;t be the least bit surprised if that 50% figure was accurate.  The high rate of HIV in black people is obvious in the map, and was explicitly discussed in the links.  I was focusing on other issues---particularly, recent &lt;i&gt;changes&lt;/i&gt; in rates---but the racial distribution is quite obvious and undisputed.

My point in my comment to you was about a completely different statistic, the percentage of blacks who are gay versus the percentage of whites who are gay.  I don&#039;t think that the large and disproportionate prevalence of blacks among HIV-positive people is necessarily explained by the fact that a slightly higher percentage of black people than white people declare themselves to be LGBT, because it&#039;s possible some of those people are lesbians (who are not really a vector for HIV at all), and because the much higher proportion of black people among the HIV-population is much larger than the difference in reported homosexuality among black people.  That was what I was getting at.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Terrence Condolini:</p>
<p>Yes, I think you missed several things.</p>
<p>My post discusses how the change in HIV rates vary in gay people between ethnic groups, as well as containing links to the fact that blacks are the ethnic groups with the highest rates.  You didn&#8217;t link to where you found that 50% figure, but since it is similar to figures in articles I already linked to that said that 44% of new HIV diagnoses in the US are in the black population, I wouldn&#8217;t be the least bit surprised if that 50% figure was accurate.  The high rate of HIV in black people is obvious in the map, and was explicitly discussed in the links.  I was focusing on other issues&#8212;particularly, recent <i>changes</i> in rates&#8212;but the racial distribution is quite obvious and undisputed.</p>
<p>My point in my comment to you was about a completely different statistic, the percentage of blacks who are gay versus the percentage of whites who are gay.  I don&#8217;t think that the large and disproportionate prevalence of blacks among HIV-positive people is necessarily explained by the fact that a slightly higher percentage of black people than white people declare themselves to be LGBT, because it&#8217;s possible some of those people are lesbians (who are not really a vector for HIV at all), and because the much higher proportion of black people among the HIV-population is much larger than the difference in reported homosexuality among black people.  That was what I was getting at.</p>
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		By: Terrence Condolini		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Terrence Condolini]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Sep 2017 19:13:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[ever hear of the term &quot;on the down low&quot;?

did i miss something or did you completely ignore the 50% infection rate?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ever hear of the term &#8220;on the down low&#8221;?</p>
<p>did i miss something or did you completely ignore the 50% infection rate?</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Sep 2017 18:44:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Terence Condolini:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.gallup.com/poll/201731/lgbt-identification-rises.aspx&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Here&lt;/a&gt; are the most recent figures on that.  I can&#039;t seem to find the full report, but from the summary I just linked you can see that slightly more black people than white people identify as LGBT (lesbian or gay or bisexual or transgendered).  It also says that the rates of LGBT identification are even higher in Hispanics and Asians than in black people.  

And yet HIV rates are not higher in those latter two populations.

What&#039;s more, the study said that more women than men identified as LGBT in their survey.  That would indicate that it&#039;s possible that the higher black figures (or higher Hispanic or higher Asian figures) might reflect higher levels of lesbianism in those groups, rather than higher levels of gay men.  The numbers weren&#039;t broken down in such a way that we would know, however.  So I don&#039;t see how to come to any conclusions about it vis a vis the incidence of HIV infection.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Terence Condolini:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.gallup.com/poll/201731/lgbt-identification-rises.aspx" rel="nofollow">Here</a> are the most recent figures on that.  I can&#8217;t seem to find the full report, but from the summary I just linked you can see that slightly more black people than white people identify as LGBT (lesbian or gay or bisexual or transgendered).  It also says that the rates of LGBT identification are even higher in Hispanics and Asians than in black people.  </p>
<p>And yet HIV rates are not higher in those latter two populations.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s more, the study said that more women than men identified as LGBT in their survey.  That would indicate that it&#8217;s possible that the higher black figures (or higher Hispanic or higher Asian figures) might reflect higher levels of lesbianism in those groups, rather than higher levels of gay men.  The numbers weren&#8217;t broken down in such a way that we would know, however.  So I don&#8217;t see how to come to any conclusions about it vis a vis the incidence of HIV infection.</p>
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		By: Terrence Condolini		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Sep 2017 17:52:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[it was recently reported that 50% of the gay black men in Atlanta are HIV+.  and there you have the reason the south is such an HIV hotspot.  another thing not generally known (or reported) is the higher incidence of gayness within the black community, with respect to other races.  probably due to higher T levels.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it was recently reported that 50% of the gay black men in Atlanta are HIV+.  and there you have the reason the south is such an HIV hotspot.  another thing not generally known (or reported) is the higher incidence of gayness within the black community, with respect to other races.  probably due to higher T levels.</p>
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