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		By: Matt_SE		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2017/09/07/trump-and-the-debt-ceiling/#comment-2254003</link>

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					<description><![CDATA[Maybe Trump thought he was playing the Dems off the GOP, but if they both belong to the uniparty, then it&#039;s closer to say that they&#039;re teaming up to good cop/bad cop Trump.

...assuming Trump isn&#039;t on their side.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe Trump thought he was playing the Dems off the GOP, but if they both belong to the uniparty, then it&#8217;s closer to say that they&#8217;re teaming up to good cop/bad cop Trump.</p>
<p>&#8230;assuming Trump isn&#8217;t on their side.</p>
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		By: parker		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2017/09/07/trump-and-the-debt-ceiling/#comment-2253954</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Sep 2017 22:15:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;How do you stop a runaway train, how do you stop the driving rain, how do you stop the ripening corn, how do you stop a baby being born? Choose and you lose if you hesitate.&quot;

Too late. There is no Republic. We are all on our own. Going artfldgr.... learn to grow preserve food, how to hunt and butcher, reload, etc. So it goes when the lights go out. You and your&#039;s are on your own. If you live in a metro area you have my pity.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;How do you stop a runaway train, how do you stop the driving rain, how do you stop the ripening corn, how do you stop a baby being born? Choose and you lose if you hesitate.&#8221;</p>
<p>Too late. There is no Republic. We are all on our own. Going artfldgr&#8230;. learn to grow preserve food, how to hunt and butcher, reload, etc. So it goes when the lights go out. You and your&#8217;s are on your own. If you live in a metro area you have my pity.</p>
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		By: Irv		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2017/09/07/trump-and-the-debt-ceiling/#comment-2253905</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Irv]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Sep 2017 19:27:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Neo - I agree that the split goes back a long way but I believe it was largely ineffective until the Tea Party.

See this:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3sfyXhSeSM for the country song I referred to.  It was on my mind because I heard it on a classic country station on the radio in the last few weeks.  However I am suitably impressed with your memory of the other lyrics.

Bill - If Trump loses the Republican congress then he&#039;ll govern as a Democrat and make deals with them.  He&#039;s a businessman, not an ideologue.  He&#039;ll deal with whoever he has to in order to be successful.  His definition of success is very flexible.  He can make any percentage of getting what he wants into a success.

I always told my son that the way to be sure your decisions are the best ones is to make the decision and then make it into the best one.  In the words of Charles Swindoll &quot;I am convinced that life is 10% what happens to me and 90% how I react to it.&quot;

Trump isn&#039;t successful because he always gets his way.  He&#039;s successful because he adapts.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neo &#8211; I agree that the split goes back a long way but I believe it was largely ineffective until the Tea Party.</p>
<p>See this:  <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3sfyXhSeSM" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3sfyXhSeSM</a> for the country song I referred to.  It was on my mind because I heard it on a classic country station on the radio in the last few weeks.  However I am suitably impressed with your memory of the other lyrics.</p>
<p>Bill &#8211; If Trump loses the Republican congress then he&#8217;ll govern as a Democrat and make deals with them.  He&#8217;s a businessman, not an ideologue.  He&#8217;ll deal with whoever he has to in order to be successful.  His definition of success is very flexible.  He can make any percentage of getting what he wants into a success.</p>
<p>I always told my son that the way to be sure your decisions are the best ones is to make the decision and then make it into the best one.  In the words of Charles Swindoll &#8220;I am convinced that life is 10% what happens to me and 90% how I react to it.&#8221;</p>
<p>Trump isn&#8217;t successful because he always gets his way.  He&#8217;s successful because he adapts.</p>
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		By: ColoComment		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2017/09/07/trump-and-the-debt-ceiling/#comment-2253902</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Sep 2017 19:24:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Neo, sorry I left off the /sarc from the &quot;abhorrent&quot; comment. It was written with tongue firmly in cheek.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neo, sorry I left off the /sarc from the &#8220;abhorrent&#8221; comment. It was written with tongue firmly in cheek.</p>
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		By: arfldgrs		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2017/09/07/trump-and-the-debt-ceiling/#comment-2253897</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Sep 2017 19:08:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[havent learned the frenc turn yet, eh?

on another note.. 
&lt;blockquote&gt;
History is full of examples of Mass Hysterias. They happen fairly often. The cool thing about mass hysterias is that you don’t know when you are in one. But sometimes the people who are not experiencing the mass hysteria can recognize when others are experiencing one, if they know what to look for.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

because that is what is going on once again

And i dare you to ask one question to know why and what and why it wont stop...  in all the changes feminists have made to our culture, including the racialists and united fronts. is there anything that they or any of them will say is bad or wrong?  if not, then your stuck on a train with no brakes and thats why things are going to keep coming... what else happens when people who are in power claim they arent and have no brakes?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>havent learned the frenc turn yet, eh?</p>
<p>on another note.. </p>
<blockquote><p>
History is full of examples of Mass Hysterias. They happen fairly often. The cool thing about mass hysterias is that you don’t know when you are in one. But sometimes the people who are not experiencing the mass hysteria can recognize when others are experiencing one, if they know what to look for.</p></blockquote>
<p>because that is what is going on once again</p>
<p>And i dare you to ask one question to know why and what and why it wont stop&#8230;  in all the changes feminists have made to our culture, including the racialists and united fronts. is there anything that they or any of them will say is bad or wrong?  if not, then your stuck on a train with no brakes and thats why things are going to keep coming&#8230; what else happens when people who are in power claim they arent and have no brakes?</p>
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		By: Richard Saunders		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2017/09/07/trump-and-the-debt-ceiling/#comment-2253875</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Sep 2017 18:22:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Trump has now sent out Morse code, semaphore flags, and smoke signals to the Congressional Republicans.  Maybe this will work.  Otherwise ---

In a mountain town during the Gold Rush, a mule skinner was hitting his lead mule over the head with a 2 x 4.  The town school marm saw him and rushed over.  &quot;Mister, what are you doing? You&#039;re abusing that poor animal!&quot;
&quot;Lady, I would never abuse these animals!  I make my living from them!  I feed my family  with them!  I&#039;d never hurt them!&quot;
&quot;But I just saw you hitting that mule over the head with a two-by-four!  What do you call that?&quot;
&quot;Oh, I wasn&#039;t hurting him, ma&#039;am -- I was just getting his attention!&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trump has now sent out Morse code, semaphore flags, and smoke signals to the Congressional Republicans.  Maybe this will work.  Otherwise &#8212;</p>
<p>In a mountain town during the Gold Rush, a mule skinner was hitting his lead mule over the head with a 2 x 4.  The town school marm saw him and rushed over.  &#8220;Mister, what are you doing? You&#8217;re abusing that poor animal!&#8221;<br />
&#8220;Lady, I would never abuse these animals!  I make my living from them!  I feed my family  with them!  I&#8217;d never hurt them!&#8221;<br />
&#8220;But I just saw you hitting that mule over the head with a two-by-four!  What do you call that?&#8221;<br />
&#8220;Oh, I wasn&#8217;t hurting him, ma&#8217;am &#8212; I was just getting his attention!&#8221;</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2017/09/07/trump-and-the-debt-ceiling/#comment-2253874</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Sep 2017 18:17:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Irv:

Two things re your comment at 1:13.

The first is that the split in the GOP goes back FAR earlier than 2000.  The Goldwater/Rockefeller years were emblematic of the split.  The proportions were different at the time, as well as the issues that were emphasized, but the split was the same and it was there.

Second thing is that the song you cite is not a country song.  It&#039;s a Broadway musical song, from &quot;Finian&#039;s Rainbow.&quot;  It was produced in 1947 and had some great songs with great lyrics.  That was one of them; it was sung in the musical by a leprechaun in the process of becoming a human.  Another verse is (I am doing this from memory and I want you to be suitably impressed :-) ):

&quot;As I&#039;m more and more a mortal,
I am more and more a case.
When I&#039;m not facing the face that I fancy
I fancy the face I face...&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Irv:</p>
<p>Two things re your comment at 1:13.</p>
<p>The first is that the split in the GOP goes back FAR earlier than 2000.  The Goldwater/Rockefeller years were emblematic of the split.  The proportions were different at the time, as well as the issues that were emphasized, but the split was the same and it was there.</p>
<p>Second thing is that the song you cite is not a country song.  It&#8217;s a Broadway musical song, from &#8220;Finian&#8217;s Rainbow.&#8221;  It was produced in 1947 and had some great songs with great lyrics.  That was one of them; it was sung in the musical by a leprechaun in the process of becoming a human.  Another verse is (I am doing this from memory and I want you to be suitably impressed 🙂 ):</p>
<p>&#8220;As I&#8217;m more and more a mortal,<br />
I am more and more a case.<br />
When I&#8217;m not facing the face that I fancy<br />
I fancy the face I face&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Sep 2017 18:03:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[ColoComment:

Of course it wasn&#039;t abhorrent to the whole GOP.  Who ever said it was?  The GOP is composed of a group of people who are widely divergent from one another in their views.  That&#039;s one of the problems with getting legislation passed compared to when Democrats do it; somehow the Democrats manage to unite.

Plus, I am sure there are some GOP members who voted for it because it was a done deal and Trump negotiated it, who would not have supported it without his lead.

The Democrats voted unanimously FOR the bill. The GOP representatives &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/house-approves-harvey-relief-debt-ceiling-spending-bill-in-vote-that-splits-gop/article/2633813&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;were split&lt;/a&gt; 133/90.  So all 90 votes against the bill were from the GOP.  This is quite an unusual split, indicating that the bill is basically something the Democrats love and the Republicans are split on.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ColoComment:</p>
<p>Of course it wasn&#8217;t abhorrent to the whole GOP.  Who ever said it was?  The GOP is composed of a group of people who are widely divergent from one another in their views.  That&#8217;s one of the problems with getting legislation passed compared to when Democrats do it; somehow the Democrats manage to unite.</p>
<p>Plus, I am sure there are some GOP members who voted for it because it was a done deal and Trump negotiated it, who would not have supported it without his lead.</p>
<p>The Democrats voted unanimously FOR the bill. The GOP representatives <a href="http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/house-approves-harvey-relief-debt-ceiling-spending-bill-in-vote-that-splits-gop/article/2633813" rel="nofollow">were split</a> 133/90.  So all 90 votes against the bill were from the GOP.  This is quite an unusual split, indicating that the bill is basically something the Democrats love and the Republicans are split on.</p>
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		By: Bill		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2017/09/07/trump-and-the-debt-ceiling/#comment-2253869</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Sep 2017 18:02:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;&quot;Either way Trump will be okay.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

If Trump loses the Republican congress and gets a congress full of Democrats who absolutely hate him (which they do) he won&#039;t be &quot;ok&quot;. He may be able to somehow spin that as a &quot;win&quot; and his true-blue followers, who somehow believe Trump is never to blame for anything, will buy it. But his true-blue followers are not a majority of the country. Not even close.

Trump won a historic victory in November 2016, and I believe that since then many of his followers assume that he can&#039;t lose. I think it&#039;s unwise to think that. Ever, about any politician. Especially one who, with all his media savvy and persuasive skills, is still a political novice.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;Either way Trump will be okay.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>If Trump loses the Republican congress and gets a congress full of Democrats who absolutely hate him (which they do) he won&#8217;t be &#8220;ok&#8221;. He may be able to somehow spin that as a &#8220;win&#8221; and his true-blue followers, who somehow believe Trump is never to blame for anything, will buy it. But his true-blue followers are not a majority of the country. Not even close.</p>
<p>Trump won a historic victory in November 2016, and I believe that since then many of his followers assume that he can&#8217;t lose. I think it&#8217;s unwise to think that. Ever, about any politician. Especially one who, with all his media savvy and persuasive skills, is still a political novice.</p>
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		By: ColoComment		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2017/09/07/trump-and-the-debt-ceiling/#comment-2253859</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Sep 2017 17:41:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I guess the &quot;deal&quot; wasn&#039;t THAT abhorrent after all (text lifted verbatim from a comment at Althouse):

&quot;The House easily cleared a package Friday to provide more than $15 billion in disaster aid for victims of Hurricane Harvey, raise the debt ceiling and fund the government for three months.

President Donald Trump is expected to swiftly sign the bill, which delivered on the fiscal deal he struck with Democrats earlier this week. The House passed the legislation 316-90, a day after the Senate passed it, 80-17.&quot;

President Trump&#039;s deal with the Devils seems to have had a lot of Republican support.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess the &#8220;deal&#8221; wasn&#8217;t THAT abhorrent after all (text lifted verbatim from a comment at Althouse):</p>
<p>&#8220;The House easily cleared a package Friday to provide more than $15 billion in disaster aid for victims of Hurricane Harvey, raise the debt ceiling and fund the government for three months.</p>
<p>President Donald Trump is expected to swiftly sign the bill, which delivered on the fiscal deal he struck with Democrats earlier this week. The House passed the legislation 316-90, a day after the Senate passed it, 80-17.&#8221;</p>
<p>President Trump&#8217;s deal with the Devils seems to have had a lot of Republican support.</p>
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