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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[The Other Chuck Says: 
September 7th, 2017 at 12:04 am
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(Aesop, I have some 25 y/o Drambuie that will soothe that headache.)
* * *
Appreciation for the generous offer, and I (figuratively) take you up on it; however, (literally) chocolate will have to suffice.
Given the political climate of today, if I weren&#039;t a Mormon, I would be an alcoholic.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Other Chuck Says:<br />
September 7th, 2017 at 12:04 am<br />
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<p>(Aesop, I have some 25 y/o Drambuie that will soothe that headache.)<br />
* * *<br />
Appreciation for the generous offer, and I (figuratively) take you up on it; however, (literally) chocolate will have to suffice.<br />
Given the political climate of today, if I weren&#8217;t a Mormon, I would be an alcoholic.</p>
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		By: The Other Chuck		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Other Chuck]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Sep 2017 05:05:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Neo, I&#039;m sure you&#039;re right that ending DACA as it now stands wouldn&#039;t mean automatic deportation. However, because close to 800,000 people filled out applications and in the process gave a lot of information to the government, it sure would be easy to find them, wouldn&#039;t it? 

We&#039;ve needed real border enforcement for many years, and not just because of the illegal immigration. Drug smuggling, gangs, and terrorist infiltration are equally important. Those reasons should have been emphasized more. Trying to make scapegoats of field hands, dishwashers, and gardeners is petty.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neo, I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;re right that ending DACA as it now stands wouldn&#8217;t mean automatic deportation. However, because close to 800,000 people filled out applications and in the process gave a lot of information to the government, it sure would be easy to find them, wouldn&#8217;t it? </p>
<p>We&#8217;ve needed real border enforcement for many years, and not just because of the illegal immigration. Drug smuggling, gangs, and terrorist infiltration are equally important. Those reasons should have been emphasized more. Trying to make scapegoats of field hands, dishwashers, and gardeners is petty.</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo-neocon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Sep 2017 04:10:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The Other Chuck:

By the way, ending DACA is not the same as deporting DREAMERS. The two are often conflated, but they are not the same.

DACA gave the DREAMERS official status and benefits.  They no longer had to live under the threat of possible deportation.  But it was rare that they were deported.

Ending DACA wouldn&#039;t mean they would be deported, unless a special deportation policy was issued.  It would actually probably mean going back to the way it was, pre-DACA.

At least, that&#039;s my understanding of the situation.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Other Chuck:</p>
<p>By the way, ending DACA is not the same as deporting DREAMERS. The two are often conflated, but they are not the same.</p>
<p>DACA gave the DREAMERS official status and benefits.  They no longer had to live under the threat of possible deportation.  But it was rare that they were deported.</p>
<p>Ending DACA wouldn&#8217;t mean they would be deported, unless a special deportation policy was issued.  It would actually probably mean going back to the way it was, pre-DACA.</p>
<p>At least, that&#8217;s my understanding of the situation.</p>
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		By: The Other Chuck		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Other Chuck]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Sep 2017 04:04:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve never been fond of police entrapment because the government is complicit in the crime. For the same reason I&#039;m even more against punishing millions of people who were enticed to break the law by decades of government neglect enforcing it. It&#039;s like we laid out a welcome mat. Free education. Free medical care. Jobs for the taking. Driver&#039;s licenses. And only token enforcement. The government winked. But now we&#039;re going to get tough. Yeah. Right. Don&#039;t make me laugh. 

This is all show. Neither the Dreamers nor their parents will be deported. What did Trump just Tweet? If congress doesn&#039;t pass &quot;legal&quot; amnesty he will revisit it in 6 months. What, a new, better, GREAT DACA? 

(Aesop, I have some 25 y/o Drambuie that will soothe that headache.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve never been fond of police entrapment because the government is complicit in the crime. For the same reason I&#8217;m even more against punishing millions of people who were enticed to break the law by decades of government neglect enforcing it. It&#8217;s like we laid out a welcome mat. Free education. Free medical care. Jobs for the taking. Driver&#8217;s licenses. And only token enforcement. The government winked. But now we&#8217;re going to get tough. Yeah. Right. Don&#8217;t make me laugh. </p>
<p>This is all show. Neither the Dreamers nor their parents will be deported. What did Trump just Tweet? If congress doesn&#8217;t pass &#8220;legal&#8221; amnesty he will revisit it in 6 months. What, a new, better, GREAT DACA? </p>
<p>(Aesop, I have some 25 y/o Drambuie that will soothe that headache.)</p>
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		By: blert		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[blert]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Sep 2017 02:40:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The typical DACA child is 25 years old.

Obviously old enough to be a parent.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The typical DACA child is 25 years old.</p>
<p>Obviously old enough to be a parent.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Sep 2017 02:38:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Well, this is a fine mess.

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/451130/trump-tweet-signals-daca-retreat-rescind-obama-executive-action-enshrine-law

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2017/09/worst-trump-tweet-ever.php

https://www.steynonline.com/8090/dreams-delusions-and-duplicity]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, this is a fine mess.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nationalreview.com/article/451130/trump-tweet-signals-daca-retreat-rescind-obama-executive-action-enshrine-law" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.nationalreview.com/article/451130/trump-tweet-signals-daca-retreat-rescind-obama-executive-action-enshrine-law</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2017/09/worst-trump-tweet-ever.php" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2017/09/worst-trump-tweet-ever.php</a></p>
<p><a href="https://www.steynonline.com/8090/dreams-delusions-and-duplicity" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.steynonline.com/8090/dreams-delusions-and-duplicity</a></p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Sep 2017 01:20:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A couple of interesting takes on the DACA question:
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/09/05/punish-americans-heritage-reward-dreamers-daca-outrage-exposes-left/


&quot;If the argument goes that “Dreamers” should not be punished for the actions of their parents, then why should modern Americans be punished for the actions of their grandparents, or even their European ancestors?

...

It is this conundrum, this duplicity, and this anti-intellectualism that sets real America so drastically apart from the liberal left.

While New York’s “elite” would have you believe it they are smarter than the average American, it is the latter that instinctively understand “fairness” as a concept, and are able to strike the balance between morality, constitutionality, and common sense.

For Obama and his army of shrieking bleeding hearts – including many Republican legislators – the first of these notions is misplaced, and the last two are seemingly non-existent.

Not only should DACA be rescinded, it should become a test case for the facts that firstly: you may not seek to penalize descendants for non-crimes; secondly, you may not directly benefit from criminal acts (as Dreamers do) and expect special treatment.&quot;

http://www.breitbart.com/big-hollywood/2017/09/06/modern-family-producer-christians-oppose-daca-amnesty-fk/

&quot;It is shockingly easy to appear gracious and “correct” and virtuous when you’re a rich elitist living behind gates, working behind mammoth studio walls, and never coming into contact with the real world results of your limousine leftism.

As a Christian who makes a living in a field that is under no threat from an amnesty recipient, I cannot think of anything less Christian than to burden others – primarily America’s already disenfranchised working class, most especially in urban areas – with my do-gooderism. That is not Christianity. That is a selfish form of vanity, which is a sin.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A couple of interesting takes on the DACA question:<br />
<a href="http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/09/05/punish-americans-heritage-reward-dreamers-daca-outrage-exposes-left/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/09/05/punish-americans-heritage-reward-dreamers-daca-outrage-exposes-left/</a></p>
<p>&#8220;If the argument goes that “Dreamers” should not be punished for the actions of their parents, then why should modern Americans be punished for the actions of their grandparents, or even their European ancestors?</p>
<p>&#8230;</p>
<p>It is this conundrum, this duplicity, and this anti-intellectualism that sets real America so drastically apart from the liberal left.</p>
<p>While New York’s “elite” would have you believe it they are smarter than the average American, it is the latter that instinctively understand “fairness” as a concept, and are able to strike the balance between morality, constitutionality, and common sense.</p>
<p>For Obama and his army of shrieking bleeding hearts – including many Republican legislators – the first of these notions is misplaced, and the last two are seemingly non-existent.</p>
<p>Not only should DACA be rescinded, it should become a test case for the facts that firstly: you may not seek to penalize descendants for non-crimes; secondly, you may not directly benefit from criminal acts (as Dreamers do) and expect special treatment.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.breitbart.com/big-hollywood/2017/09/06/modern-family-producer-christians-oppose-daca-amnesty-fk/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.breitbart.com/big-hollywood/2017/09/06/modern-family-producer-christians-oppose-daca-amnesty-fk/</a></p>
<p>&#8220;It is shockingly easy to appear gracious and “correct” and virtuous when you’re a rich elitist living behind gates, working behind mammoth studio walls, and never coming into contact with the real world results of your limousine leftism.</p>
<p>As a Christian who makes a living in a field that is under no threat from an amnesty recipient, I cannot think of anything less Christian than to burden others – primarily America’s already disenfranchised working class, most especially in urban areas – with my do-gooderism. That is not Christianity. That is a selfish form of vanity, which is a sin.&#8221;</p>
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		By: GRA		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Sep 2017 22:10:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The presentation of Dreamers is the same tactic pulled when advocating for same-sex &quot;marriage.&quot; First, isolate the target group. Second, define it. In this case it&#039;s putting forth teenagers with &quot;big dreams&quot; who are top students. Why would anyone be a dream killer? You conservatives said you wanted hard working, respectful (legal) immigrants so why are you stripping away these &quot;rights&quot;?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The presentation of Dreamers is the same tactic pulled when advocating for same-sex &#8220;marriage.&#8221; First, isolate the target group. Second, define it. In this case it&#8217;s putting forth teenagers with &#8220;big dreams&#8221; who are top students. Why would anyone be a dream killer? You conservatives said you wanted hard working, respectful (legal) immigrants so why are you stripping away these &#8220;rights&#8221;?</p>
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		By: LindaF		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LindaF]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Sep 2017 17:21:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A great part of the problem with the former Executive Action was that they didn&#039;t enforce the provisions, generous though they were:
- no attempt to verify age at entry, or current age
- ditto for continuous stay
- crimes were ignored
- education - or rather, lack of it - ignored

IF Congress would pass a bill, Democrats/Deep State would just ignore it again.

They ALL need to get on that bus.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A great part of the problem with the former Executive Action was that they didn&#8217;t enforce the provisions, generous though they were:<br />
&#8211; no attempt to verify age at entry, or current age<br />
&#8211; ditto for continuous stay<br />
&#8211; crimes were ignored<br />
&#8211; education &#8211; or rather, lack of it &#8211; ignored</p>
<p>IF Congress would pass a bill, Democrats/Deep State would just ignore it again.</p>
<p>They ALL need to get on that bus.</p>
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		By: Cap'n Rusty		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cap'n Rusty]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Sep 2017 13:52:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Cornhead:

I usually agree with you. Not this time. The issue is not compassion. The issue is the preservation of the rule of law. 

Trump was elected, &lt;i&gt;inter alia&lt;/i&gt;, to restore the rule of law, which means strict adherence to the Constitution. Obama took the law into his own hands, decreeing DACA because Congress wouldn&#039;t pass what &lt;b&gt;he&lt;/b&gt; wanted. That was blatantly unconstitutional. It was an impeachable offense. It was dictatorial.

President Trump has the Constituional authority to rescind DACA with the stroke of a pen, and should do so. The weeping, wailing and gnashing of teeth by people who have no one to blame other than their parents, are as nothing compared to the tragedy of the loss of the rule of law. After all, didn&#039;t their parents leave a lawless country to come here?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cornhead:</p>
<p>I usually agree with you. Not this time. The issue is not compassion. The issue is the preservation of the rule of law. </p>
<p>Trump was elected, <i>inter alia</i>, to restore the rule of law, which means strict adherence to the Constitution. Obama took the law into his own hands, decreeing DACA because Congress wouldn&#8217;t pass what <b>he</b> wanted. That was blatantly unconstitutional. It was an impeachable offense. It was dictatorial.</p>
<p>President Trump has the Constituional authority to rescind DACA with the stroke of a pen, and should do so. The weeping, wailing and gnashing of teeth by people who have no one to blame other than their parents, are as nothing compared to the tragedy of the loss of the rule of law. After all, didn&#8217;t their parents leave a lawless country to come here?</p>
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