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		By: Sean		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Maybe it&#039;s time the Right started agitating to censor Left-wing speech. Istm that being pro-free speech is the default compromise between two sides that would like to censor each other. Except in this case, only one side wants to censor the other, so where would you expect a compromise to land?

Being more tolerant of them than they are of us doesn&#039;t work. Compromises always favor their side, that&#039;s how progressivism works.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe it&#8217;s time the Right started agitating to censor Left-wing speech. Istm that being pro-free speech is the default compromise between two sides that would like to censor each other. Except in this case, only one side wants to censor the other, so where would you expect a compromise to land?</p>
<p>Being more tolerant of them than they are of us doesn&#8217;t work. Compromises always favor their side, that&#8217;s how progressivism works.</p>
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		By: Ymar Sakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2017/08/17/free-speech-for-me-and-not-for-you/#comment-2245429</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ymar Sakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Aug 2017 01:27:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The issue of white skin is a genetic issue even from the days of Noah.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/boe/boe110.htm

I surmise based on my own research, that Noah&#039;s DNA was adjusted supernaturally, in order to ensure that the Genesis Six experiment&#039;s deleterious giant genes would be completely wiped out, even after the Divine flood.

This bypasses the need to argue about whether the flood was global or just world wide (horizon to HOrizon). It also bypasses the need to argue about whether there was only one incursion of the fallen angels on Mount Hermon or more than one. The genetic trait introduced would have passed directly to the post flood world, even if his 3 sons had married women with nephiliim contaminated lineages. 

The Book of Enoch, none of the 3 are considered a standard work of the Latter Day Saint canon, but it is mentioned in one passage of the Doctrine and Covenants, which is a standard work. Just as with the Protestant and Roman bibles, the Book of Enoch is extra biblical. The Latter Day Saints are probably more likely to accept it as scripture, than the closed canon systems, but that would have to wait for a future time to determine.

Enoch&#039;s people and city was also lifted up and preserved. Probably because his father was Jared, and in the Days of Jared the angels went to Mount Hermon to start the Genesis six experiment.

That way, there are two sources of the remnant of the human species. One from Enoch&#039;s city, and another from Noah. Even if either was contaminated, there would still be a remnant that can sustain the original plan.

The details are not even told to the prophets and leaders of the Latter Day Saint hierarchy, Aesop. Why do you think you, of all people, lacking any divine link, would be justified in receiving knowledge that not even the upper echelon individuals are ignorant of?

Do you not know the mystery of the hand of the divine. The Left hand does not know what the Right hand is doing, and that has always been on purpose.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The issue of white skin is a genetic issue even from the days of Noah.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/boe/boe110.htm" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/boe/boe110.htm</a></p>
<p>I surmise based on my own research, that Noah&#8217;s DNA was adjusted supernaturally, in order to ensure that the Genesis Six experiment&#8217;s deleterious giant genes would be completely wiped out, even after the Divine flood.</p>
<p>This bypasses the need to argue about whether the flood was global or just world wide (horizon to HOrizon). It also bypasses the need to argue about whether there was only one incursion of the fallen angels on Mount Hermon or more than one. The genetic trait introduced would have passed directly to the post flood world, even if his 3 sons had married women with nephiliim contaminated lineages. </p>
<p>The Book of Enoch, none of the 3 are considered a standard work of the Latter Day Saint canon, but it is mentioned in one passage of the Doctrine and Covenants, which is a standard work. Just as with the Protestant and Roman bibles, the Book of Enoch is extra biblical. The Latter Day Saints are probably more likely to accept it as scripture, than the closed canon systems, but that would have to wait for a future time to determine.</p>
<p>Enoch&#8217;s people and city was also lifted up and preserved. Probably because his father was Jared, and in the Days of Jared the angels went to Mount Hermon to start the Genesis six experiment.</p>
<p>That way, there are two sources of the remnant of the human species. One from Enoch&#8217;s city, and another from Noah. Even if either was contaminated, there would still be a remnant that can sustain the original plan.</p>
<p>The details are not even told to the prophets and leaders of the Latter Day Saint hierarchy, Aesop. Why do you think you, of all people, lacking any divine link, would be justified in receiving knowledge that not even the upper echelon individuals are ignorant of?</p>
<p>Do you not know the mystery of the hand of the divine. The Left hand does not know what the Right hand is doing, and that has always been on purpose.</p>
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		By: Ymar Sakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2017/08/17/free-speech-for-me-and-not-for-you/#comment-2245425</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Aug 2017 01:11:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;That is a common but bigoted misreading of the text and the doctrines of the LDS Church.
Get educated before slinging slurs, even if they are intended as cutesy (although irrelevant) bon mots.&lt;/b&gt;

It is almost definitely the canon, since I can testify under the Holy Spirit as to that exact truth.

For those not clued into the difference between Protestant/Catholic closed canon and Latter Day Saint canon, the difference is generally that the First Ecumenical Council up to about the 4 or 5th one, is still recognized by both Catholics and Protestants. But the Eastern Orthodox doesn&#039;t not recognize the canon up to the 4th Ecumenical Council, just the 3rd.

The Latter Day Saints, however, have rejected probably almost the entirety of the Ecumenical Councils that form the foundation of pretty much 99.9% of all Christendom in modern and pre modern history.

But with that context out of the way, there are two sources for the 500 BC issue.

One is in the Book of Mormon.
The Other is LDS hierarchy&#039;s refusal to accept blacks as priests, due to the curse of Ham.

The latter was most likely a relic of Jim Crow&#039;s influence, the Civil War, and various other Masonic plots by the second Prophet of the Latter Day Saints, Brigham Young. Real Politic had an effect. If Utah had accepted whites mixing with blacks on that level, and that would mean black priests would have access to single white women, the rest of the states might not have liked that. The other part was theology, the whole issue with whether Ham was cursed so that he could never have the priesthood. Later on, this policy was changed due to direct revelation, but only after Jim Crow&#039;s effect and the Civil Rights had pushed the boundaries. Interracial mixing was still a concern, but not one that would break into open war. The preservation of Utah and the Saints is the number one priority of the LDS hierarchy. Not political correctness or obedience to the world&#039;s canon.

https://www.fairmormon.org/answers/Book_of_Mormon/Lamanites/Curse

My sources are based on the doctrine in the Book of Mormon canon and neutral LDS literature. It is definitely not something you can effectively fight against, Aesop, merely by acting out of an emotional reaction to the loyalty of your faction. You would have to be possessed by the Holy Spirit to be capable of adequately contesting this issue on this matter.

So we know that the modern church in question was for whatever reason, conscious of skin color. So the FairMormon reinterpretation of the LDS canon is that skin color was not an issue.

&lt;b&gt;If skin color is the issue, then a single Lamanite with a group of Nephites should be easy to spot. But, in this case, it is not. Why, then, the need for a Lamanite at all in Moroni&#039;s plan?

A &quot;native&quot; Lamanite was probably needed because there were differences in language or pronunciation between cultural Nephites and Lamanites (compare between Ephraim and others&#039; shibboleth, Judges 12:6). Note that the Book of Mormon says that &quot;when the Lamanites heard these words,&quot; they relaxed and accepted the Lamanite decoy with his Nephite troops. What they could see had not changed, and surely if a dark-skinned Lamanite shows up with a white-skinned bunch of Nephites, they would be suspicious no matter what he said. But, if Nephites and Lamanites are indistinguishable on physical grounds if dressed properly, then their sudden reassurance when a native Lamanite speaks is understandable.

This fact was probably obvious to Mormon and Captain Moroni. The text does not spell it out for us (since it was obvious to the writers), but the clues are all there for the careful reader.

This passage is nonsensical if literal skin color is the issue. It makes perfect sense, however, if Nephites and Lamanites are often physically indistinguishable, but have some differences in language which are difficult to &quot;fake&quot; for a non-(cultural)-Lamanite. &lt;/b&gt;

I agree that cultural accents would have played a disproportionate role. However, if I was running a deception operation, I would have the lighter skinned people standing in front of the setting sun, and when evening comes, put them at such a distance that their faces cannot be clearly distinguished without torch light. The only person that&#039;s face would be clearly seen, would be the leader, the speaker, the Lamanite descendant. The text does not sell it out for you, but the clues are there for those under the guidance of the Holy Spirit. They do not mention evening, even though it would be a major factor in visual range and accuracy. Perhaps they have never considered how to disguise a large group of people.

Ancillary, the Hopewells are said to be the descendants of the previous Nephites. Their skin color is not white, nor is it light, but darker. Perhaps that is a genetic contamination from the South, Incans or Aztecs, but genetically speaking they are from different groups. Haplogroup X is the Hopewell Indians, and the Incans/Mayans/Aztecs are some other group entirely. Epigenetics can easily explain why a previous fair skinned genetic group suddenly gets a darker skin tone in a single generation.

There is nothing common or bigoted about Ymar&#039;s analysis. Something you should have realized by now.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>That is a common but bigoted misreading of the text and the doctrines of the LDS Church.<br />
Get educated before slinging slurs, even if they are intended as cutesy (although irrelevant) bon mots.</b></p>
<p>It is almost definitely the canon, since I can testify under the Holy Spirit as to that exact truth.</p>
<p>For those not clued into the difference between Protestant/Catholic closed canon and Latter Day Saint canon, the difference is generally that the First Ecumenical Council up to about the 4 or 5th one, is still recognized by both Catholics and Protestants. But the Eastern Orthodox doesn&#8217;t not recognize the canon up to the 4th Ecumenical Council, just the 3rd.</p>
<p>The Latter Day Saints, however, have rejected probably almost the entirety of the Ecumenical Councils that form the foundation of pretty much 99.9% of all Christendom in modern and pre modern history.</p>
<p>But with that context out of the way, there are two sources for the 500 BC issue.</p>
<p>One is in the Book of Mormon.<br />
The Other is LDS hierarchy&#8217;s refusal to accept blacks as priests, due to the curse of Ham.</p>
<p>The latter was most likely a relic of Jim Crow&#8217;s influence, the Civil War, and various other Masonic plots by the second Prophet of the Latter Day Saints, Brigham Young. Real Politic had an effect. If Utah had accepted whites mixing with blacks on that level, and that would mean black priests would have access to single white women, the rest of the states might not have liked that. The other part was theology, the whole issue with whether Ham was cursed so that he could never have the priesthood. Later on, this policy was changed due to direct revelation, but only after Jim Crow&#8217;s effect and the Civil Rights had pushed the boundaries. Interracial mixing was still a concern, but not one that would break into open war. The preservation of Utah and the Saints is the number one priority of the LDS hierarchy. Not political correctness or obedience to the world&#8217;s canon.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.fairmormon.org/answers/Book_of_Mormon/Lamanites/Curse" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.fairmormon.org/answers/Book_of_Mormon/Lamanites/Curse</a></p>
<p>My sources are based on the doctrine in the Book of Mormon canon and neutral LDS literature. It is definitely not something you can effectively fight against, Aesop, merely by acting out of an emotional reaction to the loyalty of your faction. You would have to be possessed by the Holy Spirit to be capable of adequately contesting this issue on this matter.</p>
<p>So we know that the modern church in question was for whatever reason, conscious of skin color. So the FairMormon reinterpretation of the LDS canon is that skin color was not an issue.</p>
<p><b>If skin color is the issue, then a single Lamanite with a group of Nephites should be easy to spot. But, in this case, it is not. Why, then, the need for a Lamanite at all in Moroni&#8217;s plan?</p>
<p>A &#8220;native&#8221; Lamanite was probably needed because there were differences in language or pronunciation between cultural Nephites and Lamanites (compare between Ephraim and others&#8217; shibboleth, Judges 12:6). Note that the Book of Mormon says that &#8220;when the Lamanites heard these words,&#8221; they relaxed and accepted the Lamanite decoy with his Nephite troops. What they could see had not changed, and surely if a dark-skinned Lamanite shows up with a white-skinned bunch of Nephites, they would be suspicious no matter what he said. But, if Nephites and Lamanites are indistinguishable on physical grounds if dressed properly, then their sudden reassurance when a native Lamanite speaks is understandable.</p>
<p>This fact was probably obvious to Mormon and Captain Moroni. The text does not spell it out for us (since it was obvious to the writers), but the clues are all there for the careful reader.</p>
<p>This passage is nonsensical if literal skin color is the issue. It makes perfect sense, however, if Nephites and Lamanites are often physically indistinguishable, but have some differences in language which are difficult to &#8220;fake&#8221; for a non-(cultural)-Lamanite. </b></p>
<p>I agree that cultural accents would have played a disproportionate role. However, if I was running a deception operation, I would have the lighter skinned people standing in front of the setting sun, and when evening comes, put them at such a distance that their faces cannot be clearly distinguished without torch light. The only person that&#8217;s face would be clearly seen, would be the leader, the speaker, the Lamanite descendant. The text does not sell it out for you, but the clues are there for those under the guidance of the Holy Spirit. They do not mention evening, even though it would be a major factor in visual range and accuracy. Perhaps they have never considered how to disguise a large group of people.</p>
<p>Ancillary, the Hopewells are said to be the descendants of the previous Nephites. Their skin color is not white, nor is it light, but darker. Perhaps that is a genetic contamination from the South, Incans or Aztecs, but genetically speaking they are from different groups. Haplogroup X is the Hopewell Indians, and the Incans/Mayans/Aztecs are some other group entirely. Epigenetics can easily explain why a previous fair skinned genetic group suddenly gets a darker skin tone in a single generation.</p>
<p>There is nothing common or bigoted about Ymar&#8217;s analysis. Something you should have realized by now.</p>
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		By: steve walsh		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Aug 2017 18:20:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Well then, thanks for the tip. Have to admit the obvious: skimmed over the posts before I posted.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well then, thanks for the tip. Have to admit the obvious: skimmed over the posts before I posted.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Aug 2017 17:34:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[steve walsh Says: 
August 18th, 2017 at 12:56 pm
I propose we ask K-Sue Park, and those that agree with her, that if it is ok to disallow some speech who will decide? Oh, and will she be agreeable if the person designated is POTUS?
* * *
See the Greenwald quote above.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>steve walsh Says:<br />
August 18th, 2017 at 12:56 pm<br />
I propose we ask K-Sue Park, and those that agree with her, that if it is ok to disallow some speech who will decide? Oh, and will she be agreeable if the person designated is POTUS?<br />
* * *<br />
See the Greenwald quote above.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Aug 2017 17:33:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ymar Sakar Says: 
August 18th, 2017 at 12:20 pm
According to the Latter Day Saint canon, America has been obsessed with white and dark skin colors since 500 BC.
* * *
That is a common but bigoted misreading of the text and the doctrines of the LDS Church.
Get educated before slinging slurs, even if they are intended as cutesy (although irrelevant) &lt;em&gt;bon mots&lt;/em&gt;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ymar Sakar Says:<br />
August 18th, 2017 at 12:20 pm<br />
According to the Latter Day Saint canon, America has been obsessed with white and dark skin colors since 500 BC.<br />
* * *<br />
That is a common but bigoted misreading of the text and the doctrines of the LDS Church.<br />
Get educated before slinging slurs, even if they are intended as cutesy (although irrelevant) <em>bon mots</em>.</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Aug 2017 16:56:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I propose we ask K-Sue Park, and those that agree with her, that if it is ok to disallow some speech who will decide? Oh, and will she be agreeable if the person designated is POTUS?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I propose we ask K-Sue Park, and those that agree with her, that if it is ok to disallow some speech who will decide? Oh, and will she be agreeable if the person designated is POTUS?</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Aug 2017 16:23:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Free speech is only for the imagers of a god, not for the serfs, peasants, and slaves that serve the divine hierarchy.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Free speech is only for the imagers of a god, not for the serfs, peasants, and slaves that serve the divine hierarchy.</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Aug 2017 16:20:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[According to the Latter Day Saint canon, America has been obsessed with white and dark skin colors since 500 BC.]]></description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Aug 2017 16:18:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[As a non-white American I find America&#039;s obsession with race (read: &quot;Well that&#039;s racist!&quot;) highly amusing yet highly disturbing and bizarre. This obsession is mostly held by the American ideological left; if I could ship Van Jones to Russia I would.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a non-white American I find America&#8217;s obsession with race (read: &#8220;Well that&#8217;s racist!&#8221;) highly amusing yet highly disturbing and bizarre. This obsession is mostly held by the American ideological left; if I could ship Van Jones to Russia I would.</p>
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