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		By: Ymar Sakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2017/07/07/europe-and-the-us-roger-simon-asks/#comment-2232493</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ymar Sakar]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;Frog Says: 
July 8th, 2017 at 9:38 pm&lt;/b&gt;

Since the comment is to GB&#039;s comment, there&#039;s context. http://neoneocon.com/2017/07/05/meanwhile-north-korea-rattles-some-icbm-sabres-and-trump-chides-china/

Ymar is hard to stick a label on. Labels like atheist, anti Christian, or Leftist, are good and nice to be able to filter out people and stop paying attention to them. People who cross genres and labels, are hard to label and it tends to drive people to extremes.

Trum is another one.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Frog Says:<br />
July 8th, 2017 at 9:38 pm</b></p>
<p>Since the comment is to GB&#8217;s comment, there&#8217;s context. <a href="http://neoneocon.com/2017/07/05/meanwhile-north-korea-rattles-some-icbm-sabres-and-trump-chides-china/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://neoneocon.com/2017/07/05/meanwhile-north-korea-rattles-some-icbm-sabres-and-trump-chides-china/</a></p>
<p>Ymar is hard to stick a label on. Labels like atheist, anti Christian, or Leftist, are good and nice to be able to filter out people and stop paying attention to them. People who cross genres and labels, are hard to label and it tends to drive people to extremes.</p>
<p>Trum is another one.</p>
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		By: Frog		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Jul 2017 01:38:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ymar is less than clear when he writes &quot;The irony is that the Christianity of the West, and their reliance on hypocrisy instead of the truth, will also result in their destruction.&quot;
Who is &quot;their&quot;?
What is &quot;their&quot; truth, &quot;their&quot; hypocrisy?
If he speaks of Christianity, what truth does he prefer, and why? How well versed is he in Christianity? Including its history? Does he prefer Eastern Christianity over that of the West?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ymar is less than clear when he writes &#8220;The irony is that the Christianity of the West, and their reliance on hypocrisy instead of the truth, will also result in their destruction.&#8221;<br />
Who is &#8220;their&#8221;?<br />
What is &#8220;their&#8221; truth, &#8220;their&#8221; hypocrisy?<br />
If he speaks of Christianity, what truth does he prefer, and why? How well versed is he in Christianity? Including its history? Does he prefer Eastern Christianity over that of the West?</p>
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		By: A_Nonny_Mouse		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Jul 2017 19:33:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Another thought on “But I also don’t think Europe–and we’re talking about Western Europe here, to be clear–believes it will require saving.” 

They&#039;re living sooo deeply inside their &quot;Vision of the Annointed&quot; (to steal from Thomas Sowell)  that the OBVIOUS PATTERNS of refusal-to-assimilate to Western standards of behavior (the riots, the rapes, the beheadings and stabbings, the unemployment, the skyrocketing costs of welfare, the no-go zones, the criminality, the trash and litter in the &quot;refugee&quot; areas, the insistence that THEIR habits, customs and beliefs should take precedence over the laws and culture of their new country) are simply not seen, not acknowledged, not considered to be &quot;a pattern&quot; at all.  

You&#039;ve got ten-thousand &quot;one-off&quot; incidents of &quot;an isolated, mentally disturbed, anti-social individual&quot;, and The European Leaders are totally and willfully blind to the fact they have a REAL and GROWING problem.  They&#039;ve fixed their minds to the belief that THEIR OWN CITIZENS &quot;cause&quot; all the problems by &quot;not being welcoming enough to the newcomers&quot;.   

Liberals have a habit of inverting cause-and-effect.  (Think of the Community Reinvestment Act: &quot;make homes cheaply available to The Poor And Under-Served, and they will develop middle-class habits and take care of their property, and Urban Blight will be eliminated&quot;.  This is TRULY what they believed 
would happen.)   

But Reality will not be ignored; neither will human nature.  &quot;Whatever I can get away with&quot; will be the order of the day until  &quot;... terror and slaughter return&quot;.   

I&#039;m not entirely sure the Civilized West will be able to survive the Return of Kipling&#039;s Terrible Gods.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another thought on “But I also don’t think Europe–and we’re talking about Western Europe here, to be clear–believes it will require saving.” </p>
<p>They&#8217;re living sooo deeply inside their &#8220;Vision of the Annointed&#8221; (to steal from Thomas Sowell)  that the OBVIOUS PATTERNS of refusal-to-assimilate to Western standards of behavior (the riots, the rapes, the beheadings and stabbings, the unemployment, the skyrocketing costs of welfare, the no-go zones, the criminality, the trash and litter in the &#8220;refugee&#8221; areas, the insistence that THEIR habits, customs and beliefs should take precedence over the laws and culture of their new country) are simply not seen, not acknowledged, not considered to be &#8220;a pattern&#8221; at all.  </p>
<p>You&#8217;ve got ten-thousand &#8220;one-off&#8221; incidents of &#8220;an isolated, mentally disturbed, anti-social individual&#8221;, and The European Leaders are totally and willfully blind to the fact they have a REAL and GROWING problem.  They&#8217;ve fixed their minds to the belief that THEIR OWN CITIZENS &#8220;cause&#8221; all the problems by &#8220;not being welcoming enough to the newcomers&#8221;.   </p>
<p>Liberals have a habit of inverting cause-and-effect.  (Think of the Community Reinvestment Act: &#8220;make homes cheaply available to The Poor And Under-Served, and they will develop middle-class habits and take care of their property, and Urban Blight will be eliminated&#8221;.  This is TRULY what they believed<br />
would happen.)   </p>
<p>But Reality will not be ignored; neither will human nature.  &#8220;Whatever I can get away with&#8221; will be the order of the day until  &#8220;&#8230; terror and slaughter return&#8221;.   </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not entirely sure the Civilized West will be able to survive the Return of Kipling&#8217;s Terrible Gods.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Jul 2017 18:16:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;But I also don’t think Europe–and we’re talking about Western Europe here, to be clear–believes it will require saving.&quot;  And they won&#039;t, until it&#039;s too late.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But I also don’t think Europe–and we’re talking about Western Europe here, to be clear–believes it will require saving.&#8221;  And they won&#8217;t, until it&#8217;s too late.</p>
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		By: Tuvea		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Jul 2017 13:41:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Per Tom Lehrer at least we won&#039;t have to worry about the Germans.  &quot;We taught them a lesson in 1918 and they&#039;ve hardly bothered us since then.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Per Tom Lehrer at least we won&#8217;t have to worry about the Germans.  &#8220;We taught them a lesson in 1918 and they&#8217;ve hardly bothered us since then.&#8221;</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Jul 2017 05:54:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The reason the EU can&#039;t pay for its foreign defense is that it has used up its money paying to clean up after its own internal rioters.  Not unlike the US, btw.

http://gatesofvienna.net/2017/07/the-german-ship-of-fools-on-the-rocks-in-hamburg/

&quot;Fortunately, there is always someone to pay for the party – you can rely on the taxpayer. And when a protest under the peaceful moniker “Welcome to Hell” gets just a little bit out of hand, then surely it was the fault of the police officers who forgot their good manners. That’s the way things are on the Ship of Fools HMS Germany, where every protest is “political” as long as the “activist” can just scribble his phrase on his banner – like “sink capitalism” and all that. On such occasions, even the local theater opens its gates for those brave anti-globalists who did not find any more room at the nearby campsite. A halo is best polished with state money.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The reason the EU can&#8217;t pay for its foreign defense is that it has used up its money paying to clean up after its own internal rioters.  Not unlike the US, btw.</p>
<p><a href="http://gatesofvienna.net/2017/07/the-german-ship-of-fools-on-the-rocks-in-hamburg/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://gatesofvienna.net/2017/07/the-german-ship-of-fools-on-the-rocks-in-hamburg/</a></p>
<p>&#8220;Fortunately, there is always someone to pay for the party – you can rely on the taxpayer. And when a protest under the peaceful moniker “Welcome to Hell” gets just a little bit out of hand, then surely it was the fault of the police officers who forgot their good manners. That’s the way things are on the Ship of Fools HMS Germany, where every protest is “political” as long as the “activist” can just scribble his phrase on his banner – like “sink capitalism” and all that. On such occasions, even the local theater opens its gates for those brave anti-globalists who did not find any more room at the nearby campsite. A halo is best polished with state money.&#8221;</p>
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		By: Ymar Sakar		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ymar Sakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Jul 2017 05:44:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It is also Ironic that a country called America, so big on individual self reliance, has made the entire world drink of its power and addictive wealth, creating a co dependency.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is also Ironic that a country called America, so big on individual self reliance, has made the entire world drink of its power and addictive wealth, creating a co dependency.</p>
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		By: Ymar Sakar		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Jul 2017 05:43:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;Irony writ large that leftist Western Europe’s post modernistic precepts such as multiculturalism and transnationalism will result in its own destruction.&lt;/b&gt;

The irony is that the Christianity of the West, and their reliance on hypocrisy instead of the truth, will also result in their destruction. The church of Leftist gaia cults and ideological religious dogma won&#039;t save them, either.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Irony writ large that leftist Western Europe’s post modernistic precepts such as multiculturalism and transnationalism will result in its own destruction.</b></p>
<p>The irony is that the Christianity of the West, and their reliance on hypocrisy instead of the truth, will also result in their destruction. The church of Leftist gaia cults and ideological religious dogma won&#8217;t save them, either.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Jul 2017 05:21:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Lizzy Says: 
July 7th, 2017 at 10:20 pm..

As always with the Left, you have to trust their actions over their words. To paraphrase Instapundit, I’ll believe it’s safe to live among the refugees when those who tell me they’re safe and only enrich their community choose to live with them.
* * *
There&#039;s a reason why Instapundit is such a big go-to blog.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lizzy Says:<br />
July 7th, 2017 at 10:20 pm..</p>
<p>As always with the Left, you have to trust their actions over their words. To paraphrase Instapundit, I’ll believe it’s safe to live among the refugees when those who tell me they’re safe and only enrich their community choose to live with them.<br />
* * *<br />
There&#8217;s a reason why Instapundit is such a big go-to blog.</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sgt. Mom Says: 
July 7th, 2017 at 3:51 pm
As fond as I am of my memories of Europe, and of having lived and traveled there, I have to say that if they won’t fight for themselves, for their way of life, their history and their institutions — why should we fight for them?
* * *
Roger Simon left out one of the precedents.
&quot;If things get really bad, daddy (Uncle Sam) will come to the rescue again, just as he did in WWII with the Marshall Plan and in the Cold War.&quot;

WWI was the first big rescue (I count the American Experiment itself as a &quot;save&quot; as well, for the countries moving from monarchy to democracy), and the Marshall Plan followed winning the war.  &lt;b&gt;In both wars, Europe was still interested in saving itself, &lt;/b&gt;although I&#039;m not as sure about the Cold War (Eastern Bloc countries had a bigger reason to cheer the end of the Cold War than did the Western Bloc, which was indeed protected from Russian expansion by the US commitment).

Trump&#039;s speech in Poland is almost a game-changer.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2017/07/07/trumps_powerful_speech_in_poland_134405.html

https://amgreatness.com/2017/07/07/trumps-defense-west-every-foot-ground-every-last-inch/

Which is why the MSM is spinning it like a top.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sgt. Mom Says:<br />
July 7th, 2017 at 3:51 pm<br />
As fond as I am of my memories of Europe, and of having lived and traveled there, I have to say that if they won’t fight for themselves, for their way of life, their history and their institutions — why should we fight for them?<br />
* * *<br />
Roger Simon left out one of the precedents.<br />
&#8220;If things get really bad, daddy (Uncle Sam) will come to the rescue again, just as he did in WWII with the Marshall Plan and in the Cold War.&#8221;</p>
<p>WWI was the first big rescue (I count the American Experiment itself as a &#8220;save&#8221; as well, for the countries moving from monarchy to democracy), and the Marshall Plan followed winning the war.  <b>In both wars, Europe was still interested in saving itself, </b>although I&#8217;m not as sure about the Cold War (Eastern Bloc countries had a bigger reason to cheer the end of the Cold War than did the Western Bloc, which was indeed protected from Russian expansion by the US commitment).</p>
<p>Trump&#8217;s speech in Poland is almost a game-changer.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2017/07/07/trumps_powerful_speech_in_poland_134405.html" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2017/07/07/trumps_powerful_speech_in_poland_134405.html</a></p>
<p><a href="https://amgreatness.com/2017/07/07/trumps-defense-west-every-foot-ground-every-last-inch/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://amgreatness.com/2017/07/07/trumps-defense-west-every-foot-ground-every-last-inch/</a></p>
<p>Which is why the MSM is spinning it like a top.</p>
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