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		By: Ymar Sakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2017/08/16/iceland-says-down-with-downs/#comment-2245641</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Aug 2017 14:43:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;Roy Says: 
August 17th, 2017 at 9:46 am&lt;/b&gt;

Most likely correct. One reason I wasn&#039;t all that optimistic about Trum being our Hussein type messiah that is going to &quot;save the Republic&quot; is because usually when a nation violates divine commands, like Israel did, the punishments would begin. And it will start small and end up larger and larger as time goes on, giving people plenty of time to repent.

When they don&#039;t, the Flood comes or the cities are destroyed by orbital meta weapons like Soddom and Gomorrah.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Roy Says:<br />
August 17th, 2017 at 9:46 am</b></p>
<p>Most likely correct. One reason I wasn&#8217;t all that optimistic about Trum being our Hussein type messiah that is going to &#8220;save the Republic&#8221; is because usually when a nation violates divine commands, like Israel did, the punishments would begin. And it will start small and end up larger and larger as time goes on, giving people plenty of time to repent.</p>
<p>When they don&#8217;t, the Flood comes or the cities are destroyed by orbital meta weapons like Soddom and Gomorrah.</p>
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		By: n.n		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Aug 2017 02:06:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;reconciliation of moral (i.e. individual dignity, intrinsic value), natural, and personal imperatives&lt;/i&gt;

Internally, externally, and mutually consistent principles.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>reconciliation of moral (i.e. individual dignity, intrinsic value), natural, and personal imperatives</i></p>
<p>Internally, externally, and mutually consistent principles.</p>
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		By: n.n		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Aug 2017 02:04:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Lives deemed unworthy.

The Pro-Choice (i.e. selective, opportunistic, and unprincipled) quasi-religious/moral, legal, scientific, and social philosophy is a short-term response with long-term consequences.

There is no easy answer, but we should strive toward reconciliation of moral (i.e. individual dignity, intrinsic value), natural, and personal imperatives.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lives deemed unworthy.</p>
<p>The Pro-Choice (i.e. selective, opportunistic, and unprincipled) quasi-religious/moral, legal, scientific, and social philosophy is a short-term response with long-term consequences.</p>
<p>There is no easy answer, but we should strive toward reconciliation of moral (i.e. individual dignity, intrinsic value), natural, and personal imperatives.</p>
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		By: Roy		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2017/08/16/iceland-says-down-with-downs/#comment-2244740</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Aug 2017 13:46:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I know and have known several people who are Downs syndrome. They range from toddlers to adults. *ALL* of them are delights to be around. (I know, there might be other issues or problems with raising a Downs syndrome child that I am unaware of. Still...)

You want to know what is happening to our country? ...to western society? It&#039;s this:

Ever since the advent of &quot;abortion for convenience&quot;, our society has turned its back on God. The results are not unexpected.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know and have known several people who are Downs syndrome. They range from toddlers to adults. *ALL* of them are delights to be around. (I know, there might be other issues or problems with raising a Downs syndrome child that I am unaware of. Still&#8230;)</p>
<p>You want to know what is happening to our country? &#8230;to western society? It&#8217;s this:</p>
<p>Ever since the advent of &#8220;abortion for convenience&#8221;, our society has turned its back on God. The results are not unexpected.</p>
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		By: J.J.		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2017/08/16/iceland-says-down-with-downs/#comment-2244603</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Aug 2017 04:04:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Jamie and Molly Brown, thanks for sharing. 

I worked out at a gym for five years where one of their employees was a Down Syndrome boy who kept the  men&#039;s locker area clean. He was a delightful young man to be around. I know he was one of those who is high functioning, but he certainly changed my image of DS children. When Sara Palin decided to  keep her DS boy, Trig, it made me like her even more.

As I&#039;ve mentioned before, travel opens one&#039;s eyes. So many  cultures that do not share the values we do. Just thankful to live in the good old USA.  Not perfect, but a darn sight better than most places and a place where we can try to improve.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jamie and Molly Brown, thanks for sharing. </p>
<p>I worked out at a gym for five years where one of their employees was a Down Syndrome boy who kept the  men&#8217;s locker area clean. He was a delightful young man to be around. I know he was one of those who is high functioning, but he certainly changed my image of DS children. When Sara Palin decided to  keep her DS boy, Trig, it made me like her even more.</p>
<p>As I&#8217;ve mentioned before, travel opens one&#8217;s eyes. So many  cultures that do not share the values we do. Just thankful to live in the good old USA.  Not perfect, but a darn sight better than most places and a place where we can try to improve.</p>
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		By: Molly Brown		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Aug 2017 02:01:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[When I was pregnant with my first child I had the test for Downs and my husband and I were in agreement that we would terminate if the result was positive.  We were told that would be best for everyone.  
Fast forward two and a half years later and we are on the way to the hospital for the next baby&#039;s test.  I had already decided that if the result was positive and my husband couldn&#039;t accept it that I would chose a Down&#039;s baby over my marriage.  
As he pulled into a parking place my husband turned to me and said; &#039;Why are we even doing this?  We&#039;re not getting rid of this baby no matter what&#039;s wrong with it.&#039;  We have been together for 38 years - and hope for many more - but I don&#039;t think I could ever love him more than I did in that moment.
FWIW, that was also the beginning of my change.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I was pregnant with my first child I had the test for Downs and my husband and I were in agreement that we would terminate if the result was positive.  We were told that would be best for everyone.<br />
Fast forward two and a half years later and we are on the way to the hospital for the next baby&#8217;s test.  I had already decided that if the result was positive and my husband couldn&#8217;t accept it that I would chose a Down&#8217;s baby over my marriage.<br />
As he pulled into a parking place my husband turned to me and said; &#8216;Why are we even doing this?  We&#8217;re not getting rid of this baby no matter what&#8217;s wrong with it.&#8217;  We have been together for 38 years &#8211; and hope for many more &#8211; but I don&#8217;t think I could ever love him more than I did in that moment.<br />
FWIW, that was also the beginning of my change.</p>
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		By: Lizzy		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Aug 2017 20:33:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;&quot;Given our ability to deliver and incubate significantly premature infants, I think there has been an evolution in medical ethics, saving the lives of infants and adults where the quality of life will be in question.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;


Sure, we can detect more birth defects/issues early, and better save premature babies --- and we also have more treatments available to help a lot of them long term. For example, a variety of heart defects can be treated today that 30+ years ago were a death sentence. Are we going to judge the quality of life of someone who&#039;s only operating at 93% blood oxygenation as less worthy and not a valid expense (surgeries) next?

Downs is not a terminal disease, not a futile waste of precious healthcare resources (i.e., not an ailment that will surely kill the baby within hours/days/weeks). I am not comfortable with a society that wants to judge the quality of a non-terminal child&#039;s life. This is the path to Hitler&#039;s Aktion T4 program (yeah, some topics do require one to &#039;go Godwin&#039;).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>&#8220;Given our ability to deliver and incubate significantly premature infants, I think there has been an evolution in medical ethics, saving the lives of infants and adults where the quality of life will be in question.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>Sure, we can detect more birth defects/issues early, and better save premature babies &#8212; and we also have more treatments available to help a lot of them long term. For example, a variety of heart defects can be treated today that 30+ years ago were a death sentence. Are we going to judge the quality of life of someone who&#8217;s only operating at 93% blood oxygenation as less worthy and not a valid expense (surgeries) next?</p>
<p>Downs is not a terminal disease, not a futile waste of precious healthcare resources (i.e., not an ailment that will surely kill the baby within hours/days/weeks). I am not comfortable with a society that wants to judge the quality of a non-terminal child&#8217;s life. This is the path to Hitler&#8217;s Aktion T4 program (yeah, some topics do require one to &#8216;go Godwin&#8217;).</p>
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		By: ConceptJunkie		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Aug 2017 19:59:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I think eugenics is going to come roaring back in the next couple decades, except that we will have the technology to be much more effective, and much more ruthless about it.   Single-payer health care is going to accelerate the problem because governments can save money by aborting or euthanizing people who will be a drain on the system.  Death panels are real and inevitable.

Scandinavia and Iceland are at the forefront of this kind of ruthless calculus of the value of human life, and it&#039;s going to get worse before it gets better.   As many people have said, the right to die will eventually become the duty to die.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think eugenics is going to come roaring back in the next couple decades, except that we will have the technology to be much more effective, and much more ruthless about it.   Single-payer health care is going to accelerate the problem because governments can save money by aborting or euthanizing people who will be a drain on the system.  Death panels are real and inevitable.</p>
<p>Scandinavia and Iceland are at the forefront of this kind of ruthless calculus of the value of human life, and it&#8217;s going to get worse before it gets better.   As many people have said, the right to die will eventually become the duty to die.</p>
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		By: Ymar Sakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2017/08/16/iceland-says-down-with-downs/#comment-2244400</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Aug 2017 19:55:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The spirit that controls flesh is independently intelligent of the dna and the brain size/complexity.

Which is why crows and certain birds are self taught to use tools, whereas apes and monkeys are way more dumb in comparison.

Such birds do not have the brain capacity to do so, if we are genetically closer to apes, then apes should be second only to us in intelligence. Yet it is the spirit that controls matter, and it is the quantum state of the spirit that contains the information, not the brain. The brain is merely like a radio, it only filters and transmutes data, it does not store it nor does it manage it.

Killing off the mortal avatar form of a super intelligent spirit, is about as useless as nuking yourself because you hate breakfast.

Continue your voyage in life believing that the State has the power, because you gave them all that power. In the end, your spirit will still be around in eternal damnation and agony, irregardless of what happens to the temporary flesh. Who cares about what happens to your virtual accounts and avatars? You can just make a new one from scratch later on with enough investment. But those who labored and harbored the intent of supporting evil, will still be penalized at their spirit, the real source of their pain and joy.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The spirit that controls flesh is independently intelligent of the dna and the brain size/complexity.</p>
<p>Which is why crows and certain birds are self taught to use tools, whereas apes and monkeys are way more dumb in comparison.</p>
<p>Such birds do not have the brain capacity to do so, if we are genetically closer to apes, then apes should be second only to us in intelligence. Yet it is the spirit that controls matter, and it is the quantum state of the spirit that contains the information, not the brain. The brain is merely like a radio, it only filters and transmutes data, it does not store it nor does it manage it.</p>
<p>Killing off the mortal avatar form of a super intelligent spirit, is about as useless as nuking yourself because you hate breakfast.</p>
<p>Continue your voyage in life believing that the State has the power, because you gave them all that power. In the end, your spirit will still be around in eternal damnation and agony, irregardless of what happens to the temporary flesh. Who cares about what happens to your virtual accounts and avatars? You can just make a new one from scratch later on with enough investment. But those who labored and harbored the intent of supporting evil, will still be penalized at their spirit, the real source of their pain and joy.</p>
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		By: Ymar Sakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2017/08/16/iceland-says-down-with-downs/#comment-2244399</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ymar Sakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Aug 2017 19:52:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The Left will determine if you are born, when you are born, and how much you get to pay them for the privilege of living.

Downs Syndrome is a result of an incomplete or over complete synchronization between the spirit that controls matter, and the mortar avatar the spirit logs into in order to control the avatar on the material dimension.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Left will determine if you are born, when you are born, and how much you get to pay them for the privilege of living.</p>
<p>Downs Syndrome is a result of an incomplete or over complete synchronization between the spirit that controls matter, and the mortar avatar the spirit logs into in order to control the avatar on the material dimension.</p>
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