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		By: huxley		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[What the heck. Here&#039;s a famous O&#039;Hara poem which is a tribute to the black jazz singer, Billie Holiday, who was known as &quot;Lady Day.&quot;

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The Day Lady Died

It is 12:20 in New York a Friday 
three days after Bastille day, yes 
it is 1959 and I go get a shoeshine 
because I will get off the 4:19 in Easthampton   
at 7:15 and then go straight to dinner 
and I don’t know the people who will feed me 

I walk up the muggy street beginning to sun   
and have a hamburger and a malted and buy 
an ugly NEW WORLD WRITING to see what the poets   
in Ghana are doing these days 
                                                        I go on to the bank 
and Miss Stillwagon (first name Linda I once heard)   
doesn’t even look up my balance for once in her life   
and in the GOLDEN GRIFFIN I get a little Verlaine   
for Patsy with drawings by Bonnard although I do   
think of Hesiod, trans. Richmond Lattimore or   
Brendan Behan’s new play or Le Balcon or Les Né¨gres 
of Genet, but I don’t, I stick with Verlaine 
after practically going to sleep with quandariness 

and for Mike I just stroll into the PARK LANE 
Liquor Store and ask for a bottle of Strega and   
then I go back where I came from to 6th Avenue   
and the tobacconist in the Ziegfeld Theatre and   
casually ask for a carton of Gauloises and a carton 
of Picayunes, and a NEW YORK POST with her face on it 

and I am sweating a lot by now and thinking of 
leaning on the john door in the 5 SPOT 
while she whispered a song along the keyboard 
to Mal Waldron and everyone and I stopped breathing

--Frank O&#039;Hara, 1959]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What the heck. Here&#8217;s a famous O&#8217;Hara poem which is a tribute to the black jazz singer, Billie Holiday, who was known as &#8220;Lady Day.&#8221;</p>
<p>=============================<br />
The Day Lady Died</p>
<p>It is 12:20 in New York a Friday<br />
three days after Bastille day, yes<br />
it is 1959 and I go get a shoeshine<br />
because I will get off the 4:19 in Easthampton<br />
at 7:15 and then go straight to dinner<br />
and I don’t know the people who will feed me </p>
<p>I walk up the muggy street beginning to sun<br />
and have a hamburger and a malted and buy<br />
an ugly NEW WORLD WRITING to see what the poets<br />
in Ghana are doing these days<br />
                                                        I go on to the bank<br />
and Miss Stillwagon (first name Linda I once heard)<br />
doesn’t even look up my balance for once in her life<br />
and in the GOLDEN GRIFFIN I get a little Verlaine<br />
for Patsy with drawings by Bonnard although I do<br />
think of Hesiod, trans. Richmond Lattimore or<br />
Brendan Behan’s new play or Le Balcon or Les Né¨gres<br />
of Genet, but I don’t, I stick with Verlaine<br />
after practically going to sleep with quandariness </p>
<p>and for Mike I just stroll into the PARK LANE<br />
Liquor Store and ask for a bottle of Strega and<br />
then I go back where I came from to 6th Avenue<br />
and the tobacconist in the Ziegfeld Theatre and<br />
casually ask for a carton of Gauloises and a carton<br />
of Picayunes, and a NEW YORK POST with her face on it </p>
<p>and I am sweating a lot by now and thinking of<br />
leaning on the john door in the 5 SPOT<br />
while she whispered a song along the keyboard<br />
to Mal Waldron and everyone and I stopped breathing</p>
<p>&#8211;Frank O&#8217;Hara, 1959</p>
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		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2017/04/03/victim-analogies-liberal-style/#comment-2192300</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Apr 2017 16:10:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;I have no idea how far the Ras Baraka acorn falls from the parental tree, or how many of these views of the father the son shares today. But my guess is that dad had a pretty big influence on him.&lt;/i&gt;

I heard of Ras Baraka a year or two ago and connected the dots to LeRoi Jones as neo did.

I am reminded of Ta-Nahesi Coates, the author of the bitter book-length diatribe against White America, &quot;Between the World and Me,&quot; which was written in the form of a letter to his son.

And Coates&#039;s father had been a Black Panther, who taught Ta-Nahesi much the same.

I don&#039;t know how blacks go beyond the victim narrative when so many are so eager to pass their victimology on to their children like a precious family heirloom.

It is to weep.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I have no idea how far the Ras Baraka acorn falls from the parental tree, or how many of these views of the father the son shares today. But my guess is that dad had a pretty big influence on him.</i></p>
<p>I heard of Ras Baraka a year or two ago and connected the dots to LeRoi Jones as neo did.</p>
<p>I am reminded of Ta-Nahesi Coates, the author of the bitter book-length diatribe against White America, &#8220;Between the World and Me,&#8221; which was written in the form of a letter to his son.</p>
<p>And Coates&#8217;s father had been a Black Panther, who taught Ta-Nahesi much the same.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know how blacks go beyond the victim narrative when so many are so eager to pass their victimology on to their children like a precious family heirloom.</p>
<p>It is to weep.</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Apr 2017 16:01:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Big Maq: Glad you enjoyed the O&#039;Hara piece! 

O&#039;Hara was an interesting fellow. In addition to being a poet, he was an associate curator at the Museum of Modern Art in the sixties and something of a beloved celebrity in the New York art and poetry scenes.

He died relatively young, 40, hit by a dune buggy on Fire Island.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Big Maq: Glad you enjoyed the O&#8217;Hara piece! </p>
<p>O&#8217;Hara was an interesting fellow. In addition to being a poet, he was an associate curator at the Museum of Modern Art in the sixties and something of a beloved celebrity in the New York art and poetry scenes.</p>
<p>He died relatively young, 40, hit by a dune buggy on Fire Island.</p>
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		By: Big Maq		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Apr 2017 13:33:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;&quot;Frank O’Hara, “Personism: A Manifesto&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

@huxley - thanks for the link 

&lt;em&gt;&quot;What can we expect from Personism? ... Everything, but we won’t get it. It is too new, too vital a movement to promise anything. &quot;&lt;/em&gt;

This part resonated this recent election.

Also, interesting timing of that Genius post - almost precisely one month before trump&#039;s announcement.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>&#8220;Frank O’Hara, “Personism: A Manifesto&#8221;</em></p>
<p>@huxley &#8211; thanks for the link </p>
<p><em>&#8220;What can we expect from Personism? &#8230; Everything, but we won’t get it. It is too new, too vital a movement to promise anything. &#8220;</em></p>
<p>This part resonated this recent election.</p>
<p>Also, interesting timing of that Genius post &#8211; almost precisely one month before trump&#8217;s announcement.</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Apr 2017 10:46:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;[Personism] was founded by me after lunch with LeRoi Jones on August 27, 1959, a day in which I was in love with someone (not Roi, by the way, a blond).&lt;/b&gt; I went back to work and wrote a poem for this person. While I was writing it I was realizing that if I wanted to I could use the telephone instead of writing the poem, and so Personism was born. It&#039;s a very exciting movement which will undoubtedly have lots of adherents. It puts the poem squarely between the poet and the person, Lucky Pierre style, and the poem is correspondingly gratified. The poem is at last between two persons instead of two pages. In all modesty, I confess that it may be the death of literature as we know it. While I have certain regrets, I am still glad I got there before Alain Robbe-Grillet did.

--Frank O&#039;Hara, &quot;Personism: A Manifesto&quot;
https://genius.com/Frank-ohara-personism-a-manifesto-annotated
&lt;/i&gt;

This excerpt from Frank O&#039;Hara&#039;s tongue-in-cheek manifesto was my introduction to LeRoi Jones back in my young poet days. I looked up LeRoi Jones in some anthologies and was disappointed to discover Jones was not nearly as wonderful a poet as O&#039;Hara.

Suffice it to say, the Beat and New York School poets treated LeRoi Jones well.

The manifesto is a hoot and worth reading in its entirety. It&#039;s only nine paragraphs long.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i><b>[Personism] was founded by me after lunch with LeRoi Jones on August 27, 1959, a day in which I was in love with someone (not Roi, by the way, a blond).</b> I went back to work and wrote a poem for this person. While I was writing it I was realizing that if I wanted to I could use the telephone instead of writing the poem, and so Personism was born. It&#8217;s a very exciting movement which will undoubtedly have lots of adherents. It puts the poem squarely between the poet and the person, Lucky Pierre style, and the poem is correspondingly gratified. The poem is at last between two persons instead of two pages. In all modesty, I confess that it may be the death of literature as we know it. While I have certain regrets, I am still glad I got there before Alain Robbe-Grillet did.</p>
<p>&#8211;Frank O&#8217;Hara, &#8220;Personism: A Manifesto&#8221;<br />
<a href="https://genius.com/Frank-ohara-personism-a-manifesto-annotated" rel="nofollow ugc">https://genius.com/Frank-ohara-personism-a-manifesto-annotated</a><br />
</i></p>
<p>This excerpt from Frank O&#8217;Hara&#8217;s tongue-in-cheek manifesto was my introduction to LeRoi Jones back in my young poet days. I looked up LeRoi Jones in some anthologies and was disappointed to discover Jones was not nearly as wonderful a poet as O&#8217;Hara.</p>
<p>Suffice it to say, the Beat and New York School poets treated LeRoi Jones well.</p>
<p>The manifesto is a hoot and worth reading in its entirety. It&#8217;s only nine paragraphs long.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Apr 2017 03:45:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Jones declaimed &lt;b&gt; “we want poems that kill,” &lt;/b&gt; which coincided with the rise of armed self-defense and slogans such as “Arm yourself or harm yourself” that promoted confrontation with the white power structure.&quot;
* * *
I would be interesting to trace a connection between this statement and the crying of the SJWs about &quot;hurtful words&quot; that &lt;em&gt; force &lt;/em&gt; them to run riot to keep from hearing someone say the things they don&#039;t want to hear.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Jones declaimed <b> “we want poems that kill,” </b> which coincided with the rise of armed self-defense and slogans such as “Arm yourself or harm yourself” that promoted confrontation with the white power structure.&#8221;<br />
* * *<br />
I would be interesting to trace a connection between this statement and the crying of the SJWs about &#8220;hurtful words&#8221; that <em> force </em> them to run riot to keep from hearing someone say the things they don&#8217;t want to hear.</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Apr 2017 03:42:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ray Says: 
April 3rd, 2017 at 4:36 pm
Marxism is all about victimization. All good leftists are against &lt;b&gt;war, poverty and injustice &lt;/b&gt;and believe these are problems the government can solve. The socialists (Marxists) claim they can create heaven on earth. You just need the right people in charge to create the socialist paradise.
* * *
&quot;We are the Folk Song Army.
Everyone of us cares.
We all hate poverty, war, and injustice,
Unlike the rest of you squares.&quot;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yygMhtNQJ9M]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ray Says:<br />
April 3rd, 2017 at 4:36 pm<br />
Marxism is all about victimization. All good leftists are against <b>war, poverty and injustice </b>and believe these are problems the government can solve. The socialists (Marxists) claim they can create heaven on earth. You just need the right people in charge to create the socialist paradise.<br />
* * *<br />
&#8220;We are the Folk Song Army.<br />
Everyone of us cares.<br />
We all hate poverty, war, and injustice,<br />
Unlike the rest of you squares.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yygMhtNQJ9M" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yygMhtNQJ9M</a></p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Apr 2017 22:19:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;&quot;I often think of that exchange about genocide when I hear these present-day analogies, and I think what’s operating here is the same thing that was operating with my friend.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

Hyperbolic victimology is all in vogue.

Sure the left uses it often (more?).

But does anyone remember the &quot;Flight 93 Election&quot; analogy from last summer?  

Here is a reminder...

&lt;em&gt;&quot;How have the last two decades worked out for you, personally? If you’re a member or fellow-traveler of the Davos class, chances are: pretty well. 
...
If you haven’t noticed, our side has been losing consistently since 1988.
...
Because the deck is stacked overwhelmingly against us.
...
The junta of course craves cheaper and more docile labor. It also seeks to legitimize, and deflect unwanted attention from, its wealth and power by pretending that its open borders stance is a form of noblesse oblige
...
Nearly all the gains of the last 20 years have accrued to the junta anyway.
...
The level of unity America enjoyed before the bipartisan junta took over can never be restored.
...
It would, at this point, be better for the nation to divide up more equitably a slightly smaller pie than to add one extra slice–only to ensure that it and eight of the other nine go first to the government and its rentiers, and the rest to the same four industries and 200 families.
...
&lt;b&gt;The election of 2016 is a test–in my view, the final test–of whether there is any virté¹ left&lt;/b&gt; in what used to be the core of the American nation.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;
http://www.claremont.org/crb/basicpage/the-flight-93-election/

So, yes, we can point to the left - it is a tactic that works - it riles up the base.
.

Yet, the tide seems to have turned and we must recognize it is not only the left playing this game.  

Many on the &quot;right&quot; have clearly adopted the very same playbook.  They look to rile up their base to be angry and feel a victim, or for a victim.

Problem is, it creates a challenge for us to navigate the truth...

&lt;em&gt;&quot;And above all: where to find anything even approximating the truth? It’s like panning for gold in a river that has little or no precious metal left, even of the gold dust variety.&quot;&lt;/em&gt; - Neo
http://neoneocon.com/2017/03/27/here-comes-your-19th-nervous-breakdown/

...when so much becomes a hyperbolized story and we &quot;otherize&quot; someone to blame.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>&#8220;I often think of that exchange about genocide when I hear these present-day analogies, and I think what’s operating here is the same thing that was operating with my friend.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>Hyperbolic victimology is all in vogue.</p>
<p>Sure the left uses it often (more?).</p>
<p>But does anyone remember the &#8220;Flight 93 Election&#8221; analogy from last summer?  </p>
<p>Here is a reminder&#8230;</p>
<p><em>&#8220;How have the last two decades worked out for you, personally? If you’re a member or fellow-traveler of the Davos class, chances are: pretty well.<br />
&#8230;<br />
If you haven’t noticed, our side has been losing consistently since 1988.<br />
&#8230;<br />
Because the deck is stacked overwhelmingly against us.<br />
&#8230;<br />
The junta of course craves cheaper and more docile labor. It also seeks to legitimize, and deflect unwanted attention from, its wealth and power by pretending that its open borders stance is a form of noblesse oblige<br />
&#8230;<br />
Nearly all the gains of the last 20 years have accrued to the junta anyway.<br />
&#8230;<br />
The level of unity America enjoyed before the bipartisan junta took over can never be restored.<br />
&#8230;<br />
It would, at this point, be better for the nation to divide up more equitably a slightly smaller pie than to add one extra slice–only to ensure that it and eight of the other nine go first to the government and its rentiers, and the rest to the same four industries and 200 families.<br />
&#8230;<br />
<b>The election of 2016 is a test–in my view, the final test–of whether there is any virté¹ left</b> in what used to be the core of the American nation.&#8221;</em><br />
<a href="http://www.claremont.org/crb/basicpage/the-flight-93-election/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.claremont.org/crb/basicpage/the-flight-93-election/</a></p>
<p>So, yes, we can point to the left &#8211; it is a tactic that works &#8211; it riles up the base.<br />
.</p>
<p>Yet, the tide seems to have turned and we must recognize it is not only the left playing this game.  </p>
<p>Many on the &#8220;right&#8221; have clearly adopted the very same playbook.  They look to rile up their base to be angry and feel a victim, or for a victim.</p>
<p>Problem is, it creates a challenge for us to navigate the truth&#8230;</p>
<p><em>&#8220;And above all: where to find anything even approximating the truth? It’s like panning for gold in a river that has little or no precious metal left, even of the gold dust variety.&#8221;</em> &#8211; Neo<br />
<a href="http://neoneocon.com/2017/03/27/here-comes-your-19th-nervous-breakdown/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://neoneocon.com/2017/03/27/here-comes-your-19th-nervous-breakdown/</a></p>
<p>&#8230;when so much becomes a hyperbolized story and we &#8220;otherize&#8221; someone to blame.</p>
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		By: Geoffrey Britain		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Apr 2017 21:09:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;&quot;All good leftists are against war, poverty and injustice&quot;&lt;/i&gt; Ray 

That&#039;s true of the idealistic &#039;Trotskyites&#039; who are always shocked when the Stalinists show up...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;All good leftists are against war, poverty and injustice&#8221;</i> Ray </p>
<p>That&#8217;s true of the idealistic &#8216;Trotskyites&#8217; who are always shocked when the Stalinists show up&#8230;</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Apr 2017 20:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Marxism is all about victimization. All good leftists are against war, poverty and injustice and believe these are problems the government can solve. The socialists (Marxists)  claim they can create heaven on earth. You just need the right people in charge to create the socialist paradise.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marxism is all about victimization. All good leftists are against war, poverty and injustice and believe these are problems the government can solve. The socialists (Marxists)  claim they can create heaven on earth. You just need the right people in charge to create the socialist paradise.</p>
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