I never got the “garden” thing because, like most of my age, we knew it was only possible because, like Kindergarten, the grownups were taking care of things including, as our fathers had, holding the perimeter. You had to be a particular kind of naive to think that having good thoughts and righteous music would keep the bad guys away. It was so bad that the guys keeping the bad guys away became the bad guys because they validated the idea that there were really bad guys which invalidated the idea that bad guys could be wished away.

See this.

Then there’s Thomas Jefferson.

Here’s another list (ignore the political judgements, it’s the list that counts).

Not to mention these.

A classmate of mine went to Woodstock. She was depressed by the mess, and ended up drawing feet. She ended up as a enough of an artist to have some New York gallery shows.

I cringe when I listen to CSNY’s Chicago. What a bunch of self-righteous fools! Was I THAT bad when I was young?
But John Lennon’s Imagine was about as bad.

Disclaimer: instead of going to Chicago, I hitched to California. I heard about Chicago just after getting back from a wonderful hike in the Sierras.

Richard Aubrey Says:
August 28th, 2017 at 4:34 pm

“If you ever wonder why the sixties cultural revolution was necessary, listen to a hit album by the Ray Conniff Singers, watch a Bob Hope variety special from NBC, try on a pair of Sansabelt polyester slacks, or choke down a Wonder Bread sandwich made with Welch’s grape jelly and Skippy creamy peanut butter spread. The hippies had a point.” Aug 21, 2017 By Andrew Ferguso

Not if you had more important things on your mind. This is a kind of superior virtue signaling.
You’re a loser if you like Ray Conniff, or Bob Hope. PB&J is for nourishment, not enjoyment. Wonderbread had lots of more substantial companions.
Sansabelt….so don’t buy them.

Sheesh.

Problem was, The Man expected you to show up for work, as scheduled and not stoned. And if something was wrong, in your opinion, it must be fixed or society was evil.”

Well, the comment was probably hyperbolic and not entirely serious I think. Though he was also I think trying to point to a certain kind of rigidity and stultification in the mainstream culture of the time.

You make a valid point as well; and I see no reason why some of the ritualistic rigidity could not have been dispensed with, without the accompanying moral anarchy and culturally suicidal trajectory.

As for myself, as a kid I liked seeing Bob Hope on TV.

My guess, stated here before, is that many things such as Vista Vision movie Westerns, the Jazz and Bossa Nova crazes, motorcycles, family camping, and even Country Music, were all attempts by people to broaden out or escape a little from a popular culture that had somehow been kind of corseted too tightly.

Having made something of a project in mining older movies and TV shows for elderly parents, I have noticed that even in films which were not intended to carry any social criticism freight, a parody worthy cultural sensibility was there for all to see.

It is most noticeable in the lower grade of romantic comedies and bedroom farces, wherein the farce was supposed to be found the situation, not the farcical coolness or values of the protagonists.

Think “Sunday in New York” or “Goodbye Charlie” or “I’d Rather be Rich” type stuff … 5 minutes in you want to puke your guts out.

Not if you had more important things on your mind. This is a kind of superior virtue signaling.
You’re a loser if you like Ray Conniff, or Bob Hope. PB&J is for nourishment, not enjoyment. Wonderbread had lots of more substantial companions.
Sansabelt….so don’t buy them.

Sheesh.

Problem was, The Man expected you to show up for work, as scheduled and not stoned. And if something was wrong, in your opinion, it must be fixed or society was evil.

Just for the heck of it, check out – if you have not already – rock guitarist Dave Edmunds and Love Sculpture’s version of Summertime. It’s on Youtube. Only gets going about half way through

He was 19? … I think

” CV Says:
August 26th, 2017 at 9:42 pm

Andrew Ferguson recently wrote about the Summer of Love in the Haight-Ashbury district in the Weekly Standard:

http://www.weeklystandard.com/flowers-in-their-hair/article/2009233”

“If you ever wonder why the sixties cultural revolution was necessary, listen to a hit album by the Ray Conniff Singers, watch a Bob Hope variety special from NBC, try on a pair of Sansabelt polyester slacks, or choke down a Wonder Bread sandwich made with Welch’s grape jelly and Skippy creamy peanut butter spread. The hippies had a point.” Aug 21, 2017 By Andrew Ferguson

After reading the quote above, I started sweating and had to check. Whew. Tank goudness I rote dis below before I red dat above,

“… some of the more Joan Baez-ian Ticky-Tack criticisms may have been justified. AM radio played a relentless string of corruptly formulated top 40 hits. The choice of “wingtip or penny loafers?” was taken as a serious social statement. Wiki refreshes a 4 year old’s memory by reminding us that the television line-up was 7 or 8 Warner Brothers back lot set cowboy shows recycling each others scripts, and how many ever Surfside-Sixy Hawaiian Eye detective shows. ” August 15th, 2017 at 11:09 am

There must be something in the air. So ya say ya want a revolution …?

Two things surprised me a bit about their performance. Their one big hit album was with Joplin and was entitled Cheap Thrills. The first surprise was that they brought a female vocalist that was a Joplin replacement, and the second surprise is that they just performed all of the Cheap Thrills tunes.

In a film bio of David Bowie, he said at one point in his life that he was proud that he had about 35 successful original tunes he could pull from on tour, but he was envious of someone like Dylan who had well over 100. Bowie said that there were about 15 tunes that he either hated or hated to perform, so that there were only about 20 that he enjoyed to perform.

So the Janis Joplin replacement was no Joplin, but the music was decent as they ticked off the Cheap Thrills songs. I got up to leave before they finished their set in order the beat the crowd, and when I was a block away I heard the sultry lead guitar melody that made me run back. It was their rendition of Gershwin’s Summertime from the opera Porgy and Bess.

When I got home I searched Summertime on Vevo and found the audio only track from the Cheap Thrills album plus a live performance by Annie Lennox which I’d guess is close to the original composition. Joplin’s performance is so amazing and it is surprising that parts of the song almost sound like a metal band. It really was a time of great musical creativity. Which is not to say that there weren’t other historical periods of great musical creativity.

not my circus, not my monkeys
Metaphysics of War, Evola

Why the left thinks conservatives are nazis..
Conservative Revolutionary Ernst Jé¼nger
The Conservative Revolutionary movement (German: Konservative Revolution) was a German national conservative movement, prominent in the years following the First World War. The Conservative Revolutionary school of thought advocated a new conservatism and nationalism that was specifically German, or Prussian in particular. Like other conservative movements in the same period, they sought to put a stop to the rising tide of liberalism and communism.

Outraged by liberalism and egalitarianism, and rejecting the commercial culture of industrial and urban civilization, they advocated the destruction of the liberal order, by revolutionary means if necessary, in order to make way for the establishment of a new order, founded on conservative principles. The movement had a wide influence among many of Germany’s most gifted youth, universities, and middle classes.

The term “Conservative Revolution” predates the First World War

yeah. from that period i keep bringing up and getting yelled at for

the writer Hugo von Hofmannsthal and the political theorist Edgar Julius Jung were instrumental in making this term an established concept of the Weimar period. Thomas Mann used the term to describe Friedrich Nietzsche, whose philosophy greatly influenced many of the thinkers associated with the movement

the ground work that would become something else!!!

Arthur Moeller van den Bruck was the dominant figure of the conservative revolution in the Weimar republic

[and both communism and fascism was to crush it, then figure out after who owned what… ]

here is the source that conservativism is nazism…
they know this, i know this, and others do
but you wont get thanks for showing the rubes
they rubes care more about ego than knowing…
they are never thankful to hear what they missed
NEVER

Rejecting reactionary conservatism, he proposed a new state, a ‘Third Reich’ which would unite all classes under authoritarian rule based on a combination of the nationalism of the right and the socialism of the left.

Jung promoted a fascist version of Conservative Revolution from the 1920s to the 1930s, which like fascism, spoke of nations as being singular organic entities; attacked individualism while promoting militarism and war; promoted “total mobilization” of human and industrial resources; and promoting the productive power of modernity, similar to the futurism espoused by Italian Fascism.

While Carl Schmitt promoted anti-Semitic views, he claimed that he held no fondness towards the National Socialism of Adolf Hitler which he considered to be too vulgar.

Hermann Rauschning was typical of the Conservative Revolutionaries. For Rauschning the Conservative Revolution “meant the prewar monarchic-Christian revolt against modernity that made a devil’s pact with Hitler during the Weimar period”.

well Schmitt got his ideas from engels magyar struggle that detailed this stuff above as they thought they would fulfi8ll these ideas… just as huxley was telling the plots of his brother and communists…

The Conservative Revolutionaries held an ambivalent view of the Nazis
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After 1933 some of the proponents of the conservative revolutionary movement were persecuted by the Nazis, most notably by the SS of Heinrich Himmler, who wanted to prevent reactionaries from opposing or deviating from the Hitler regime in this early time. Jung would lose his life in the ‘Night of the Long Knives’ and this would for many Conservative Revolutionaries end the alliance between them and the Nazis. Rauschning came “to the bitter conclusion that the Nazi regime represented anything other than the longed-for German revolution” and his position was “generally typically of the majority” of Conservative Revolutionaries.

Some conservative revolutionary movement members went into anonymity, some arranged themselves within the new regime and became NSDAP members. Rauschning defected to the West and wrote against the Nazi regime. Others, like Claus von Stauffenberg, remained inside the Reichswehr and later Wehrmacht, to silently conspire in the 20 July plot of 1944. The historian Fritz Stern stated that it was “a tribute to the genuine spiritual quality of the conservative revolution that the reality of the Third Reich aroused many of them to opposition, sometimes silent, often open and costly”

yes, these were the people from before hitler raised up, had later plotted his end in the wolfs lair… and not one mention in archagel… think on that people..

why dont you know this history? why doesnt it change what youy say
who left it out? why was it left out? why did Zinn not want you to read it?

you saw gangs of ny, why did they scrub it
women could vote in 19 states before the amendment!!
you know about the wolfs lair attack, but not about the revolutionary conservatives who never were with hitler?

tons of stuff like this
and if you know the truth and history
people are often discussing a history that enver happened!!

how can a history that never happened be so well known?