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		By: Is global warming science or religion? &#124; Ð’Ð¾Ð¿Ñ€Ð¾ÑÑ‹ Ð¸ Ð¾Ñ‚Ð²ÐµÑ‚Ñ‹		</title>
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		By: Ymar Sakar		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ymar Sakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 May 2017 17:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The world will end in fire, that was the prediction. It&#039;s also not hard to see that life was fine tuned and that human civilization only had a window of about 100,000 years on this planet. It&#039;ll change dramatically and human civilization will go bye bye. One may take that as a reason for the lack of other civilizations that we can detect in the verse.

https://www.faraday.st-edmunds.cam.ac.uk/resources/Faraday%20Papers/Faraday%20Paper%2010%20Holder_EN.pdf

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvO3zJaNBjs]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The world will end in fire, that was the prediction. It&#8217;s also not hard to see that life was fine tuned and that human civilization only had a window of about 100,000 years on this planet. It&#8217;ll change dramatically and human civilization will go bye bye. One may take that as a reason for the lack of other civilizations that we can detect in the verse.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.faraday.st-edmunds.cam.ac.uk/resources/Faraday%20Papers/Faraday%20Paper%2010%20Holder_EN.pdf" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.faraday.st-edmunds.cam.ac.uk/resources/Faraday%20Papers/Faraday%20Paper%2010%20Holder_EN.pdf</a></p>
<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvO3zJaNBjs" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvO3zJaNBjs</a></p>
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		By: Big Maq		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 May 2017 14:32:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Count me as a skeptic, but denying the possibility whole cloth is also a mistake.

CO2 has been increasing (how much is man made is debatable, but seems likely to be a contributing factor - this point has a general consensus of scientists) and does contribute to &quot;global warming&quot;.  

But, many climate scientists don&#039;t stop there, and take it MUCH further.  

They claim a &quot;feedback loop&quot; is generated by this, causing water vapor (another greenhouse gas) to exponentially increase the effects of that increase in CO2.  This is the source of the &quot;hockey stick&quot; effect in the climate models.

It is this last point that there is NOT consensus on, and is a major assumption behind almost all the computer models that have been developed.  

It is also the aspect that their climate models have failed to accurately predict.
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Even if the models were 100% accurate, there is plenty of disagreement about how &quot;bad&quot; it would be.

There is plenty of focus on the potential downside effects, but not much on the potential upside, for example: More arable land to farm;  Potentially faster growth rates for plants;  Arctic becomes navigable year round.  A ton of possible upsides could be listed.

With all the focus and attention on the downside, many feel &quot;something must be done&quot; by governments.

Then we get the usual top down government edicts suggested.  The more draconian, the more these folks feel that disaster is averted.

Leftists latch onto this and parlay that fear into policies aimed at their favorite bogeymen, with the levers of political control and influence in their leaders&#039; hands, of course.
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Thus it becomes a &quot;religion&quot;, as the science gets generalized up as being &quot;settled&quot; (only one small aspect may be so, but other assumptions are very debatable), and vested interests are incentivized to leverage the fear it generates.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Count me as a skeptic, but denying the possibility whole cloth is also a mistake.</p>
<p>CO2 has been increasing (how much is man made is debatable, but seems likely to be a contributing factor &#8211; this point has a general consensus of scientists) and does contribute to &#8220;global warming&#8221;.  </p>
<p>But, many climate scientists don&#8217;t stop there, and take it MUCH further.  </p>
<p>They claim a &#8220;feedback loop&#8221; is generated by this, causing water vapor (another greenhouse gas) to exponentially increase the effects of that increase in CO2.  This is the source of the &#8220;hockey stick&#8221; effect in the climate models.</p>
<p>It is this last point that there is NOT consensus on, and is a major assumption behind almost all the computer models that have been developed.  </p>
<p>It is also the aspect that their climate models have failed to accurately predict.<br />
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<p>Even if the models were 100% accurate, there is plenty of disagreement about how &#8220;bad&#8221; it would be.</p>
<p>There is plenty of focus on the potential downside effects, but not much on the potential upside, for example: More arable land to farm;  Potentially faster growth rates for plants;  Arctic becomes navigable year round.  A ton of possible upsides could be listed.</p>
<p>With all the focus and attention on the downside, many feel &#8220;something must be done&#8221; by governments.</p>
<p>Then we get the usual top down government edicts suggested.  The more draconian, the more these folks feel that disaster is averted.</p>
<p>Leftists latch onto this and parlay that fear into policies aimed at their favorite bogeymen, with the levers of political control and influence in their leaders&#8217; hands, of course.<br />
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<p>Thus it becomes a &#8220;religion&#8221;, as the science gets generalized up as being &#8220;settled&#8221; (only one small aspect may be so, but other assumptions are very debatable), and vested interests are incentivized to leverage the fear it generates.</p>
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		By: Tuppenceworth		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tuppenceworth]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 May 2017 11:12:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[History shows us that at any time science was EVER settled, it is when Politicians, Kings, or Dictators got to the scientists and eliminated all questioning.

This whole thing is a sham, and an awesome means of committing an entire population, society, even planet - to one&#039;s will.  Once the fear of God or any Deity is eliminated in society, one can fill that power vacuum (just like any other power vacuum) with a new world ordered fear - loss of one&#039;s home or world.  This is all supported by the amount of media showing the connected world disasters in real time, rather than as after thoughts.  How long did it take to learn of a massive volcano eruption in 1814?  Weeks or months.  Today, live feed.  It is easy to persuade the masses when the tools of self destruction lie in the palms of their own hands.  It keeps getting easier.  This was an instant cult guaranteed for exponential growth through social media in conjunction with the education system and all other inputs of societal shaming.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>History shows us that at any time science was EVER settled, it is when Politicians, Kings, or Dictators got to the scientists and eliminated all questioning.</p>
<p>This whole thing is a sham, and an awesome means of committing an entire population, society, even planet &#8211; to one&#8217;s will.  Once the fear of God or any Deity is eliminated in society, one can fill that power vacuum (just like any other power vacuum) with a new world ordered fear &#8211; loss of one&#8217;s home or world.  This is all supported by the amount of media showing the connected world disasters in real time, rather than as after thoughts.  How long did it take to learn of a massive volcano eruption in 1814?  Weeks or months.  Today, live feed.  It is easy to persuade the masses when the tools of self destruction lie in the palms of their own hands.  It keeps getting easier.  This was an instant cult guaranteed for exponential growth through social media in conjunction with the education system and all other inputs of societal shaming.</p>
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		By: Cornhead		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cornhead]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 May 2017 05:07:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[John Hinderaker at Power Line puts it way better than me on the models problem, 

&quot;Global warming alarmism is based solely on models, not on observation. But we know the models are wrong. They predict far greater warming than has been observed over recent decades. A model that has been proved wrong is worthless. It can’t be resuscitated by after-the-fact selective, politically-motivated tweaking.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Hinderaker at Power Line puts it way better than me on the models problem, </p>
<p>&#8220;Global warming alarmism is based solely on models, not on observation. But we know the models are wrong. They predict far greater warming than has been observed over recent decades. A model that has been proved wrong is worthless. It can’t be resuscitated by after-the-fact selective, politically-motivated tweaking.&#8221;</p>
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		By: Rich Rostrom		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2017/04/29/agw-when-a-scientific-theory-becomes-a-religion/#comment-2202091</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rich Rostrom]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 May 2017 04:51:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Umm, not quite right. An apostate is a former believer who has repudiated the True Faith.

A heretic is one who professes a distorted version of the True Faith.

An infidel is one who was never a believer. 

Many religions get along better with infidels than heretics or apostates.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Umm, not quite right. An apostate is a former believer who has repudiated the True Faith.</p>
<p>A heretic is one who professes a distorted version of the True Faith.</p>
<p>An infidel is one who was never a believer. </p>
<p>Many religions get along better with infidels than heretics or apostates.</p>
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		By: GRA		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2017/04/29/agw-when-a-scientific-theory-becomes-a-religion/#comment-2201948</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[GRA]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 May 2017 21:14:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Griffin says, &quot;I would put some of these peoples’ fanaticism right in line with any of the most devout Christians or Muslims.&quot;

There&#039;s a difference between fanaticism and being devout, as well as differences between a devout Christian and a devout Muslim, as if a devout Christian and a devout Muslim (whatever you mean by devout) are equal. Unless, of course, I&#039;m reading into your comment incorrectly.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Griffin says, &#8220;I would put some of these peoples’ fanaticism right in line with any of the most devout Christians or Muslims.&#8221;</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a difference between fanaticism and being devout, as well as differences between a devout Christian and a devout Muslim, as if a devout Christian and a devout Muslim (whatever you mean by devout) are equal. Unless, of course, I&#8217;m reading into your comment incorrectly.</p>
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		By: Tatterdemalian		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2017/04/29/agw-when-a-scientific-theory-becomes-a-religion/#comment-2201935</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tatterdemalian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 May 2017 20:37:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;If atheism is a religion, then bald is a hair style.&quot;

- misquotation of Dawkins that turns out to be entirely accurate

Specifically, atheism is the &quot;STOP LIKING WHAT I DON&#039;T LIKE!&quot;  religion.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If atheism is a religion, then bald is a hair style.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8211; misquotation of Dawkins that turns out to be entirely accurate</p>
<p>Specifically, atheism is the &#8220;STOP LIKING WHAT I DON&#8217;T LIKE!&#8221;  religion.</p>
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		By: blert		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[blert]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 May 2017 07:12:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;or&quot; = &quot;for&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;or&#8221; = &#8220;for&#8221;</p>
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		By: blert		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[blert]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 May 2017 07:10:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[OregonJon Says:
April 30th, 2017 at 11:57 pm 

Don&#039;t be a dufus.

Carbon Dioxide is PLANT FERTILIZER.

This was established as FACT by NASA - - fifty-years ago.

EVERY algae to Diesel scheme uses crazy partial pressured or carbon dioxide.

If ANY of these terms is new to you....

Then back off.

You don&#039;t belong in the argument.

Leave it to the Freon &#039;butterfly.&#039;&quot;

My second Nobel was never awarded, either.

That&#039;s another story.

&lt;b&gt;{ The unification of organic and in-organic chemistry at the physical chemistry level. This is // was as big as the transistor. No Nobel prize. That&#039;s right, you don&#039;t know a thing about it.}&lt;/b&gt;

Both were, of me,... in the early 70&#039;s...  

All research points back to that nexus... to me.

Such unifications -- in physics -- defined hyper-genius ... century by century.

Chemists have their own heroes.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OregonJon Says:<br />
April 30th, 2017 at 11:57 pm </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t be a dufus.</p>
<p>Carbon Dioxide is PLANT FERTILIZER.</p>
<p>This was established as FACT by NASA &#8211; &#8211; fifty-years ago.</p>
<p>EVERY algae to Diesel scheme uses crazy partial pressured or carbon dioxide.</p>
<p>If ANY of these terms is new to you&#8230;.</p>
<p>Then back off.</p>
<p>You don&#8217;t belong in the argument.</p>
<p>Leave it to the Freon &#8216;butterfly.'&#8221;</p>
<p>My second Nobel was never awarded, either.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s another story.</p>
<p><b>{ The unification of organic and in-organic chemistry at the physical chemistry level. This is // was as big as the transistor. No Nobel prize. That&#8217;s right, you don&#8217;t know a thing about it.}</b></p>
<p>Both were, of me,&#8230; in the early 70&#8217;s&#8230;  </p>
<p>All research points back to that nexus&#8230; to me.</p>
<p>Such unifications &#8212; in physics &#8212; defined hyper-genius &#8230; century by century.</p>
<p>Chemists have their own heroes.</p>
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