Point I made was pre-existing conditions may well be covered, but that may not translate into being affordably so.

Again, if we are not driving to a close to free market solution, then we are probably considering the politics of it.

Presumably, many (most?) of trump supporters don’t mind big government intervention (see prior discussion elsewhere on Medicare), especially those dem regulars who swung to trump in the mid-west.

Considering their demographic, it seems likely they have the most concern on the question of pre-existing conditions and affordability.

Came across this report that does a nice job of laying it out in a relatively understandable format for most folks…
http://kff.org/health-reform/issue-brief/how-affordable-care-act-repeal-and-replace-plans-might-shift-health-insurance-tax-credits/

Now, I don’t claim to know that these are accurate numbers, but haven’t seen others (don’t have the time to thoroughly research this), at least, none that have “better” credibility.

Check out table 2 and figures 1-4.

The demographic, those in lower income brackets, especially those 60+ (and probably 50+ have similar effect, but they don’t break this out), may well be p*ssed if the numbers have any accuracy.

It is written in the scriptures and by the hand of the prophets that humanity was disowned from the line of Adam and from Jehovah. It’s not a new concept. And no, everyone will not be saved. Some angels are still locked up for transgressions.

Reducing premiums with realistic deductibles has to be a priority, but creating some sort of affordable, subsidized pool for those with pre-existing conditions would also be my goal. Hopefully the GOP will end up with a solution that balances those two competing interests.

Technically, ACA did affect employees with traditional employer-subsidized insurance. Since the advent of Obamacare, my deductibles have gone up, networks shrunk and percent coverage – if you ever do meet the deductible, which most people won’t, in most years – is down significantly from the “bad” old days.

My fancy insurance, subsidized in the four or even five digits by my employer, is so useless that I tried urgent care the last occasion that I need medical attention to see if it might be cheaper than the doctor’s office visit that I would be 100% out-of-pocket for anyway. While my insurance is still useful for dental, vision and prescriptions, I haven’t had one penny of medical services covered by insurance since the whole Obamacare disaster started.

They don’t care. As long as you have some blood left and an exposed neck … all is well in their world

“Brian E Says:
May 9th, 2017 at 10:29 am

I think there are a couple of explanations. First, the ACA didn’t affect most Americans— those that have employee sponsored health insurance. Most of the rest gained coverage through Medicaid expansion. Only a small percentage of people purchasing on the exchanges, paying the un-subsidized rates have been devastated by the bill. I think that’s why the change in attitude toward Obamacare in the last 6 years.”

Sure, about 7 and a half million have been financially raped and thrown on the bonfire to fuel the comfort and warmth of some 10 million of others.

And, those millions of others, already feeling entitled and collective responsibility minded, just don’t care. They are taking from small businessmen and people who they don’t like anyway.

And that is their version of morality and social justice.

NYT:

“These increases really matter only for those who buy their own insurance. Most people are unaffected by the rate increases because they get their insurance through an employer or are covered through government programs like Medicare, Medicaid or the Department of Veterans Affairs.

Only a small fraction of Americans who have insurance buy individual policies. There are about 10 million people in the Obamacare markets and around an additional seven million who buy health plans outside the marketplace, according to Obama administration estimates. The published rate increases apply only to people who shop in the markets, but premiums are expected to go up sharply for the other plans as well.”

The problem of course is that too many people are not employees of large corporations. If everyone were in what was classically called a master-servant relationship either directing or doing what one was told, then there would be a place for everyone and everyone would be in his place: just like the peasant trash likes it. O-Bam-a ummm ummm.

“Yankee Says:
May 9th, 2017 at 8:49 am

Every few days, there is some news story about a Congressman having a public meeting, and then more often or not, getting heckled, or yelled at, or having demonstrators show up outside. It gets discouraging to see bad manners like that, and to see demands being made that can’t ever be satisfied (due to the nature of the world, but good luck trying to convince someone of that).”

If you follow the link to the Keith Olbermann rant, you will get a good taste of the illogic and emotionalism that underlies the screamers’ positions in general. It’s summed up as “You belong to me, because I need you to”

They have somehow convinced themselves that that because you exist and they exist, you are their property in the name of feelings and humanity.

Not only are you morally obligated to sacrifice to the cost of your own development or advancement [as most of us are happy to affirm] for the widow and the orphan, the elderly, the maimed war vet, the farmer injured in the field, and the disabled workman, all who are victims of external circumstances – but [as most do not affirm] for and to enable every snotty, manipulative, entitled asswipe who does in fact constitute active moral enemy to whom you are simply handing a bullet.

Imagine for a moment, saving Keith Olbermann’s life. You might as well just put a loaded gun to your own head and pull the trigger.

If anything in the world demonstrates the validity of the concept of moral hazard, and the limits of human solidarity, it’s a three minute encounter with that deranged son of a bitch.

He is the concrete, indubitable, shrieking instance that rebuts the soundness of the categorical proposition that “All men are [in fact] worthy of your concern.” And thus also the legally wrought social and political burdens that are designed to mandate such transfers of life energies and efforts.

If you do not believe that some people are not worth saving, just take a look at Keith Olbermann.

” M J R Says:
May 8th, 2017 at 6:27 pm

DNW, 5:33 pm – So, a liberal/leftie who actually accepts the notion of capital-H Hell. Not all that many of ’em, y’know . . .”

He believes because he dwells on its doorstep now. It’s called Gulag Keith Olbermann.

The problem is he wants to drag everyone else along him …

By the way, in reading up on Olbermann before diagnosing him with borderline personality disorder – which I am not professionally entitled to do LOL – I discovered that he was raised a Unitarian.

As near as I can figure out, Unitarianism [Congregationalism without God] is a religion for people who don’t believe in God, or in objective morality, but who like to get together in church-like buildings and preach mutual obligations anyway.

Or something like that.