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		By: tshirt		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2017/06/22/tale-of-the-non-tapes-trump-says/#comment-2226829</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jun 2017 19:42:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		By: Big Maq		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2017/06/22/tale-of-the-non-tapes-trump-says/#comment-2225105</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Big Maq]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jun 2017 14:34:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Richard S - 3d chess all the way!  And, BONUS, it is FUN!!!

Yep, that HAS to be the best and most obvious explanation for all we see.

It couldn&#039;t possibly be a man who seems obsessed (and gets baited himself) by the personal and petty, who is willing to lie (big and small) his way out of things?
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The &quot;everyone here knows&quot; appeal falls flat when one looks at trump&#039;s approval ratings... they are in the tank.  

Evidently, far more people &quot;know&quot; that it is NOT really &quot;trump is baiting the dems / msm&quot;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Richard S &#8211; 3d chess all the way!  And, BONUS, it is FUN!!!</p>
<p>Yep, that HAS to be the best and most obvious explanation for all we see.</p>
<p>It couldn&#8217;t possibly be a man who seems obsessed (and gets baited himself) by the personal and petty, who is willing to lie (big and small) his way out of things?<br />
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<p>The &#8220;everyone here knows&#8221; appeal falls flat when one looks at trump&#8217;s approval ratings&#8230; they are in the tank.  </p>
<p>Evidently, far more people &#8220;know&#8221; that it is NOT really &#8220;trump is baiting the dems / msm&#8221;.</p>
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		By: Big Maq		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2017/06/22/tale-of-the-non-tapes-trump-says/#comment-2225094</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Big Maq]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jun 2017 13:25:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Most of the responses here are of the sort... &quot;trump is the only one we&#039;ve got right now, so we need to support him&quot;.

That seems fine on the surface but for a few things:

1)  That is PRECISELY what we hated about the dems and their blind support of obama - they&#039;d cover every obvious and outlandish error or foolishness of his.

2)  It is not merely that the left, msm, dems are out for trump, (which, of course, they are), but that it is trump&#039;s own behavior that is creating and perpetuating much of what we see.

3)  trump hired some excellent folks (and some not so), but seems h*ll bent on ignoring their advice, or worse (repeatedly) undermining them (or throwing them under the bus) even when they are going to bat for him.
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It is far from clear that trump&#039;s behavior is going to get us what we want, and perhaps might end up worse in the long run.  

Certainly, cheering him on and/or excusing it all seems to embolden more of the same behavior.

Be it children or employees, without some kind of consequence or feedback loop, there won&#039;t be a change in behavior.

trump may be the GOP POTUS we have, but it is not a good excuse to accept what he is doing if we think it is not getting us where we need to go, for getting anywhere close to the kinds of changes we need, or perhaps stumbling into something worse.

We&#039;ll see.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most of the responses here are of the sort&#8230; &#8220;trump is the only one we&#8217;ve got right now, so we need to support him&#8221;.</p>
<p>That seems fine on the surface but for a few things:</p>
<p>1)  That is PRECISELY what we hated about the dems and their blind support of obama &#8211; they&#8217;d cover every obvious and outlandish error or foolishness of his.</p>
<p>2)  It is not merely that the left, msm, dems are out for trump, (which, of course, they are), but that it is trump&#8217;s own behavior that is creating and perpetuating much of what we see.</p>
<p>3)  trump hired some excellent folks (and some not so), but seems h*ll bent on ignoring their advice, or worse (repeatedly) undermining them (or throwing them under the bus) even when they are going to bat for him.<br />
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<p>It is far from clear that trump&#8217;s behavior is going to get us what we want, and perhaps might end up worse in the long run.  </p>
<p>Certainly, cheering him on and/or excusing it all seems to embolden more of the same behavior.</p>
<p>Be it children or employees, without some kind of consequence or feedback loop, there won&#8217;t be a change in behavior.</p>
<p>trump may be the GOP POTUS we have, but it is not a good excuse to accept what he is doing if we think it is not getting us where we need to go, for getting anywhere close to the kinds of changes we need, or perhaps stumbling into something worse.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ll see.</p>
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		By: Bill		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2017/06/22/tale-of-the-non-tapes-trump-says/#comment-2224982</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bill]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jun 2017 04:56:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I know Trump is baiting the dems. It&#039;s an insane tactic to do everything you can to a) act guilty and b) keep the story not just going but growing. I don&#039;t think Trump is insane. Occam&#039;s razor: he just is following his decades old script, the only one he knows, and (I think) damaging himself in the process. 

Turns out Russia did meddle with the election. This story keeps morphing. No idea where it will end up.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know Trump is baiting the dems. It&#8217;s an insane tactic to do everything you can to a) act guilty and b) keep the story not just going but growing. I don&#8217;t think Trump is insane. Occam&#8217;s razor: he just is following his decades old script, the only one he knows, and (I think) damaging himself in the process. </p>
<p>Turns out Russia did meddle with the election. This story keeps morphing. No idea where it will end up.</p>
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		By: Richard Saunders		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Saunders]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jun 2017 21:52:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I find it very amusing that everyone here (except the irreconcilable NeverTrumpers) knows that Trump is just baiting the Dems, the MSM, and Mueller on, by continually talking about Russia -- but the intended victims don&#039;t.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it very amusing that everyone here (except the irreconcilable NeverTrumpers) knows that Trump is just baiting the Dems, the MSM, and Mueller on, by continually talking about Russia &#8212; but the intended victims don&#8217;t.</p>
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		By: Brian E		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2017/06/22/tale-of-the-non-tapes-trump-says/#comment-2224811</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brian E]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jun 2017 19:30:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Bill,
You&#039;re walking down the street and a mugger jumps out in front of you brandishing a pipe and demands all your money.

You pull out a pistol and point it at the thief.

&quot;Is that gun loaded,&quot; the thief asks. &quot;It doesn&#039;t look like it&#039;s loaded.&quot;

What do you tell him? What is your moral obligation to tell the mugger the truth?

Trump is getting mugged.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill,<br />
You&#8217;re walking down the street and a mugger jumps out in front of you brandishing a pipe and demands all your money.</p>
<p>You pull out a pistol and point it at the thief.</p>
<p>&#8220;Is that gun loaded,&#8221; the thief asks. &#8220;It doesn&#8217;t look like it&#8217;s loaded.&#8221;</p>
<p>What do you tell him? What is your moral obligation to tell the mugger the truth?</p>
<p>Trump is getting mugged.</p>
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		By: Bill		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2017/06/22/tale-of-the-non-tapes-trump-says/#comment-2224793</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bill]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jun 2017 18:29:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dave, 

They don&#039;t.

And you don&#039;t have to be a liberal to wonder if Trump is lying...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave, </p>
<p>They don&#8217;t.</p>
<p>And you don&#8217;t have to be a liberal to wonder if Trump is lying&#8230;</p>
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		By: Dave		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2017/06/22/tale-of-the-non-tapes-trump-says/#comment-2224785</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dave]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jun 2017 18:19:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[how do liberals know Trump is not lying about not having recordings of his conversation with Comey now?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>how do liberals know Trump is not lying about not having recordings of his conversation with Comey now?</p>
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		By: Bill		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2017/06/22/tale-of-the-non-tapes-trump-says/#comment-2224782</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bill]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jun 2017 18:12:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;d like to make a distinction on the attacks - Trump&#039;s family has not been &quot;attacked&quot; in the same way Palin&#039;s children were. Other than a few really dumb and classless things said about Barron, Trump&#039;s three oldest kids are his advisors, are running his companies in an (ahem) blind trust, and as far as Ivanka and her husband, are extremely powerful members of the administration with offices in the white house. They are open to criticism. And they are adults. 

Memories are short. I think Palin had it worse than anyone (certainly her kids did) , Bush was routinely compared to a chimp or Hitler (sometimes at the same time). Trump will be fine. But the question is not whether he&#039;s justified in his impulsive tweeting and reckless statements. The question is whether it&#039;s smart. You are in favor of it because you&#039;re in favor of him. But you&#039;re not the ones he needs to convince to support his agenda. 

He didn&#039;t win this round. At least not yet. Comey did. And it was all so needless.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to make a distinction on the attacks &#8211; Trump&#8217;s family has not been &#8220;attacked&#8221; in the same way Palin&#8217;s children were. Other than a few really dumb and classless things said about Barron, Trump&#8217;s three oldest kids are his advisors, are running his companies in an (ahem) blind trust, and as far as Ivanka and her husband, are extremely powerful members of the administration with offices in the white house. They are open to criticism. And they are adults. </p>
<p>Memories are short. I think Palin had it worse than anyone (certainly her kids did) , Bush was routinely compared to a chimp or Hitler (sometimes at the same time). Trump will be fine. But the question is not whether he&#8217;s justified in his impulsive tweeting and reckless statements. The question is whether it&#8217;s smart. You are in favor of it because you&#8217;re in favor of him. But you&#8217;re not the ones he needs to convince to support his agenda. </p>
<p>He didn&#8217;t win this round. At least not yet. Comey did. And it was all so needless.</p>
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		By: Yancey Ward		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2017/06/22/tale-of-the-non-tapes-trump-says/#comment-2224780</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Yancey Ward]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jun 2017 18:05:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The &quot;Comey lied so much&quot; part referred to the anonymous-sourced stories that claimed a vast criminal investigation of Trump officials and their Russian connections, and the fact that Trump&#039;s assertion that Comey told him specifically that he wasn&#039;t under investigation 3 times was a lie contradicted by &quot;close associates&quot; of Comey.

I am asking a legitimate question, Bill.  What part of Comey&#039;s testimony from 2 weeks ago damaged Trump?  All I saw was basically a clean exoneration- Comey said Trump supported the investigation into Russian meddling, even if it involved some of his staff- Comey confirmed that he did tell Trump on three occasions that he wasn&#039;t under investigation-  Comey admitted that Trump only asked if it were possible to let Flynn go after he had been fired- Comey admitted that Trump never broached the subject of Flynn again- Comey admitted that he was the one who leaked the memo- Comey admitted that the various stories about how the investigation into Russian meddling had turned criminal and involved Trump associates were almost a complete fabrications.

All I see in Comey&#039;s testimony is vindication for Trump and his team, and I strongly suspect that Comey and his &quot;team&quot; were the sources for the stories that Comey himself denigrated at the hearing.  Indeed, when you look at Comey&#039;s behavior &lt;i&gt;before he was canned&lt;/i&gt;, it really does look like a deliberate and conscious effort to cast Trump under a cloud of suspicion- a cloud Comey could have dispelled at any time, but chose not to.

You want to know what I think Comey would have done if Trump didn&#039;t hint he had recordings?  I think Comey would have gone before Congress and told them Trump pressured him repeatedly to close the investigations and threatened to fire him if he didn&#039;t.  However, if there are recordings, Comey ends up in prison if he does that.  He can&#039;t do it now because he is committed to the testimony given.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;Comey lied so much&#8221; part referred to the anonymous-sourced stories that claimed a vast criminal investigation of Trump officials and their Russian connections, and the fact that Trump&#8217;s assertion that Comey told him specifically that he wasn&#8217;t under investigation 3 times was a lie contradicted by &#8220;close associates&#8221; of Comey.</p>
<p>I am asking a legitimate question, Bill.  What part of Comey&#8217;s testimony from 2 weeks ago damaged Trump?  All I saw was basically a clean exoneration- Comey said Trump supported the investigation into Russian meddling, even if it involved some of his staff- Comey confirmed that he did tell Trump on three occasions that he wasn&#8217;t under investigation-  Comey admitted that Trump only asked if it were possible to let Flynn go after he had been fired- Comey admitted that Trump never broached the subject of Flynn again- Comey admitted that he was the one who leaked the memo- Comey admitted that the various stories about how the investigation into Russian meddling had turned criminal and involved Trump associates were almost a complete fabrications.</p>
<p>All I see in Comey&#8217;s testimony is vindication for Trump and his team, and I strongly suspect that Comey and his &#8220;team&#8221; were the sources for the stories that Comey himself denigrated at the hearing.  Indeed, when you look at Comey&#8217;s behavior <i>before he was canned</i>, it really does look like a deliberate and conscious effort to cast Trump under a cloud of suspicion- a cloud Comey could have dispelled at any time, but chose not to.</p>
<p>You want to know what I think Comey would have done if Trump didn&#8217;t hint he had recordings?  I think Comey would have gone before Congress and told them Trump pressured him repeatedly to close the investigations and threatened to fire him if he didn&#8217;t.  However, if there are recordings, Comey ends up in prison if he does that.  He can&#8217;t do it now because he is committed to the testimony given.</p>
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