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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2017/04/24/how-can-a-person-defend-against-sexual-harassment-charges/#comment-2199686</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo-neocon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Apr 2017 03:21:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[One hint about the ongoing blog glitch:

I&#039;ve discovered that if you force a cache refresh by pressing CTL + F5, you can usually make the blog display the comments and the posts properly.  Let me know if you see the most recent posts when you do that. 

All you computer experts or semi-experts out there, do you have any advice for fixing things, based on this new information?  I&#039;m still getting professionals to help, but they&#039;re taking longer than I&#039;d like.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One hint about the ongoing blog glitch:</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve discovered that if you force a cache refresh by pressing CTL + F5, you can usually make the blog display the comments and the posts properly.  Let me know if you see the most recent posts when you do that. </p>
<p>All you computer experts or semi-experts out there, do you have any advice for fixing things, based on this new information?  I&#8217;m still getting professionals to help, but they&#8217;re taking longer than I&#8217;d like.</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2017/04/24/how-can-a-person-defend-against-sexual-harassment-charges/#comment-2199562</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[huxley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Apr 2017 21:29:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[No, not Huxley:  Michael Adams, at 16:25 on the 25th.  Sorry, Huxley. Not my fault!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, not Huxley:  Michael Adams, at 16:25 on the 25th.  Sorry, Huxley. Not my fault!</p>
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		By: n.n		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[n.n]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Apr 2017 16:25:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Declaration of Transgenderism.  Either homosexual or crossover will do.  Bisexual will probably still get you condemned.  Heterosexual will guarantee a baby trial for leverage, money, or spite.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Declaration of Transgenderism.  Either homosexual or crossover will do.  Bisexual will probably still get you condemned.  Heterosexual will guarantee a baby trial for leverage, money, or spite.</p>
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		By: TommyJay		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TommyJay]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Apr 2017 01:25:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A point that was missed is that in many states it is illegal to record conversations without notifying everyone.  Even if one has the foresight or the behavior is repetitive, the maker of a secret recording can be prosecuted.  And I think it is criminal and not civil, like the harassment is.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A point that was missed is that in many states it is illegal to record conversations without notifying everyone.  Even if one has the foresight or the behavior is repetitive, the maker of a secret recording can be prosecuted.  And I think it is criminal and not civil, like the harassment is.</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2017/04/24/how-can-a-person-defend-against-sexual-harassment-charges/#comment-2198646</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[huxley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Apr 2017 20:35:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[As a man in nursing, I have been told,quite nonchalantly, that men are &quot;just  not as clean as women.&quot; I have been told that I &quot;just do not know my own strength&quot;. That is absurd, but I am sure that there are people who believe it. More recently, I worked a  home care case with another nurse, two twins, two nurses. I am far from svelte, but this woman was at least half-again my weight, and she was handsy. If I had complained, the first response would have been uproarious laughter. The patients lived about a mile from my son and his family, and rather than accept a ride  home from Babar&#039;s mother, I &#039;phoned him to pick me up. He knows, of course, that I have always been faithful to his mother, and had a good laugh when I said that, if were to begin looking for extracurricular activity, it would not be with someone so huge, have-to-tie-a-board-to-my-butt-to-keep-from-falling-in huge. At least we could laugh about it.  However, open rejection would have been very dangerous to me. Hell hath no fury and all that. Every time she touched me I jumped, as if startled, until she finally relented. The door ought to swing both ways, but it does not, not at all.

Oddly enough, the homosexuals I have known at work have been quite honorable. There have been one or two hints dropped, and, when they were not picked up,  nothing more was said. In other, non-work settings, the aggressive come-ons have been much more overt, persistent, and obnoxious, but never at work.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a man in nursing, I have been told,quite nonchalantly, that men are &#8220;just  not as clean as women.&#8221; I have been told that I &#8220;just do not know my own strength&#8221;. That is absurd, but I am sure that there are people who believe it. More recently, I worked a  home care case with another nurse, two twins, two nurses. I am far from svelte, but this woman was at least half-again my weight, and she was handsy. If I had complained, the first response would have been uproarious laughter. The patients lived about a mile from my son and his family, and rather than accept a ride  home from Babar&#8217;s mother, I &#8216;phoned him to pick me up. He knows, of course, that I have always been faithful to his mother, and had a good laugh when I said that, if were to begin looking for extracurricular activity, it would not be with someone so huge, have-to-tie-a-board-to-my-butt-to-keep-from-falling-in huge. At least we could laugh about it.  However, open rejection would have been very dangerous to me. Hell hath no fury and all that. Every time she touched me I jumped, as if startled, until she finally relented. The door ought to swing both ways, but it does not, not at all.</p>
<p>Oddly enough, the homosexuals I have known at work have been quite honorable. There have been one or two hints dropped, and, when they were not picked up,  nothing more was said. In other, non-work settings, the aggressive come-ons have been much more overt, persistent, and obnoxious, but never at work.</p>
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		By: Dave		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dave]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Apr 2017 19:56:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Lurch:
I have a better strategy, wear a turban, grow a bread and pretend to be a muslim, you would be at top of the social justice food chain that no one can accuse you of anything, or you can just cry racism to counter any charges.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lurch:<br />
I have a better strategy, wear a turban, grow a bread and pretend to be a muslim, you would be at top of the social justice food chain that no one can accuse you of anything, or you can just cry racism to counter any charges.</p>
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		By: Lurch		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lurch]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Apr 2017 16:52:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Best strategy is to convince all women in your work environment that you are a homosexual. You&#039;ll get a lot of worry-free female companionship, which is nice. Bonus is that maybe a gay guy will hit on you and you&#039;ll have your own harassment suit. Hello early retirement!!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Best strategy is to convince all women in your work environment that you are a homosexual. You&#8217;ll get a lot of worry-free female companionship, which is nice. Bonus is that maybe a gay guy will hit on you and you&#8217;ll have your own harassment suit. Hello early retirement!!</p>
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		By: Richf		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2017/04/24/how-can-a-person-defend-against-sexual-harassment-charges/#comment-2198454</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richf]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Apr 2017 15:23:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The whole definition is subjective, starting with &quot;unwelcome&quot;. If you tell a joke and I laugh, we&#039;re cool; if I don&#039;t laugh you&#039;ve got a problem.

Worse, in a case like this one, I don&#039;t even have to convince the powers that be of anything. I just have to make some sponsors think that I MIGHT be telling the truth, which leads to them withholding sponsorship of the show. 

No sponsors = no show, and no show  = you lose your job. There is literally NO standard of proof required.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The whole definition is subjective, starting with &#8220;unwelcome&#8221;. If you tell a joke and I laugh, we&#8217;re cool; if I don&#8217;t laugh you&#8217;ve got a problem.</p>
<p>Worse, in a case like this one, I don&#8217;t even have to convince the powers that be of anything. I just have to make some sponsors think that I MIGHT be telling the truth, which leads to them withholding sponsorship of the show. </p>
<p>No sponsors = no show, and no show  = you lose your job. There is literally NO standard of proof required.</p>
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		By: Cornflour		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cornflour]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Apr 2017 13:59:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[About twenty-five years ago, I worked with a woman who carried sexual harassment to the edge of mental illness.  I asked her to stop.  When she didn&#039;t, I started saving her notes and email, as well email from me that clearly stated my request to stop contacting me.

Her notes and email amounted to more than twenty documents; most were both obsessive and salacious.  I then showed the documents to my supervisor, who was aghast, but not sure what to do.  She made an appointment, for both of us, with someone in HR.  After the HR person read the notes and email, she was shocked.  She said that she was ready to talk to us about the kind of ordinary disagreements that are common among colleagues, but that the notes and emails were way beyond that.  They constituted not only obvious sexual harassment, but also mental illness.  Unfortunately, since my colleague seemed to be mentally ill, all that could be done was to advise her that she should seek treatment or counseling.  They couldn&#039;t force her to do so, and they definitely couldn&#039;t fire her.  I pointed out that I&#039;d be fired in two seconds if I&#039;d done anything even remotely like that.  The room got very quiet.

The lunatic was told to get some counseling.  Thankfully the sexual harassment stopped, but she continued to send me email that she obviously considered friendly.  Again, I asked her to stop.  She didn&#039;t.  I again went to HR.  They said that the recent email didn&#039;t constitute sexual harassment.

I didn&#039;t know what to do, so I talked to a few friends about it.  I was looking for advice, but didn&#039;t get anything helpful.  At least one of these friends must have told someone else, because I started getting email from people I&#039;d never even heard of.  Each of the senders was male.  Each of them had a story of being sexually harassed by a female.  In every case, the women evaded any consequences for their harassment.  In every case, the women accused of harassment made life difficult for the men who complained.  Sometimes men&#039;s careers were ruined.  I was repeatedly advised to get another job, before the situation blew up in my face.  I moved about a thousand miles away, but the lunatic found my address online, and sent me a few emails.  Thankfully, she then stopped.

I don&#039;t know what it&#039;s like in the corporate world, but this is what it&#039;s like in universities.  Feminism is sacred dogma.  Sexual harassment is both doctrine and tool.  Women are always believed.  Men are always guilty.  HR departments are dominated by women.

Needless to say, I think sexual harassment laws need to be reformed, if not repealed.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About twenty-five years ago, I worked with a woman who carried sexual harassment to the edge of mental illness.  I asked her to stop.  When she didn&#8217;t, I started saving her notes and email, as well email from me that clearly stated my request to stop contacting me.</p>
<p>Her notes and email amounted to more than twenty documents; most were both obsessive and salacious.  I then showed the documents to my supervisor, who was aghast, but not sure what to do.  She made an appointment, for both of us, with someone in HR.  After the HR person read the notes and email, she was shocked.  She said that she was ready to talk to us about the kind of ordinary disagreements that are common among colleagues, but that the notes and emails were way beyond that.  They constituted not only obvious sexual harassment, but also mental illness.  Unfortunately, since my colleague seemed to be mentally ill, all that could be done was to advise her that she should seek treatment or counseling.  They couldn&#8217;t force her to do so, and they definitely couldn&#8217;t fire her.  I pointed out that I&#8217;d be fired in two seconds if I&#8217;d done anything even remotely like that.  The room got very quiet.</p>
<p>The lunatic was told to get some counseling.  Thankfully the sexual harassment stopped, but she continued to send me email that she obviously considered friendly.  Again, I asked her to stop.  She didn&#8217;t.  I again went to HR.  They said that the recent email didn&#8217;t constitute sexual harassment.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t know what to do, so I talked to a few friends about it.  I was looking for advice, but didn&#8217;t get anything helpful.  At least one of these friends must have told someone else, because I started getting email from people I&#8217;d never even heard of.  Each of the senders was male.  Each of them had a story of being sexually harassed by a female.  In every case, the women evaded any consequences for their harassment.  In every case, the women accused of harassment made life difficult for the men who complained.  Sometimes men&#8217;s careers were ruined.  I was repeatedly advised to get another job, before the situation blew up in my face.  I moved about a thousand miles away, but the lunatic found my address online, and sent me a few emails.  Thankfully, she then stopped.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know what it&#8217;s like in the corporate world, but this is what it&#8217;s like in universities.  Feminism is sacred dogma.  Sexual harassment is both doctrine and tool.  Women are always believed.  Men are always guilty.  HR departments are dominated by women.</p>
<p>Needless to say, I think sexual harassment laws need to be reformed, if not repealed.</p>
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		By: Lurch		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lurch]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Apr 2017 12:14:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In any unavoidable one-on-one interactions with female coworkers, my suggestion is that men now wear body cams.]]></description>
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