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		By: GRA		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2017/09/11/dennis-prager-on-conservatives-as-the-new-marranos/#comment-2256551</link>

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					<description><![CDATA[@ DNW: Wasn&#039;t Feinstein the same woman who busted a temple vein when questioning Gorsuch about his originalism approach to the Constitution?]]></description>
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		By: DNW		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2017/09/11/dennis-prager-on-conservatives-as-the-new-marranos/#comment-2256121</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Sep 2017 15:12:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Amy Vivian Coney Barrett. Law professor, and it seems, mother of seven. The New Marranno of the political world.

Senator Diane Feinstein detects that Barrett is one within whom the dogmas (of the Catholic Church) live loudly. Or at least loudly enough for the senator to detect. Perhaps it is the number of kids. Or her good looks, as conservatives apparently are better looking after all.

And this is &quot;of concern&quot; the senator says. 

Barrett&#039;s commitment to &#039;our secular faith&#039; and to an unconditionally shared fate within the context of an ever changing moral hive-mind sensibility, is apparently suspect.

Well, the Marrannos apparently had no better option or alternative than to live as fellows and political associates with those who despised them for what they were.

Americans do have alternatives. And cost benefit - or survival - calculations eventually do come into play. The cost of one&#039;s perpetually suffering the projection and offloading of liberal neuroses, and personality deficits, and organic dysfunctions, onto you and everyone else through the agency of the state (&quot;this is how we take care of each other&quot;) does, to put it plainly, exceed the benefits delivered by any political association with them.

Nature itself will bring about a reckoning, if not man himself. The progressive conceit is that they are good enough at manipulating reality, and know enough about it, so that no matter what happens they will always stay one or two steps head of cause and effect.

History shows that that is not a good bet.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amy Vivian Coney Barrett. Law professor, and it seems, mother of seven. The New Marranno of the political world.</p>
<p>Senator Diane Feinstein detects that Barrett is one within whom the dogmas (of the Catholic Church) live loudly. Or at least loudly enough for the senator to detect. Perhaps it is the number of kids. Or her good looks, as conservatives apparently are better looking after all.</p>
<p>And this is &#8220;of concern&#8221; the senator says. </p>
<p>Barrett&#8217;s commitment to &#8216;our secular faith&#8217; and to an unconditionally shared fate within the context of an ever changing moral hive-mind sensibility, is apparently suspect.</p>
<p>Well, the Marrannos apparently had no better option or alternative than to live as fellows and political associates with those who despised them for what they were.</p>
<p>Americans do have alternatives. And cost benefit &#8211; or survival &#8211; calculations eventually do come into play. The cost of one&#8217;s perpetually suffering the projection and offloading of liberal neuroses, and personality deficits, and organic dysfunctions, onto you and everyone else through the agency of the state (&#8220;this is how we take care of each other&#8221;) does, to put it plainly, exceed the benefits delivered by any political association with them.</p>
<p>Nature itself will bring about a reckoning, if not man himself. The progressive conceit is that they are good enough at manipulating reality, and know enough about it, so that no matter what happens they will always stay one or two steps head of cause and effect.</p>
<p>History shows that that is not a good bet.</p>
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		By: Ymar Sakar		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Sep 2017 21:00:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[https://ymarsakar.wordpress.com/2017/09/13/factions-in-the-alt-right/

What&#039;s going on in the Ctrl Left vs Alt Right won&#039;t be found from Trum, the news, or the media. The more people here talk about them, the more distracted they are.

People were the same way in 2007, 2012, which is why they didn&#039;t believe my warnings. Which was fine, since I told them that the Left would stop on their face enough times to convince me, I didn&#039;t have to lift a finger. And guess who Anti Fa just stomped.]]></description>
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<p>What&#8217;s going on in the Ctrl Left vs Alt Right won&#8217;t be found from Trum, the news, or the media. The more people here talk about them, the more distracted they are.</p>
<p>People were the same way in 2007, 2012, which is why they didn&#8217;t believe my warnings. Which was fine, since I told them that the Left would stop on their face enough times to convince me, I didn&#8217;t have to lift a finger. And guess who Anti Fa just stomped.</p>
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		By: Ymar Sakar		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Sep 2017 20:57:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;There’s not enough of them to elect anybody.&lt;/b&gt;

Numbers wise they were less than traditional factions, but propaganda wise they were worth far more than the campaign contributions of various pacs put together.

And it was the propaganda that Democrat &quot;working class&quot; needed to push them into leaving the Democrat party, for one Presidential election at least. This averted the HRC scheme of voter fraud, which was focused on Democrat cities, ignoring the Democrat hinterlands.
&lt;b&gt;The Antifa bunch is a much greater threat to the country than the alt-right has ever been. The Antifa’s want to gather power to themselves in order to rule over others. &lt;/b&gt;

Those like me already were talking about the AntiFa before the AntiFa.

People didn&#039;t listen back then, nor are you going to listen now. What else is new.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>There’s not enough of them to elect anybody.</b></p>
<p>Numbers wise they were less than traditional factions, but propaganda wise they were worth far more than the campaign contributions of various pacs put together.</p>
<p>And it was the propaganda that Democrat &#8220;working class&#8221; needed to push them into leaving the Democrat party, for one Presidential election at least. This averted the HRC scheme of voter fraud, which was focused on Democrat cities, ignoring the Democrat hinterlands.<br />
<b>The Antifa bunch is a much greater threat to the country than the alt-right has ever been. The Antifa’s want to gather power to themselves in order to rule over others. </b></p>
<p>Those like me already were talking about the AntiFa before the AntiFa.</p>
<p>People didn&#8217;t listen back then, nor are you going to listen now. What else is new.</p>
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		By: Irv		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Sep 2017 15:28:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I didn&#039;t say ignore the outliers.  I said that you can&#039;t ascribe the actions or motives of the outliers to the group as a whole.  That should be obvious from the fact that they are outliers and not the voice of the majority of the group.  That is the essence of the fallacy.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t say ignore the outliers.  I said that you can&#8217;t ascribe the actions or motives of the outliers to the group as a whole.  That should be obvious from the fact that they are outliers and not the voice of the majority of the group.  That is the essence of the fallacy.</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Sep 2017 15:02:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Every side has its fervent supporters. It’s never fair or reasonable to judge a group by the outliers of that group. &lt;/i&gt;

Irv: I consider it foolish to ignore the outliers of a group.

For instance, the outliers of National Review conservatives aren&#039;t the same as Trump outliers.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Every side has its fervent supporters. It’s never fair or reasonable to judge a group by the outliers of that group. </i></p>
<p>Irv: I consider it foolish to ignore the outliers of a group.</p>
<p>For instance, the outliers of National Review conservatives aren&#8217;t the same as Trump outliers.</p>
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		By: Irv		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Irv]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Sep 2017 13:14:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Every side has its fervent supporters.  It&#039;s never fair or reasonable to judge a group by the outliers of that group.  That&#039;s what liberals and their supporters do to conservatives and Trump often.

If David Duke says he agrees with any of Trump&#039;s policies then the policies must be racist (argumentum ad populem also known as the genetic fallacy.)  I learned about that in a freshman logic class almost 60 years ago.  I suspect that most of the media know it too but disregard it in the case of conservatives.

The media then compounds their error by  using a reverse but similar logic to support liberals.  They often say that the liberals actions con&#039;t be judged bad because there are some outliers that aren&#039;t bad.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Every side has its fervent supporters.  It&#8217;s never fair or reasonable to judge a group by the outliers of that group.  That&#8217;s what liberals and their supporters do to conservatives and Trump often.</p>
<p>If David Duke says he agrees with any of Trump&#8217;s policies then the policies must be racist (argumentum ad populem also known as the genetic fallacy.)  I learned about that in a freshman logic class almost 60 years ago.  I suspect that most of the media know it too but disregard it in the case of conservatives.</p>
<p>The media then compounds their error by  using a reverse but similar logic to support liberals.  They often say that the liberals actions con&#8217;t be judged bad because there are some outliers that aren&#8217;t bad.</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Sep 2017 09:21:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;The “conservative” position allows for disagreement without personal rancor; the “liberal” position demands war.&lt;/i&gt;

AesopFan: That&#039;s a nice theory which is tougher in practice and falls apart entirely when it comes to Trump and his more fervent supporters.

It felt pretty much the same to me when one old friend dumped me because I supported George W. Bush and another old friend dumped me because I didn&#039;t like Trump.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The “conservative” position allows for disagreement without personal rancor; the “liberal” position demands war.</i></p>
<p>AesopFan: That&#8217;s a nice theory which is tougher in practice and falls apart entirely when it comes to Trump and his more fervent supporters.</p>
<p>It felt pretty much the same to me when one old friend dumped me because I supported George W. Bush and another old friend dumped me because I didn&#8217;t like Trump.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Sep 2017 04:28:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[DNW Says: 
September 12th, 2017 at 11:03 am
” huxley Says:
September 11th, 2017 at 9:07 pm

DNW: If I may ask, to what extent is it social war if I disagree with you? “

Well, I can try and explain at least.

You can disagree with me to any extent at all and it will never be social war, as long as it costs me nothing and troubles me not at all in terms of real world obligations, and involuntary transfers of productive effort. LOL
* * *
Actually, this isn&#039;t too far off the mark (see Irv&#039;s comment following this one).
The &quot;conservative&quot; position allows for disagreement without personal rancor; the &quot;liberal&quot; position demands war.

(I should have made my usual caveat above with my reply to Irv: today&#039;s Left is in no way to be considered liberal in the classical sense.  They are authoritarian socialists -- proto if not complete fascists.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DNW Says:<br />
September 12th, 2017 at 11:03 am<br />
” huxley Says:<br />
September 11th, 2017 at 9:07 pm</p>
<p>DNW: If I may ask, to what extent is it social war if I disagree with you? “</p>
<p>Well, I can try and explain at least.</p>
<p>You can disagree with me to any extent at all and it will never be social war, as long as it costs me nothing and troubles me not at all in terms of real world obligations, and involuntary transfers of productive effort. LOL<br />
* * *<br />
Actually, this isn&#8217;t too far off the mark (see Irv&#8217;s comment following this one).<br />
The &#8220;conservative&#8221; position allows for disagreement without personal rancor; the &#8220;liberal&#8221; position demands war.</p>
<p>(I should have made my usual caveat above with my reply to Irv: today&#8217;s Left is in no way to be considered liberal in the classical sense.  They are authoritarian socialists &#8212; proto if not complete fascists.)</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Sep 2017 04:24:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Irv Says: 
September 12th, 2017 at 3:56 pm
It appears to me that the problem lies with how people view themselves and others. ... To conservatives, religion and politics are separate entities. It’s possible, religiously speaking, to be a good person and hold many different political views and the same is true of morally bad people. Conservatives judge people based on their motives and judge policies based on their outcomes. 
... (RTWT)
* * 
A thoughtful essay, and IMO generally hits the target.
Of course, not all conservatives and liberals can be characterized this way (overlapping distributions and all that stat stuff), and some will complain that it doesn&#039;t address actual policies and ideologies at all, which is the usual mode of distinguishing the two sides, but I think it is now the most accurate descriptor.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Irv Says:<br />
September 12th, 2017 at 3:56 pm<br />
It appears to me that the problem lies with how people view themselves and others. &#8230; To conservatives, religion and politics are separate entities. It’s possible, religiously speaking, to be a good person and hold many different political views and the same is true of morally bad people. Conservatives judge people based on their motives and judge policies based on their outcomes.<br />
&#8230; (RTWT)<br />
* *<br />
A thoughtful essay, and IMO generally hits the target.<br />
Of course, not all conservatives and liberals can be characterized this way (overlapping distributions and all that stat stuff), and some will complain that it doesn&#8217;t address actual policies and ideologies at all, which is the usual mode of distinguishing the two sides, but I think it is now the most accurate descriptor.</p>
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