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		By: Ymar Sakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2017/07/03/the-new-york-times-2/#comment-2230185</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jul 2017 15:48:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;He’s complaining that our side isn’t more noble and self-restrained, when the other side’s been rioting in the streets. Apparently, Bill would prefer we lose with dignity, like McCain and Romney did, than win with bare knuckles.&lt;/b&gt;

You can dismiss Bill as a cuck and omega with that line, Sean... but try using that on me.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>He’s complaining that our side isn’t more noble and self-restrained, when the other side’s been rioting in the streets. Apparently, Bill would prefer we lose with dignity, like McCain and Romney did, than win with bare knuckles.</b></p>
<p>You can dismiss Bill as a cuck and omega with that line, Sean&#8230; but try using that on me.</p>
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		By: Ymar Sakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2017/07/03/the-new-york-times-2/#comment-2229914</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ymar Sakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jul 2017 00:17:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[As for no news vs some news, that&#039;s like some Hollywood bullsh vs no Hollywood bullsh. It&#039;s just a little bit of bad stuff, right, it won&#039;t hurt you.

A father I knew said, &quot;okay, let&#039;s eat some cookies before you go then&quot;. Then the father takes some dogshit and mixes a little bit into the cookies, while the sons watch, and then finishes them and gives it to the sons. The sons say &quot;you know we aren&#039;t going to eat it right&quot;.

The father replies, &quot;but it&#039;s only a little bit in it&quot;.

Mark Twain&#039;s infamous quip. If you refuse to read the news, you are uninformed. If you read the news, you are misinformed. He left out the third option.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As for no news vs some news, that&#8217;s like some Hollywood bullsh vs no Hollywood bullsh. It&#8217;s just a little bit of bad stuff, right, it won&#8217;t hurt you.</p>
<p>A father I knew said, &#8220;okay, let&#8217;s eat some cookies before you go then&#8221;. Then the father takes some dogshit and mixes a little bit into the cookies, while the sons watch, and then finishes them and gives it to the sons. The sons say &#8220;you know we aren&#8217;t going to eat it right&#8221;.</p>
<p>The father replies, &#8220;but it&#8217;s only a little bit in it&#8221;.</p>
<p>Mark Twain&#8217;s infamous quip. If you refuse to read the news, you are uninformed. If you read the news, you are misinformed. He left out the third option.</p>
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		By: Ymar Sakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2017/07/03/the-new-york-times-2/#comment-2229907</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ymar Sakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jul 2017 00:07:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Congratulations on putting a bunch of HUMANS in charge of your presses, mortal livestock. Good job on that one.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congratulations on putting a bunch of HUMANS in charge of your presses, mortal livestock. Good job on that one.</p>
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		By: Ymar Sakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2017/07/03/the-new-york-times-2/#comment-2229906</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ymar Sakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jul 2017 00:07:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;Out-bitter-cynic’ing an old bitter cynic.&lt;/b&gt;

When all you conservative and ctrl left were losing your heads over the alt right, that was when I kept mine. But now one faction is in the victory phase, so I can increase my counter rate. For 4 years, I rest for 1 year and act mellow. The other 3 years...


Everything the media told you was a lie. Including Civil War being fought for &quot;state&#039;s rights&quot;, Vietnam, Tet, Iraq, Iraq 2. They made lots of stuff up.

The &quot;free press&quot; class of humans was also a lie and great deception. 4th estate was even better than that. People here were talking about this exact subject even. It has gotten quite popular. 

The secret they never let out was this: the Founding Fathers was talking about freeing the presses, meaning preventing any HUMAN from tampering or sabotaging a press which got the word out.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Out-bitter-cynic’ing an old bitter cynic.</b></p>
<p>When all you conservative and ctrl left were losing your heads over the alt right, that was when I kept mine. But now one faction is in the victory phase, so I can increase my counter rate. For 4 years, I rest for 1 year and act mellow. The other 3 years&#8230;</p>
<p>Everything the media told you was a lie. Including Civil War being fought for &#8220;state&#8217;s rights&#8221;, Vietnam, Tet, Iraq, Iraq 2. They made lots of stuff up.</p>
<p>The &#8220;free press&#8221; class of humans was also a lie and great deception. 4th estate was even better than that. People here were talking about this exact subject even. It has gotten quite popular. </p>
<p>The secret they never let out was this: the Founding Fathers was talking about freeing the presses, meaning preventing any HUMAN from tampering or sabotaging a press which got the word out.</p>
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		By: Bill		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2017/07/03/the-new-york-times-2/#comment-2229645</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Jul 2017 17:17:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Well, I still stand by what I&#039;ve said here in principle about the importance of a free press and the dangers of propaganda coming from the white house.

But then CNN has to act like the mob going after and threatening to expose some dumb kid who posted stupid racist and anti-CNN blather on Reddit...

I hate this particular cultural moment we&#039;re living through . . .]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I still stand by what I&#8217;ve said here in principle about the importance of a free press and the dangers of propaganda coming from the white house.</p>
<p>But then CNN has to act like the mob going after and threatening to expose some dumb kid who posted stupid racist and anti-CNN blather on Reddit&#8230;</p>
<p>I hate this particular cultural moment we&#8217;re living through . . .</p>
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		By: Kyndyll G		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Jul 2017 17:16:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;The idea that they ever had possession of redeeming values… is why you should have pitied yourself, not the world.&quot;

Wow, Ymar. Look at you: Out-bitter-cynic&#039;ing an old bitter cynic. I was young once (a young conservative actually) and imagined being a newswriter, finding the facts and presenting them to the public to do my part in creating the educated citizenry essential to the survival of the Republic. When I was an idealistic youth, that was my ideal.

Yes, journalism let me down, but in the pre-Internet days, MSM still had some worth - slanted news vs. no news.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The idea that they ever had possession of redeeming values… is why you should have pitied yourself, not the world.&#8221;</p>
<p>Wow, Ymar. Look at you: Out-bitter-cynic&#8217;ing an old bitter cynic. I was young once (a young conservative actually) and imagined being a newswriter, finding the facts and presenting them to the public to do my part in creating the educated citizenry essential to the survival of the Republic. When I was an idealistic youth, that was my ideal.</p>
<p>Yes, journalism let me down, but in the pre-Internet days, MSM still had some worth &#8211; slanted news vs. no news.</p>
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		By: Ymar Sakar		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Jul 2017 16:58:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;They are despicable, no longer in possession of any redeeming value.&lt;/b&gt;

The idea that they ever had possession of redeeming values... is why you should have pitied yourself, not the world.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>They are despicable, no longer in possession of any redeeming value.</b></p>
<p>The idea that they ever had possession of redeeming values&#8230; is why you should have pitied yourself, not the world.</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Jul 2017 16:57:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;Or would you rather his supporters just stayed home and let Hillary win?&lt;/b&gt;

Are you going to follow a god or a human god emperor. That&#039;s the real conflict of loyalty issue.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Or would you rather his supporters just stayed home and let Hillary win?</b></p>
<p>Are you going to follow a god or a human god emperor. That&#8217;s the real conflict of loyalty issue.</p>
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		By: Big Maq		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2017/07/03/the-new-york-times-2/#comment-2229559</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Jul 2017 14:45:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Kyndyll - I have a dim view of the media also.
http://neoneocon.com/2017/06/29/im-with-sharyl-attkisson-on-this/#comment-2227295

trump is an escalation.  So, is it any wonder it seems like there is a &quot;barrage&quot;?

Heck, he seems to relish this kind of &quot;fighting&quot; above all else.
.

But, that is just it.  It really isn&#039;t a &quot;barrage&quot;, but more of the elevation of the &quot;sensational&quot;, the hype.

If trump can &quot;get away&quot; with obvious lies, then surely more of those in the media with an agenda think it is fair game to also overlook obvious falsehoods and report the sensational and hype it to the max. 

Once we chose a man who &quot;goes there&quot;, we&#039;ve effectively declared &quot;open season&quot;.
.

Oh, but &quot;they did it first!&quot;.  

I&#039;m sure we can find folks acting in good faith on both sides who might well think exactly that and believe they are right to behave this way.  

We can go down the rat hole of who acted poorly first, and why doing the same is justified.

In the end, we are being played by those who want to evoke a strong emotion from us, be it for attention, for advertising dollars, or for political support.  They all don&#039;t have our interest at core.

And, we are eating it up.  The media ratings seem to have improved all around.  All this is good for business.

But is it good for what we want implemented?
.

Interesting theory that there would be this &quot;barrage&quot; for other GOP candidates.  

Seems to me that we could expect the same treatment as GWB or Romney received - still not &quot;good&quot; or &quot;fair&quot; by any means.

The media&#039;s basis for their hype would have far less to stand on, the candidates&#039; character far less an obvious problem nor so easy to impugn, and the candidates&#039;d be far more focused and less prone to baiting, especially on petty things.

They were also likely to focus on an agenda, and organize and build support for that.

But, this is all our own speculation and unprovable at the moment, either way.

The sure thing is that the GOP brand has been tarnished, and it remains to be seen how far that goes and how much time before it takes before it recovers.

Credibility and Trust.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Kyndyll &#8211; I have a dim view of the media also.<br />
<a href="http://neoneocon.com/2017/06/29/im-with-sharyl-attkisson-on-this/#comment-2227295" rel="nofollow ugc">http://neoneocon.com/2017/06/29/im-with-sharyl-attkisson-on-this/#comment-2227295</a></p>
<p>trump is an escalation.  So, is it any wonder it seems like there is a &#8220;barrage&#8221;?</p>
<p>Heck, he seems to relish this kind of &#8220;fighting&#8221; above all else.<br />
.</p>
<p>But, that is just it.  It really isn&#8217;t a &#8220;barrage&#8221;, but more of the elevation of the &#8220;sensational&#8221;, the hype.</p>
<p>If trump can &#8220;get away&#8221; with obvious lies, then surely more of those in the media with an agenda think it is fair game to also overlook obvious falsehoods and report the sensational and hype it to the max. </p>
<p>Once we chose a man who &#8220;goes there&#8221;, we&#8217;ve effectively declared &#8220;open season&#8221;.<br />
.</p>
<p>Oh, but &#8220;they did it first!&#8221;.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure we can find folks acting in good faith on both sides who might well think exactly that and believe they are right to behave this way.  </p>
<p>We can go down the rat hole of who acted poorly first, and why doing the same is justified.</p>
<p>In the end, we are being played by those who want to evoke a strong emotion from us, be it for attention, for advertising dollars, or for political support.  They all don&#8217;t have our interest at core.</p>
<p>And, we are eating it up.  The media ratings seem to have improved all around.  All this is good for business.</p>
<p>But is it good for what we want implemented?<br />
.</p>
<p>Interesting theory that there would be this &#8220;barrage&#8221; for other GOP candidates.  </p>
<p>Seems to me that we could expect the same treatment as GWB or Romney received &#8211; still not &#8220;good&#8221; or &#8220;fair&#8221; by any means.</p>
<p>The media&#8217;s basis for their hype would have far less to stand on, the candidates&#8217; character far less an obvious problem nor so easy to impugn, and the candidates&#8217;d be far more focused and less prone to baiting, especially on petty things.</p>
<p>They were also likely to focus on an agenda, and organize and build support for that.</p>
<p>But, this is all our own speculation and unprovable at the moment, either way.</p>
<p>The sure thing is that the GOP brand has been tarnished, and it remains to be seen how far that goes and how much time before it takes before it recovers.</p>
<p>Credibility and Trust.</p>
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		By: Big Maq		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Jul 2017 13:48:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@huxley - I understand the game theory aspect of tit for tat.

The point is it is JUVENILE tit for tat.

And, the follow up was a question on if that actually is achieving anything of value vs other uses of trump&#039;s limited &quot;air time&quot;.

AFAIC, trump&#039;s attention on this is giving the msm way more power from these things than they deserve, providing them more fodder for their narrative, and, importantly, is not building support of any of the good things he says he wants to do.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@huxley &#8211; I understand the game theory aspect of tit for tat.</p>
<p>The point is it is JUVENILE tit for tat.</p>
<p>And, the follow up was a question on if that actually is achieving anything of value vs other uses of trump&#8217;s limited &#8220;air time&#8221;.</p>
<p>AFAIC, trump&#8217;s attention on this is giving the msm way more power from these things than they deserve, providing them more fodder for their narrative, and, importantly, is not building support of any of the good things he says he wants to do.</p>
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