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		By: Ymar Sakar		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Black Liberation theology has to do with a biblical rewrite of his story.

Namely, what happened to Ham, Esau, and Noah.

The theology is mostly that white people (some of you guys here) are devils or fallen angels, because white people were akin to the angelic race.

Ham was cursed with blackness, which caused a change in his DNA, but is setup as the real inheritor of the human race by black theology. In the same fashion that Arabs consider Ishmael to be the firstborn son that should inherit.  It&#039;s an old pre medieval inheritance problem. Who in the family gets what. Those from Ishmael, says Ishmael is pre eminent and thus should be given military and economic power. Those from Ham, says Ham should have been raised up or was raised up (and all you white devils were lowered).

It&#039;s pretty well crafted Lucifer&#039;s Own, like ALinsky did in the US. Africans/blacks are considered lower on the IQ scale anyways, so not hard for an entity that has existed and grown for 6000 years to fool them.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Black Liberation theology has to do with a biblical rewrite of his story.</p>
<p>Namely, what happened to Ham, Esau, and Noah.</p>
<p>The theology is mostly that white people (some of you guys here) are devils or fallen angels, because white people were akin to the angelic race.</p>
<p>Ham was cursed with blackness, which caused a change in his DNA, but is setup as the real inheritor of the human race by black theology. In the same fashion that Arabs consider Ishmael to be the firstborn son that should inherit.  It&#8217;s an old pre medieval inheritance problem. Who in the family gets what. Those from Ishmael, says Ishmael is pre eminent and thus should be given military and economic power. Those from Ham, says Ham should have been raised up or was raised up (and all you white devils were lowered).</p>
<p>It&#8217;s pretty well crafted Lucifer&#8217;s Own, like ALinsky did in the US. Africans/blacks are considered lower on the IQ scale anyways, so not hard for an entity that has existed and grown for 6000 years to fool them.</p>
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		By: Ymar Sakar		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Jul 2017 01:17:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;12 “I have the right to do anything,” you say–but not everything is beneficial. “I have the right to do anything”–but I will not be mastered by anything. 13 You say, “Food for the stomach and the stomach for food, and God will destroy them both.” The body, however, is not meant for sexual immorality but for the Lord, and the Lord for the body. 14 By his power God raised the Lord from the dead, and he will raise us also. 15 Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ himself? Shall I then take the members of Christ and unite them with a prostitute? Never! 16 Do you not know that he who unites himself with a prostitute is one with her in body? For it is said, “The two will become one flesh.”[q] 17 But whoever is united with the Lord is one with him in spirit.[r]

18 Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a person commits are outside the body, but whoever sins sexually, sins against their own body. 19 Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; 20 you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your bodies.&lt;/b&gt;-Probably some guy world pays little attention to any more.

&lt;b&gt;If any of you has a dispute with another, do you dare to take it before the ungodly for judgment instead of before the Lord’s people? 2 Or do you not know that the Lord’s people will judge the world? And if you are to judge the world, are you not competent to judge trivial cases? 3 Do you not know that we will judge angels? How much more the things of this life! 4 Therefore, if you have disputes about such matters, do you ask for a ruling from those whose way of life is scorned in the church? 5 I say this to shame you. Is it possible that there is nobody among you wise enough to judge a dispute between believers? 6 But instead, one brother takes another to court–and this in front of unbelievers!

7 The very fact that you have lawsuits among you means you have been completely defeated already. Why not rather be wronged? Why not rather be cheated? 8 Instead, you yourselves cheat and do wrong, and you do this to your brothers and sisters. 9 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men[p] 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.&lt;/b&gt;

But the Bible said &quot;judge not lest you be judged&quot;! Yea, and that&#039;s why people read it and do not understand what&#039;s in it. See, it didn&#039;t say you won&#039;t be judged for the crime punishable by death. It said the way in which you judge the crimes of humans and angels, will be returned back unto you. But as a human, they don&#039;t understand that, they just quote dogma as if it the Bible was jesus&#039; second coming already.

This would include all these American mortals that think lawsuits and fighting the Left using Lucifer&#039;s knowledge from Alinsky, is &quot;Winning&quot;. Heh

&lt;b&gt; Already you have all you want! Already you have become rich! You have begun to reign–and that without us! How I wish that you really had begun to reign so that we also might reign with you! 9 For it seems to me that God has put us apostles on display at the end of the procession, like those condemned to die in the arena. We have been made a spectacle to the whole universe, to angels as well as to human beings. 10 We are fools for Christ, but you are so wise in Christ! We are weak, but you are strong! You are honored, we are dishonored! 11 To this very hour we go hungry and thirsty, we are in rags, we are brutally treated, we are homeless. 12 We work hard with our own hands. When we are cursed, we bless; when we are persecuted, we endure it; 13 when we are slandered, we answer kindly. We have become the scum of the earth, the garbage of the world–right up to this moment.&lt;/b&gt;

Apparently SJWs and Ctrl Left existed back then to fight too.

&lt;b&gt;True and False Prophets

15“Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.

True and False Disciples

21“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23Then I will tell them plainly, ‘You never knew me. Away from me, you evildoers!’&lt;/b&gt;

The Hebrews loved honey, milk, lamb sacrifice, and plant grafting analogies. Hard for a modern 21st century city person to understand, I know. Generally speaking, if the sons and grand sons of a church are good, then the Doctrine/Gospel was correct. If they are not, then probably not.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>12 “I have the right to do anything,” you say–but not everything is beneficial. “I have the right to do anything”–but I will not be mastered by anything. 13 You say, “Food for the stomach and the stomach for food, and God will destroy them both.” The body, however, is not meant for sexual immorality but for the Lord, and the Lord for the body. 14 By his power God raised the Lord from the dead, and he will raise us also. 15 Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ himself? Shall I then take the members of Christ and unite them with a prostitute? Never! 16 Do you not know that he who unites himself with a prostitute is one with her in body? For it is said, “The two will become one flesh.”[q] 17 But whoever is united with the Lord is one with him in spirit.[r]</p>
<p>18 Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a person commits are outside the body, but whoever sins sexually, sins against their own body. 19 Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; 20 you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your bodies.</b>-Probably some guy world pays little attention to any more.</p>
<p><b>If any of you has a dispute with another, do you dare to take it before the ungodly for judgment instead of before the Lord’s people? 2 Or do you not know that the Lord’s people will judge the world? And if you are to judge the world, are you not competent to judge trivial cases? 3 Do you not know that we will judge angels? How much more the things of this life! 4 Therefore, if you have disputes about such matters, do you ask for a ruling from those whose way of life is scorned in the church? 5 I say this to shame you. Is it possible that there is nobody among you wise enough to judge a dispute between believers? 6 But instead, one brother takes another to court–and this in front of unbelievers!</p>
<p>7 The very fact that you have lawsuits among you means you have been completely defeated already. Why not rather be wronged? Why not rather be cheated? 8 Instead, you yourselves cheat and do wrong, and you do this to your brothers and sisters. 9 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men[p] 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.</b></p>
<p>But the Bible said &#8220;judge not lest you be judged&#8221;! Yea, and that&#8217;s why people read it and do not understand what&#8217;s in it. See, it didn&#8217;t say you won&#8217;t be judged for the crime punishable by death. It said the way in which you judge the crimes of humans and angels, will be returned back unto you. But as a human, they don&#8217;t understand that, they just quote dogma as if it the Bible was jesus&#8217; second coming already.</p>
<p>This would include all these American mortals that think lawsuits and fighting the Left using Lucifer&#8217;s knowledge from Alinsky, is &#8220;Winning&#8221;. Heh</p>
<p><b> Already you have all you want! Already you have become rich! You have begun to reign–and that without us! How I wish that you really had begun to reign so that we also might reign with you! 9 For it seems to me that God has put us apostles on display at the end of the procession, like those condemned to die in the arena. We have been made a spectacle to the whole universe, to angels as well as to human beings. 10 We are fools for Christ, but you are so wise in Christ! We are weak, but you are strong! You are honored, we are dishonored! 11 To this very hour we go hungry and thirsty, we are in rags, we are brutally treated, we are homeless. 12 We work hard with our own hands. When we are cursed, we bless; when we are persecuted, we endure it; 13 when we are slandered, we answer kindly. We have become the scum of the earth, the garbage of the world–right up to this moment.</b></p>
<p>Apparently SJWs and Ctrl Left existed back then to fight too.</p>
<p><b>True and False Prophets</p>
<p>15“Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.</p>
<p>True and False Disciples</p>
<p>21“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23Then I will tell them plainly, ‘You never knew me. Away from me, you evildoers!’</b></p>
<p>The Hebrews loved honey, milk, lamb sacrifice, and plant grafting analogies. Hard for a modern 21st century city person to understand, I know. Generally speaking, if the sons and grand sons of a church are good, then the Doctrine/Gospel was correct. If they are not, then probably not.</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Jul 2017 01:03:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Another Liberation theology wannabe and false prophet.

They don&#039;t want you to pray for Donald Trum because prayer works based upon the intercession principle of the Divine Counsel.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another Liberation theology wannabe and false prophet.</p>
<p>They don&#8217;t want you to pray for Donald Trum because prayer works based upon the intercession principle of the Divine Counsel.</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jul 2017 02:02:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sharon W: I knew Bonhoeffer spent important time in America. I didn&#039;t know he worshiped in a black church, so I read some web pages on it this morning.

I&#039;m ambivalent about Bonhoeffer. In my Christian days I had an extended discussion with two Bonhoeffer advocates who were keen on Bonhoeffer&#039;s cheap vs. costly grace framework. 

Which I understood in terms of Bonhoeffer&#039;s life, but I&#039;m not sure how well it applies to regular Americans.

The &quot;costly grace&quot; Christians seemed to be playing a game of &quot;my grace is superior to your grace.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sharon W: I knew Bonhoeffer spent important time in America. I didn&#8217;t know he worshiped in a black church, so I read some web pages on it this morning.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m ambivalent about Bonhoeffer. In my Christian days I had an extended discussion with two Bonhoeffer advocates who were keen on Bonhoeffer&#8217;s cheap vs. costly grace framework. </p>
<p>Which I understood in terms of Bonhoeffer&#8217;s life, but I&#8217;m not sure how well it applies to regular Americans.</p>
<p>The &#8220;costly grace&#8221; Christians seemed to be playing a game of &#8220;my grace is superior to your grace.&#8221;</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jul 2017 15:01:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I take exception to Bill&#039;s understanding of the black church and conservative theology.  When Bonhoeffer was here prior to WW2, he worshipped with the black church, finding it to be the only place (in his opinion) where sound theology was to be found.  It was a point of instruction to me that the progressive strain that is manifest in Christianity as the &quot;SJW&quot; in our present time was alive and well in New York by way of the mainline churches and the well-connected.  (See Fosdick, Rockefeller &#038; Luce.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I take exception to Bill&#8217;s understanding of the black church and conservative theology.  When Bonhoeffer was here prior to WW2, he worshipped with the black church, finding it to be the only place (in his opinion) where sound theology was to be found.  It was a point of instruction to me that the progressive strain that is manifest in Christianity as the &#8220;SJW&#8221; in our present time was alive and well in New York by way of the mainline churches and the well-connected.  (See Fosdick, Rockefeller &amp; Luce.)</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[Of course, one can find lots of unsettling subcultures of religion, racial thinking and hate, but they are usually small and marginalized.

However, Trinity was Obama&#039;s chrysalis for emerging as a powerful black politician and from there president of the US.

Obama was an official member of this church from 1992 to 2008, when the world discovered Rev. Wright was a race-baiting, America hater and Wright became too much of a liability for Obama&#039;s campaign.

Obama sat in the pews of that church and listened to race hate and America hate for sixteen years and never made a peep about it. In fact Rev. Wright became his mentor and family friend. The title for Obama&#039;s book, &quot;The Audacity of Hope,&quot; came from a Wright sermon.

I find this astonishing.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course, one can find lots of unsettling subcultures of religion, racial thinking and hate, but they are usually small and marginalized.</p>
<p>However, Trinity was Obama&#8217;s chrysalis for emerging as a powerful black politician and from there president of the US.</p>
<p>Obama was an official member of this church from 1992 to 2008, when the world discovered Rev. Wright was a race-baiting, America hater and Wright became too much of a liability for Obama&#8217;s campaign.</p>
<p>Obama sat in the pews of that church and listened to race hate and America hate for sixteen years and never made a peep about it. In fact Rev. Wright became his mentor and family friend. The title for Obama&#8217;s book, &#8220;The Audacity of Hope,&#8221; came from a Wright sermon.</p>
<p>I find this astonishing.</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[DNW: Trinity United (Rev. Wright&#039;s church) has cleaned up its website so there&#039;s not so much Black Power wackadoo, but you can still find &quot;The Black Value System&quot; available:

https://trinitychicago.org/the-black-value-system/

My favorite of the 12 Points:

&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;8. Disavowal of the Pursuit of “Middleclassness.”&lt;/b&gt;

Classic methodology on control of captives teaches that captors must be able to identify the “talented tenth” of those subjugated, especially those who show promise of providing the kind of leadership that might threaten the captor’s control.

Those so identified are separated from the rest of the people by:

* Killing them off directly, and/or fostering a social system that encourages them to kill off one another.

* Placing them in concentration camps, and/or structuring an economic environment that induces captive youth to fill the jails and prisons.

* Seducing them into a socioeconomic class system which, while training them to earn more dollars, hypnotizes them into believing they are better than others and teaches them to think in terms of “we” and “they” instead of “us.”

* So, while it is permissible to chase “middleclassness” with all our might, we must avoid the third separation method — the psychological entrapment of Black “middleclassness.&lt;/i&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DNW: Trinity United (Rev. Wright&#8217;s church) has cleaned up its website so there&#8217;s not so much Black Power wackadoo, but you can still find &#8220;The Black Value System&#8221; available:</p>
<p><a href="https://trinitychicago.org/the-black-value-system/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://trinitychicago.org/the-black-value-system/</a></p>
<p>My favorite of the 12 Points:</p>
<p><i><b>8. Disavowal of the Pursuit of “Middleclassness.”</b></p>
<p>Classic methodology on control of captives teaches that captors must be able to identify the “talented tenth” of those subjugated, especially those who show promise of providing the kind of leadership that might threaten the captor’s control.</p>
<p>Those so identified are separated from the rest of the people by:</p>
<p>* Killing them off directly, and/or fostering a social system that encourages them to kill off one another.</p>
<p>* Placing them in concentration camps, and/or structuring an economic environment that induces captive youth to fill the jails and prisons.</p>
<p>* Seducing them into a socioeconomic class system which, while training them to earn more dollars, hypnotizes them into believing they are better than others and teaches them to think in terms of “we” and “they” instead of “us.”</p>
<p>* So, while it is permissible to chase “middleclassness” with all our might, we must avoid the third separation method — the psychological entrapment of Black “middleclassness.</i></p>
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					<description><![CDATA[DNW Says: 
July 19th, 2017 at 5:51 pm
...

One line that struck me was the claim that he was leading an “Afrocentric” church.

This is kind of interesting since most, even nominally Christian churches, would probably claim that they were Christ centric.
* * *
C. S. Lewis, not surprisingly, addressed this situation in The Screwtape Letters.
The &quot;x-centric&quot; formulation is very ancient; only the &quot;x&quot; changes.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DNW Says:<br />
July 19th, 2017 at 5:51 pm<br />
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<p>One line that struck me was the claim that he was leading an “Afrocentric” church.</p>
<p>This is kind of interesting since most, even nominally Christian churches, would probably claim that they were Christ centric.<br />
* * *<br />
C. S. Lewis, not surprisingly, addressed this situation in The Screwtape Letters.<br />
The &#8220;x-centric&#8221; formulation is very ancient; only the &#8220;x&#8221; changes.</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jul 2017 01:46:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Just a small observation: you don&#039;t have to go to Divinity School in order to understand and implement basic Christian doctrines -- a lot of 8-year-olds manage that quite well --  but you do get training in your specific denominational interpretations and the practicum of ministerial work.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a small observation: you don&#8217;t have to go to Divinity School in order to understand and implement basic Christian doctrines &#8212; a lot of 8-year-olds manage that quite well &#8212;  but you do get training in your specific denominational interpretations and the practicum of ministerial work.</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[On the Rat-Poison-Gate scandal: caustic hyperbole is a staple technique of most verbal fisticuffs.

Some of us take such comments seriously but not literally.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the Rat-Poison-Gate scandal: caustic hyperbole is a staple technique of most verbal fisticuffs.</p>
<p>Some of us take such comments seriously but not literally.</p>
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