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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ariel:

&quot;More trustworthy&quot; than I thought he would be during the campaign does &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; equal &quot;trustworthy.&quot;  Not by a longshot.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ariel:</p>
<p>&#8220;More trustworthy&#8221; than I thought he would be during the campaign does <i>not</i> equal &#8220;trustworthy.&#8221;  Not by a longshot.</p>
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		By: BrianE		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2017/08/26/presidents-and-lies/#comment-2249323</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Aug 2017 17:28:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;Trump, by his very nature, will exceed Jimmy Carter as the worst president in my life time.&lt;/strong&gt; - Ariel

That&#039;s a little premature. How Carter betrayed the shah and enabled the Ayatollah still ranks as a policy blunder of epic proportions.

I do think Carter will be Number 2 at some point. Obama will be remembered as the worst president in American history because of, once again, Iran.

If Trump&#039;s administration manages to contain North Korea, it&#039;s unlikely to ever be considered in the same league as Carter or Obama.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Trump, by his very nature, will exceed Jimmy Carter as the worst president in my life time.</strong> &#8211; Ariel</p>
<p>That&#8217;s a little premature. How Carter betrayed the shah and enabled the Ayatollah still ranks as a policy blunder of epic proportions.</p>
<p>I do think Carter will be Number 2 at some point. Obama will be remembered as the worst president in American history because of, once again, Iran.</p>
<p>If Trump&#8217;s administration manages to contain North Korea, it&#8217;s unlikely to ever be considered in the same league as Carter or Obama.</p>
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		By: BrianE		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2017/08/26/presidents-and-lies/#comment-2249317</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Aug 2017 17:16:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Brent Bozell gets right to the point.

&lt;strong&gt;All this talk about Trump this, and Trump that, masks a far bigger political controversy. The Republican Party leadership in Washington, D.C., has fundamentally betrayed its constituents and they are about to learn that they’ve been double-crossed – for years.&lt;/strong&gt;

And the punchline.

&lt;strong&gt;There is no difference between Republicans and Democrats. Put them together. They are the swamp.

Just as Republicans have the power to enact the agenda they’ve pledged in toto, so too do they now own the federal government, in toto. It’s no longer Obamacare. It’s GOPcare. It’s no longer crazy liberal Democratic spending. It’s crazy liberal Republican spending. It’s no longer socialist Democratic Party taxation, it’s socialist Republican Party taxation. All the legislation authorizing all these programs, all the graft, all the waste, all the obscenity, all the immorality, and where Planned Parenthood is concerned, all the killing – all of it is now formally authored by the Republican Party.&lt;/strong&gt;


http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/08/27/exclusive-brent-bozell-the-slow-death-of-the-republican-party/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brent Bozell gets right to the point.</p>
<p><strong>All this talk about Trump this, and Trump that, masks a far bigger political controversy. The Republican Party leadership in Washington, D.C., has fundamentally betrayed its constituents and they are about to learn that they’ve been double-crossed – for years.</strong></p>
<p>And the punchline.</p>
<p><strong>There is no difference between Republicans and Democrats. Put them together. They are the swamp.</p>
<p>Just as Republicans have the power to enact the agenda they’ve pledged in toto, so too do they now own the federal government, in toto. It’s no longer Obamacare. It’s GOPcare. It’s no longer crazy liberal Democratic spending. It’s crazy liberal Republican spending. It’s no longer socialist Democratic Party taxation, it’s socialist Republican Party taxation. All the legislation authorizing all these programs, all the graft, all the waste, all the obscenity, all the immorality, and where Planned Parenthood is concerned, all the killing – all of it is now formally authored by the Republican Party.</strong></p>
<p><a href="http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/08/27/exclusive-brent-bozell-the-slow-death-of-the-republican-party/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/08/27/exclusive-brent-bozell-the-slow-death-of-the-republican-party/</a></p>
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		By: BrianE		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2017/08/26/presidents-and-lies/#comment-2249304</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Aug 2017 16:38:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;&quot;Hell, one of the best Republican Senators the state of Arizona has ever offered is Flake, but Trump calls him ‘toxic’ because he doesn’t give Trump what he wants.&quot;&lt;/strong&gt;- Ariel

Hmmm. Flake&#039;s approval rating in Arizona is 18%. It appears your fellow Arizonians don&#039;t mirror your opinion.

&lt;strong&gt; ...but are for their idea of what society should be and the Constitution be damned.&lt;/strong&gt;- Ariel

I don&#039;t think it at all out of character that conservatives want to conserve a value system that built this country. It&#039;s certainly not at odds with the constitution.

Which probably brings us to the core issue that most are dancing around.

The founding principles of our country did not come from Eastern mysticism or African voodooism or Mesoamerican tradition of human sacrifice but from European philosophies formed by such events as the Magna Carta and the Protestant Reformation.

We&#039;ve seemed to have lost touch with this, and fallen prey to a multiculturalism that preaches all cultures are equal. They&#039;re not. We ignore this and imperil the fabric of the culture that brought us to this point.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>&#8220;Hell, one of the best Republican Senators the state of Arizona has ever offered is Flake, but Trump calls him ‘toxic’ because he doesn’t give Trump what he wants.&#8221;</strong>&#8211; Ariel</p>
<p>Hmmm. Flake&#8217;s approval rating in Arizona is 18%. It appears your fellow Arizonians don&#8217;t mirror your opinion.</p>
<p><strong> &#8230;but are for their idea of what society should be and the Constitution be damned.</strong>&#8211; Ariel</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think it at all out of character that conservatives want to conserve a value system that built this country. It&#8217;s certainly not at odds with the constitution.</p>
<p>Which probably brings us to the core issue that most are dancing around.</p>
<p>The founding principles of our country did not come from Eastern mysticism or African voodooism or Mesoamerican tradition of human sacrifice but from European philosophies formed by such events as the Magna Carta and the Protestant Reformation.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve seemed to have lost touch with this, and fallen prey to a multiculturalism that preaches all cultures are equal. They&#8217;re not. We ignore this and imperil the fabric of the culture that brought us to this point.</p>
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		By: BrianE		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2017/08/26/presidents-and-lies/#comment-2249283</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Aug 2017 15:43:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ariel,
Since you abandoned conservatism, what is your vision for healthcare reform?

Do you favor keeping expanded Medicaid?

I&#039;ve never said that Trump is a Republican. He&#039;s a Nationalist. You would think that would encompass a fairly large portion of the Republican world, but they remain enamored with Global trade and the open borders that logically extends from their position.

Trump is serving a valuable role, as Republicans and Democrats realize they&#039;re not a unified party, but already a party of coalitions.

Our system doesn&#039;t lend itself well to third parties, and a true third party would create all sorts of new problems. 

The courts have replaced the legislative function of Congress in many areas and had Hillary won, the Legislative Courtâ„¢ would have grown exponentially, which is why, for all his warts, I firmly support President Trump.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ariel,<br />
Since you abandoned conservatism, what is your vision for healthcare reform?</p>
<p>Do you favor keeping expanded Medicaid?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve never said that Trump is a Republican. He&#8217;s a Nationalist. You would think that would encompass a fairly large portion of the Republican world, but they remain enamored with Global trade and the open borders that logically extends from their position.</p>
<p>Trump is serving a valuable role, as Republicans and Democrats realize they&#8217;re not a unified party, but already a party of coalitions.</p>
<p>Our system doesn&#8217;t lend itself well to third parties, and a true third party would create all sorts of new problems. </p>
<p>The courts have replaced the legislative function of Congress in many areas and had Hillary won, the Legislative Courtâ„¢ would have grown exponentially, which is why, for all his warts, I firmly support President Trump.</p>
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		By: BrianE		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2017/08/26/presidents-and-lies/#comment-2249280</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Aug 2017 15:34:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Neo-neocon @ 4:40pm

I agree that trying to establish a national health insurance system is complex and the GOP finds itself as divided as the country looking for a solution. After all, legislators should be expressing views of their constituency, although their views should reflect their voters plus the advantage of a more knowledgeable view.

I take back my accusation of charlatans and accuse them of being hypocrites. Not all of them, but those that voted for the ACA repeal in 2015 and then refused to vote for even incremental changes to the bill in 2017. I&#039;m looking at you John McCain.

My objection is two-fold. Unprincipled Republicans were more than willing to make empty promises for votes-- stringing along gullible voters-- sort of like some here are accusing Trump of doing.

The second is the unwillingness to honestly tell the voters what their vision is and how they would pay for it. It&#039;s a universal problem with legislators-- promise shiny programs without presenting the bill at the same time.

If we actually knew what single payer would cost each person based on AGI, it might dampen the enthusiasm.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neo-neocon @ 4:40pm</p>
<p>I agree that trying to establish a national health insurance system is complex and the GOP finds itself as divided as the country looking for a solution. After all, legislators should be expressing views of their constituency, although their views should reflect their voters plus the advantage of a more knowledgeable view.</p>
<p>I take back my accusation of charlatans and accuse them of being hypocrites. Not all of them, but those that voted for the ACA repeal in 2015 and then refused to vote for even incremental changes to the bill in 2017. I&#8217;m looking at you John McCain.</p>
<p>My objection is two-fold. Unprincipled Republicans were more than willing to make empty promises for votes&#8211; stringing along gullible voters&#8211; sort of like some here are accusing Trump of doing.</p>
<p>The second is the unwillingness to honestly tell the voters what their vision is and how they would pay for it. It&#8217;s a universal problem with legislators&#8211; promise shiny programs without presenting the bill at the same time.</p>
<p>If we actually knew what single payer would cost each person based on AGI, it might dampen the enthusiasm.</p>
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		By: Ariel		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2017/08/26/presidents-and-lies/#comment-2249194</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Aug 2017 11:42:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[But, but, Neo, it is about the behavior.

&quot;Nothing about this has changed except now I have some data to go on for Trump’s behavior as president. In that respect he has kept his word–which is what I mean by trustworthy at the end of this post–much more than I expected.&quot; 

Actually, about everything he has promised has failed to be realized while his behavior is to claim it has been when it hasn&#039;t or will be in some nebulous future when those two other branches stop getting in his way. Integrity isn&#039;t just about pursuing a goal.

Making Executive Orders is not a successful presidency.

I think you and I have a different definition of &#039;trustworthy&#039;. I still respect you, Neo, but I think you&#039;re letting adhering to a political affiliation isn&#039;t clouding your judgment. BTW, I don&#039;t mean conservative because Trump isn&#039;t, he panders and that isn&#039;t the same as having convictions.

I&#039;m going to rest now.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But, but, Neo, it is about the behavior.</p>
<p>&#8220;Nothing about this has changed except now I have some data to go on for Trump’s behavior as president. In that respect he has kept his word–which is what I mean by trustworthy at the end of this post–much more than I expected.&#8221; </p>
<p>Actually, about everything he has promised has failed to be realized while his behavior is to claim it has been when it hasn&#8217;t or will be in some nebulous future when those two other branches stop getting in his way. Integrity isn&#8217;t just about pursuing a goal.</p>
<p>Making Executive Orders is not a successful presidency.</p>
<p>I think you and I have a different definition of &#8216;trustworthy&#8217;. I still respect you, Neo, but I think you&#8217;re letting adhering to a political affiliation isn&#8217;t clouding your judgment. BTW, I don&#8217;t mean conservative because Trump isn&#8217;t, he panders and that isn&#8217;t the same as having convictions.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m going to rest now.</p>
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		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2017/08/26/presidents-and-lies/#comment-2249192</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Aug 2017 11:27:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[BrianE Says:
August 28th, 2017 at 7:09 pm 

You do know that Independents don&#039;t fit into that nice Democrat or Republican framework?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BrianE Says:<br />
August 28th, 2017 at 7:09 pm </p>
<p>You do know that Independents don&#8217;t fit into that nice Democrat or Republican framework?</p>
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		By: Ariel		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Aug 2017 11:20:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ymar Sakar Says:
August 28th, 2017 at 8:10 pm 

So would that mean that 67% of the alt-right are former Republicans and some are still current?

It&#039;s a non-sequitur that you thought made a point. Not to mention you didn&#039;t back it up whatsoever. I do like the 1/3 nature, that&#039;s so American.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ymar Sakar Says:<br />
August 28th, 2017 at 8:10 pm </p>
<p>So would that mean that 67% of the alt-right are former Republicans and some are still current?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a non-sequitur that you thought made a point. Not to mention you didn&#8217;t back it up whatsoever. I do like the 1/3 nature, that&#8217;s so American.</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Aug 2017 11:19:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ymar Sakar Says:
August 28th, 2017 at 8:10 pm 

So would that mean that 67% of the alt-right are former Republicans and some are still current?

It&#039;s a non-sequitur that you thought made a point. Not to mention you didn&#039;t back it up whatsoever. I do like the 1/3 nature, that&#039;s so American.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ymar Sakar Says:<br />
August 28th, 2017 at 8:10 pm </p>
<p>So would that mean that 67% of the alt-right are former Republicans and some are still current?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a non-sequitur that you thought made a point. Not to mention you didn&#8217;t back it up whatsoever. I do like the 1/3 nature, that&#8217;s so American.</p>
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