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		By: Big Maq		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2017/07/19/deja-vu-all-over-again-coverage-of-trump/#comment-2236783</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jul 2017 01:50:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Ymar - enemies to freedom are from multiple sides, not just one side.  

If we focus on one side only, that creates an opening for another.

A great deal of focus for many has been the left.  

They need no help there, and, in fact, piling on what we already are aware of becomes its own distraction from other vectors.
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Also, &quot;in time&quot;, implies that a great deal has been lost, or nearly so (unless you are referring all the way back to the biblical &quot;Garden of Eden&quot;).

In a historical sense (notwithstanding the GoE), we are well ahead, but much work is still needed.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ymar &#8211; enemies to freedom are from multiple sides, not just one side.  </p>
<p>If we focus on one side only, that creates an opening for another.</p>
<p>A great deal of focus for many has been the left.  </p>
<p>They need no help there, and, in fact, piling on what we already are aware of becomes its own distraction from other vectors.<br />
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<p>Also, &#8220;in time&#8221;, implies that a great deal has been lost, or nearly so (unless you are referring all the way back to the biblical &#8220;Garden of Eden&#8221;).</p>
<p>In a historical sense (notwithstanding the GoE), we are well ahead, but much work is still needed.</p>
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		By: Ymar Sakar		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ymar Sakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Jul 2017 23:38:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;Big Maq Says: 
July 24th, 2017 at 1:50 pm&lt;/b&gt;

It is amazing you can see that yet couldn&#039;t see the onion plans of the Leftist alliance in time.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Big Maq Says:<br />
July 24th, 2017 at 1:50 pm</b></p>
<p>It is amazing you can see that yet couldn&#8217;t see the onion plans of the Leftist alliance in time.</p>
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		By: Big Maq		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Jul 2017 17:50:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Bill&#039;s greatest hits:

&lt;em&gt;&quot;But the Russian thing has bugged me from the start of Trump’s campaign. He swings wildly on everything else. On Russia he is staunch. Won’t say anything bad about Putin.
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I don’t think character and effectiveness can be disconnected. I think they are tied closely together. This isn’t a moralistic stance. Its a very practical stance. I want the President to do a good job for America.
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We have a guy who I literally wouldn’t buy a used car from. And he’s got the nuclear arsenal.
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So I think we’re in a far more dangerous place than we realize.
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Trump and the MSM are in an unbalanced symbiotic relationship. He absolutely needs them as his foil. They love the ratings his gifs and tweets and attacks bring.&lt;/em&gt;
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Have to say what a keen observation it is that trump seems rather consistent pro putin, whereas everything else is up for target practice at one time or another.
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Character and effectiveness are BOTH a moral issue and a practical issue.  

It comes back to my favorite two words of late... credibility and trust.  

Without those, no one person can lead, let alone persuade anyone of anything, including purchasing a used car.
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Agree about risk, as there are many avenues that can take, and the trump supporters seem to be as obstinate in degree about ignoring it as the left is about over hyping it.

It seems much too early to declare that the danger we may have worried about during the campaign has passed.  

The signs are mixed, at best, up to this point.
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One avenue is how we are seeing some behavior that is rather opposite of what one would expect of a candidate who promised to &quot;drain the swamp&quot; would engage in once elected.  

Transparency is a great disinfectant, someone once said - seems we are in some important ways getting less than when obama was around.

Even floating the idea of pardoning friends and family, even of himself, ought to raise YUGE red flags.  It would if it were obama.  

But, ho hum.
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Which leads one to this dynamic with the media.  

For trump&#039;s schtick to work, there has to be an enemy.  The more he targets the media, the less anything they have to report, even if it is rock solid fact, would be heard, let alone believed.

The second part is media saturation.  It is even to the point that those in the advertising / marketing industry are having problems getting the attention they used to have and need for their clients.

These two feed into why we see folks want to ignore it all.

Discredit the media, discredit key GOP figures, discredit anyone labeled an &quot;enemy&quot;, and clog the air waves with stupid sh*t, and one has nearly a free hand to do whatever they want.

Everything becomes obscured, and confounding.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill&#8217;s greatest hits:</p>
<p><em>&#8220;But the Russian thing has bugged me from the start of Trump’s campaign. He swings wildly on everything else. On Russia he is staunch. Won’t say anything bad about Putin.<br />
&#8230;<br />
I don’t think character and effectiveness can be disconnected. I think they are tied closely together. This isn’t a moralistic stance. Its a very practical stance. I want the President to do a good job for America.<br />
&#8230;<br />
We have a guy who I literally wouldn’t buy a used car from. And he’s got the nuclear arsenal.<br />
&#8230;<br />
So I think we’re in a far more dangerous place than we realize.<br />
&#8230;<br />
Trump and the MSM are in an unbalanced symbiotic relationship. He absolutely needs them as his foil. They love the ratings his gifs and tweets and attacks bring.</em><br />
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<p>Have to say what a keen observation it is that trump seems rather consistent pro putin, whereas everything else is up for target practice at one time or another.<br />
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<p>Character and effectiveness are BOTH a moral issue and a practical issue.  </p>
<p>It comes back to my favorite two words of late&#8230; credibility and trust.  </p>
<p>Without those, no one person can lead, let alone persuade anyone of anything, including purchasing a used car.<br />
.</p>
<p>Agree about risk, as there are many avenues that can take, and the trump supporters seem to be as obstinate in degree about ignoring it as the left is about over hyping it.</p>
<p>It seems much too early to declare that the danger we may have worried about during the campaign has passed.  </p>
<p>The signs are mixed, at best, up to this point.<br />
.</p>
<p>One avenue is how we are seeing some behavior that is rather opposite of what one would expect of a candidate who promised to &#8220;drain the swamp&#8221; would engage in once elected.  </p>
<p>Transparency is a great disinfectant, someone once said &#8211; seems we are in some important ways getting less than when obama was around.</p>
<p>Even floating the idea of pardoning friends and family, even of himself, ought to raise YUGE red flags.  It would if it were obama.  </p>
<p>But, ho hum.<br />
.</p>
<p>Which leads one to this dynamic with the media.  </p>
<p>For trump&#8217;s schtick to work, there has to be an enemy.  The more he targets the media, the less anything they have to report, even if it is rock solid fact, would be heard, let alone believed.</p>
<p>The second part is media saturation.  It is even to the point that those in the advertising / marketing industry are having problems getting the attention they used to have and need for their clients.</p>
<p>These two feed into why we see folks want to ignore it all.</p>
<p>Discredit the media, discredit key GOP figures, discredit anyone labeled an &#8220;enemy&#8221;, and clog the air waves with stupid sh*t, and one has nearly a free hand to do whatever they want.</p>
<p>Everything becomes obscured, and confounding.</p>
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		By: Ymar Sakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2017/07/19/deja-vu-all-over-again-coverage-of-trump/#comment-2235814</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ymar Sakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Jul 2017 00:12:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;We have never expected that trump could advance the conservative agendas very far but if anything he could makes the left look as big a clown as he was that would be a monumental accomplishment.&lt;/b&gt;

ironically, some people here dared to lecture me that Trum would be held accountable, because of the media.

In 2015, I was like &quot;what are these mortal fools talking about once again&quot;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>We have never expected that trump could advance the conservative agendas very far but if anything he could makes the left look as big a clown as he was that would be a monumental accomplishment.</b></p>
<p>ironically, some people here dared to lecture me that Trum would be held accountable, because of the media.</p>
<p>In 2015, I was like &#8220;what are these mortal fools talking about once again&#8221;.</p>
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		By: Ymar Sakar		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ymar Sakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Jul 2017 00:11:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;Delilah Says: 
July 20th, 2017 at 5:06 pm
Trump treats people like crap? Bill and especially Hillary are legendary in their abusive treatment of staff, Secret Service, etc. Insulting them, swearing at them, throwing stuff.&lt;/b&gt;

The SS are tools. They aren&#039;t supposed to fight back.

Citizens that take the bullsh of DC, by giving power to DC and evil, you&#039;ve already lost and don&#039;t even realize it. Like Stockholme Syndrome, you keep voting in the tyrants in DC and then pretending to be the victim of it all.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Delilah Says:<br />
July 20th, 2017 at 5:06 pm<br />
Trump treats people like crap? Bill and especially Hillary are legendary in their abusive treatment of staff, Secret Service, etc. Insulting them, swearing at them, throwing stuff.</b></p>
<p>The SS are tools. They aren&#8217;t supposed to fight back.</p>
<p>Citizens that take the bullsh of DC, by giving power to DC and evil, you&#8217;ve already lost and don&#8217;t even realize it. Like Stockholme Syndrome, you keep voting in the tyrants in DC and then pretending to be the victim of it all.</p>
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		By: Ymar Sakar		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ymar Sakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Jul 2017 00:09:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;Dave Says: 
July 20th, 2017 at 1:26 pm
Nixon’s demise didn’t embolden the left for long.&lt;/b&gt;

Got rid of the EPA yet?

Too busy winning, I guess.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Dave Says:<br />
July 20th, 2017 at 1:26 pm<br />
Nixon’s demise didn’t embolden the left for long.</b></p>
<p>Got rid of the EPA yet?</p>
<p>Too busy winning, I guess.</p>
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		By: Barry Meislin		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jul 2017 13:14:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Related :
http://www.hoover.org/research/americas-media-meltdown]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Related :<br />
<a href="http://www.hoover.org/research/americas-media-meltdown" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.hoover.org/research/americas-media-meltdown</a></p>
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		By: Bill		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bill]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jul 2017 22:53:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[brdavis9 - great post!  I think you have chosen well. I need to emulate that and take a break as well.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>brdavis9 &#8211; great post!  I think you have chosen well. I need to emulate that and take a break as well.</p>
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		By: brdavis9		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jul 2017 21:49:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yes, it&#039;s all grown quite, &lt;em&gt;quite&lt;/em&gt; tedious.

...on the brighter side, I may have finally cured my news junkie addiction.

...and my landscaping project: my gawd! - Wonder of wonders, but I seem to have developed a green thumb. 

Even a few instances of people in cars having stopped and voiced appreciation of my gardening efforts. (Yes. I&#039;m preening lol.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, it&#8217;s all grown quite, <em>quite</em> tedious.</p>
<p>&#8230;on the brighter side, I may have finally cured my news junkie addiction.</p>
<p>&#8230;and my landscaping project: my gawd! &#8211; Wonder of wonders, but I seem to have developed a green thumb. </p>
<p>Even a few instances of people in cars having stopped and voiced appreciation of my gardening efforts. (Yes. I&#8217;m preening lol.)</p>
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		By: Delilah		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Delilah]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jul 2017 21:06:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Trump treats people like crap?  Bill and especially Hillary are legendary in their abusive treatment of staff, Secret Service, etc.  Insulting them, swearing at them, throwing stuff.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trump treats people like crap?  Bill and especially Hillary are legendary in their abusive treatment of staff, Secret Service, etc.  Insulting them, swearing at them, throwing stuff.</p>
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