Comments on: The Cosby trial and the issue of consent https://thenewneo.com/2017/06/19/the-cosby-trial-and-the-issue-of-consent/ A blog about political change, among other things Mon, 15 Dec 2025 19:38:45 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=7.0 By: richard40 https://thenewneo.com/2017/06/19/the-cosby-trial-and-the-issue-of-consent/#comment-2224267 Wed, 21 Jun 2017 15:04:54 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/?p=69557#comment-2224267 I dont doubt that Cosby is morally unfit, but I share the doubts that what he did was actually criminal. The key for me is did the women know they were taking the drugs he gave them, and did they go alone to his room willingly, knowing he wanted to have sex with them.

]]> By: Dave https://thenewneo.com/2017/06/19/the-cosby-trial-and-the-issue-of-consent/#comment-2224013 Tue, 20 Jun 2017 20:29:07 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/?p=69557#comment-2224013 instead of “no means no” I seriously believe society needs to develop a new cue word for the girl to conclusively signify rejection to the guy with no room for confusion. the world “NO” is do darn confusion lets be honest, it can mean too many things.

]]> By: Dave https://thenewneo.com/2017/06/19/the-cosby-trial-and-the-issue-of-consent/#comment-2224007 Tue, 20 Jun 2017 20:13:48 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/?p=69557#comment-2224007 not trying to be disrespectful but I believe so. of course the woman has the choice to setup video cameras everywhere in her house as a measure to capture proof in the event that an attack has taken place by someone she invited in. given that deciding whether there was a consent will always be a battle of deciding whose story is more believable in a he says/she says situation the only way a woman can proactively protect herself is to be vigilante of everyone she met.

When you choose to be alone with an individual its very hard to prove that there was no consent when consensus in society is that choosing to be alone with someone is considered to be an act of giving consent, and for the majority of time that is true. why else would you invite a guy into your room if intimacy was never the intent? you can’t just change your mind and claim rape in the middle of the act, can you get a refund in a restaurant after the streak is already half-eaten.

]]> By: neo-neocon https://thenewneo.com/2017/06/19/the-cosby-trial-and-the-issue-of-consent/#comment-2223964 Tue, 20 Jun 2017 17:28:16 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/?p=69557#comment-2223964 Dave:

Do you also think that, once you voluntarily let someone into your house, you forfeit your right to accuse that person of theft if he/she steals something?

Your suggestion would give a person a free pass to rape someone as long as he (or she, I suppose) manages to get the victim into a room alone.

Each person is responsible for his/her behavior. Being in a room with someone is not consent to rape any more than it is consent to assault, to rob, or to any other crime. After all, the accused can always say the item taken was a gift.

The fact that the issue of consent in rape is hard to prove does not make it impossible to prove.

]]> By: Dave https://thenewneo.com/2017/06/19/the-cosby-trial-and-the-issue-of-consent/#comment-2223949 Tue, 20 Jun 2017 16:50:01 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/?p=69557#comment-2223949 Consent is an abstract concept, is it consensual sex in a situation where the girl wasn’t in mood but went along anyway due to persistent persuasion from the guy? making legal decisions based on undefinable human emotions will always turn disastrous. Call me a misogynist but rape should be reserved to attacks where a girl get ambushed sexually by someone in a setting not her choosing. In my opinion the burden to prevent Date Rape should be on the woman, if you have zero interest in the guy don’t be alone with him in a room under any circumstances. Once you choose to be with this person alone in a confined environment willingly you forfeit any rights to claim rape, period. If a boss ask you to go into his room alone just refuse it.

]]> By: Ira https://thenewneo.com/2017/06/19/the-cosby-trial-and-the-issue-of-consent/#comment-2223935 Tue, 20 Jun 2017 15:50:12 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/?p=69557#comment-2223935 neo-neocon nailed the issue exactly. The question is whether or not the first person (i.e., the person ingesting the drug) did so consensually with the knowledge that sex with the second person would follow. I am not saying that the second person has unlimited license. Nevertheless, once the first person has ingested the drug and thus becomes voluntarily unable to revoke consent, the consent is there.

Some people use the name “coma sex” for this and the first person (again the person ingesting the drugs) sometimes is the person acquiring and bringing the drug to the “date.”

]]> By: artemptydgr https://thenewneo.com/2017/06/19/the-cosby-trial-and-the-issue-of-consent/#comment-2223909 Tue, 20 Jun 2017 14:01:44 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/?p=69557#comment-2223909 Read the daily news about the threesome that ended in murder
The men thought they were getting back at a rapist

Feminists dint like patriarchs but seem to want the same
That is… If she is intoxicated, she can’t give consent
But the others, love stoned sex
Read better sex through chemistry…

If you do not get into their contortions in trying to check and shut in judgements you went get it

One is their idea when never lie… But that is as truthful as work make less… Or there was no parity in college admissions mid 60s.. Or the seven sisters dint exist…

It’s a case of not understanding or really purposefully refusing to understand the difference between a court ideal (not the victims fault) ignoring that in reality victims do change their odds..

As the men’s movement made clear
They want the freedom to do what they want
But without the responsibility for what happens from their choices

Who wouldn’t buy into that lie if
Girls just want to have fun

Just think.. Chaperones and all that courtship and other etiquette was all about protecting women from men, AND men from women, and family name and reputation… Cause breeders know what feminists pretend doesn’t matter… That when ladies pick mates, their early fun short term choices become their families genetic future!!!
Have fun with sociopathic party hard drug addicts with no future… Dint expect your offspring to end up too far from the tree…

Bad advice
Cheapest than nuclear weapons
Less destructive
And all thy need to do is target women who will dismantle their own society for a false promises of the bigger better deal…

]]> By: Naut Right https://thenewneo.com/2017/06/19/the-cosby-trial-and-the-issue-of-consent/#comment-2223896 Tue, 20 Jun 2017 12:44:37 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/?p=69557#comment-2223896 Victim brain thought. “You mean a rich and famous guy didn’t invite me alone to his domain to discuss poetry and dance or try his new comdey material with me as the judge? But he said if I did he would cast me in his new show. I thought it was real.”
This level of dumb seems to have infected around 50 women. There outta be a pill for that.

]]> By: SDN https://thenewneo.com/2017/06/19/the-cosby-trial-and-the-issue-of-consent/#comment-2223864 Tue, 20 Jun 2017 10:01:52 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/?p=69557#comment-2223864 There are any number of people who do use intoxicants as a consensual prelude and enhancer to consensual sex. I’d be far more willing to believe these women had they gone to the cops within 24 hours of the encounter.

]]> By: neo-neocon https://thenewneo.com/2017/06/19/the-cosby-trial-and-the-issue-of-consent/#comment-2223803 Tue, 20 Jun 2017 05:32:44 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/?p=69557#comment-2223803 jon:

Did you actually read the post? It’s a criticism of an article by a Harvard law professor. Her article functions as a jumping-off place for a discussion about something.

And by the way, Harvard law professors are a various bunch. Some of them are quite brilliant.

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