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		By: Roy Lofquist		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[The constitutionality of a law or regulation is subject to the Standings Doctrine, the Scrutiny Doctrine and, as a major issue in the Gorsuch hearings, the Chevron Deference doctrine.

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/standing

http://blogs.findlaw.com/law_and_life/2014/01/challenging-laws-3-levels-of-scrutiny-explained.html

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/chevron_deference

All of these are ambiguous and the major driver of &quot;judge shopping&quot;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The constitutionality of a law or regulation is subject to the Standings Doctrine, the Scrutiny Doctrine and, as a major issue in the Gorsuch hearings, the Chevron Deference doctrine.</p>
<p><a href="http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/standing" rel="nofollow ugc">http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/standing</a></p>
<p><a href="http://blogs.findlaw.com/law_and_life/2014/01/challenging-laws-3-levels-of-scrutiny-explained.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://blogs.findlaw.com/law_and_life/2014/01/challenging-laws-3-levels-of-scrutiny-explained.html</a></p>
<p><a href="https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/chevron_deference" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/chevron_deference</a></p>
<p>All of these are ambiguous and the major driver of &#8220;judge shopping&#8221;.</p>
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		By: A_Nonny_Mouse		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Mar 2017 06:05:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[amr said:  (March 28th, 2017 at 7:38 pm)
&quot;...There are mayors who have publicly declared they are violating federal laws by sheltering and protecting illegal aliens. The rule of law is being destroyed by allowing them to ignore federal immigration laws{...}&quot;

Does the Executive Branch of FedGov have standing to bring charges against the executives of &quot;sanctuary cities&quot;?  Because it seems to me that charges of  aiding and abetting criminal behavior, and acting as accessories after-the-fact (for knowingly providing illegals with drivers licenses, for example) should be a slam-dunk to prove.  Also, if it can be shown they are inviting/ encouraging non-citizens to come here illegally, we could add charges of collusion &#038;/or conspiracy - how about the RICO statutes?  If these virtue-signaling mayors knew they were facing time in a Federal prison, not to mention being disqualified from ever running for public office again, perhaps they could be persuaded to at least pretend some respect for Rule-of-Law again.  

(The many examples of the Left&#039;s absolute disregard for our laws and for our long-established Constitutional processes leave me horrified and truly afraid for our nation&#039;s future.  How can we even *BE* &quot;a nation&quot; when half of our people don&#039;t agree what the rules are?)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>amr said:  (March 28th, 2017 at 7:38 pm)<br />
&#8220;&#8230;There are mayors who have publicly declared they are violating federal laws by sheltering and protecting illegal aliens. The rule of law is being destroyed by allowing them to ignore federal immigration laws{&#8230;}&#8221;</p>
<p>Does the Executive Branch of FedGov have standing to bring charges against the executives of &#8220;sanctuary cities&#8221;?  Because it seems to me that charges of  aiding and abetting criminal behavior, and acting as accessories after-the-fact (for knowingly providing illegals with drivers licenses, for example) should be a slam-dunk to prove.  Also, if it can be shown they are inviting/ encouraging non-citizens to come here illegally, we could add charges of collusion &amp;/or conspiracy &#8211; how about the RICO statutes?  If these virtue-signaling mayors knew they were facing time in a Federal prison, not to mention being disqualified from ever running for public office again, perhaps they could be persuaded to at least pretend some respect for Rule-of-Law again.  </p>
<p>(The many examples of the Left&#8217;s absolute disregard for our laws and for our long-established Constitutional processes leave me horrified and truly afraid for our nation&#8217;s future.  How can we even *BE* &#8220;a nation&#8221; when half of our people don&#8217;t agree what the rules are?)</p>
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		By: Geoffrey Britain		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Geoffrey Britain]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Mar 2017 04:44:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[junior,

That wing of the GOP to which you refer is beholden to its large donors who have publicly made clear their support for amnesty and open borders. 

NYT, July 30, 2013,

&lt;i&gt;&quot;More than 100 Republican donors - many of them prominent names in their party&#039;s establishment - sent a letter to Republican members of Congress on Tuesday urging them to support an overhaul of the nation&#039;s immigration laws. 

The letter, which calls for &quot;legal status&quot; for the 11 million immigrants here illegally...&quot;&lt;/i&gt;
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/31/us/politics/big-name-gop-donors-urge-members-of-congress-to-back-immigration-overhaul.html]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>junior,</p>
<p>That wing of the GOP to which you refer is beholden to its large donors who have publicly made clear their support for amnesty and open borders. </p>
<p>NYT, July 30, 2013,</p>
<p><i>&#8220;More than 100 Republican donors &#8211; many of them prominent names in their party&#8217;s establishment &#8211; sent a letter to Republican members of Congress on Tuesday urging them to support an overhaul of the nation&#8217;s immigration laws. </p>
<p>The letter, which calls for &#8220;legal status&#8221; for the 11 million immigrants here illegally&#8230;&#8221;</i><br />
<a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/31/us/politics/big-name-gop-donors-urge-members-of-congress-to-back-immigration-overhaul.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/31/us/politics/big-name-gop-donors-urge-members-of-congress-to-back-immigration-overhaul.html</a></p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Mar 2017 02:09:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[American Greatness has two posts up on Sanctuary Cities that need to be read in tandem.

https://amgreatness.com/2017/03/27/immigration-still-operative-term/
&quot;We’ve been asked by Democrats and some Republicans to live with massive waves of immigration. But at some point immigration doesn’t begin to describe what’s happening, both with illegal and legal immigration.

Let’s call it what it is. A variation of colonization that I call neo-colonization.&quot;

https://amgreatness.com/2017/03/28/rape-bureaucracys-bedroom/

&quot;In one of the wealthiest, most highly-educated counties in America, two illegal immigrants raped a 14 year-old girl during school hours. The crime occurred March 16 at Rockville High School, a few blocks from where I live in Montgomery County, Maryland.

The nationally reported crime cries out to have its true national significance exposed, in the supine mentality the locals have displayed. ...Unfortunately for the sanctimonious, the Rockville horror took place just as sanctuary state legislation passed the overwhelmingly Democratic Assembly. The anti-Trump Republican Governor Larry Hogan vowed to veto the bill. Some plucky Chinese immigrants have had enough and lobbied against sanctuary status, pitting them against the Chinese-American establishment...&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>American Greatness has two posts up on Sanctuary Cities that need to be read in tandem.</p>
<p><a href="https://amgreatness.com/2017/03/27/immigration-still-operative-term/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://amgreatness.com/2017/03/27/immigration-still-operative-term/</a><br />
&#8220;We’ve been asked by Democrats and some Republicans to live with massive waves of immigration. But at some point immigration doesn’t begin to describe what’s happening, both with illegal and legal immigration.</p>
<p>Let’s call it what it is. A variation of colonization that I call neo-colonization.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="https://amgreatness.com/2017/03/28/rape-bureaucracys-bedroom/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://amgreatness.com/2017/03/28/rape-bureaucracys-bedroom/</a></p>
<p>&#8220;In one of the wealthiest, most highly-educated counties in America, two illegal immigrants raped a 14 year-old girl during school hours. The crime occurred March 16 at Rockville High School, a few blocks from where I live in Montgomery County, Maryland.</p>
<p>The nationally reported crime cries out to have its true national significance exposed, in the supine mentality the locals have displayed. &#8230;Unfortunately for the sanctimonious, the Rockville horror took place just as sanctuary state legislation passed the overwhelmingly Democratic Assembly. The anti-Trump Republican Governor Larry Hogan vowed to veto the bill. Some plucky Chinese immigrants have had enough and lobbied against sanctuary status, pitting them against the Chinese-American establishment&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		By: junior		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Mar 2017 01:55:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This whole thing reminds me of the ROTC several years ago.  Universities were banning the ROTC organizations from their campuses.  This was finally dealt with when Congress passed a law forcing universities to choose between their federal funding, and their ROTC bans.

On the face of it, a Congressional bill forcing Sanctuary Cities to make a similar choice would be a no-brainer.  But quite a few of the Republicans in Congress seem to want to slip amnesty in whenever they think they can get away with it.  When Boehner was Speaker, he pushed an amnesty bill, got yelled at by the public, and then pushed another one two years later.  There&#039;s a wing of the Republican party that appears to like having large numbers of unskilled immigrants in the country, and they might fight tooth and nail to keep Congress from doing anything about Sanctuary cities.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This whole thing reminds me of the ROTC several years ago.  Universities were banning the ROTC organizations from their campuses.  This was finally dealt with when Congress passed a law forcing universities to choose between their federal funding, and their ROTC bans.</p>
<p>On the face of it, a Congressional bill forcing Sanctuary Cities to make a similar choice would be a no-brainer.  But quite a few of the Republicans in Congress seem to want to slip amnesty in whenever they think they can get away with it.  When Boehner was Speaker, he pushed an amnesty bill, got yelled at by the public, and then pushed another one two years later.  There&#8217;s a wing of the Republican party that appears to like having large numbers of unskilled immigrants in the country, and they might fight tooth and nail to keep Congress from doing anything about Sanctuary cities.</p>
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		By: TommyJay		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Mar 2017 01:05:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Neo is sooo good.  Yes, illegal immigrants are becoming a privileged class.

My county has provided a substantial (but not unlimited) amount of free healthcare for maybe a couple decades.  It has occurred to me that all have to do is walk into the right clinic, tell them that my name is Jose Gonzales, and &quot;no habla ingles,&quot; and I could get free healthcare too.  Of course, I would need to speak fluent Spanish also, which I don&#039;t.

But it makes perfect sense.  How can you put a value on a new voter that is automatically dependent on the welfare state?

I have been through a great many jury selection processes and until recently, the selection was taken entirely from the list of registered voter.  During the voir dire about 25% of the prospective jurors say &quot;no habla ingles&quot; and are immediately dismissed.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neo is sooo good.  Yes, illegal immigrants are becoming a privileged class.</p>
<p>My county has provided a substantial (but not unlimited) amount of free healthcare for maybe a couple decades.  It has occurred to me that all have to do is walk into the right clinic, tell them that my name is Jose Gonzales, and &#8220;no habla ingles,&#8221; and I could get free healthcare too.  Of course, I would need to speak fluent Spanish also, which I don&#8217;t.</p>
<p>But it makes perfect sense.  How can you put a value on a new voter that is automatically dependent on the welfare state?</p>
<p>I have been through a great many jury selection processes and until recently, the selection was taken entirely from the list of registered voter.  During the voir dire about 25% of the prospective jurors say &#8220;no habla ingles&#8221; and are immediately dismissed.</p>
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		By: Geoffrey Britain		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Mar 2017 00:55:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[parker has the right of it, there must be &lt;i&gt;personal&lt;/i&gt; consequence. 

As for turning them into martyrs... only among those supportive of open borders. 

amr, 

Some animals are more equal than others. Defined by whether the lawlessness supports the narrative or not. Thus any action that supports the narrative is above the law.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>parker has the right of it, there must be <i>personal</i> consequence. </p>
<p>As for turning them into martyrs&#8230; only among those supportive of open borders. </p>
<p>amr, </p>
<p>Some animals are more equal than others. Defined by whether the lawlessness supports the narrative or not. Thus any action that supports the narrative is above the law.</p>
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		By: Oldflyer		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Mar 2017 23:56:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Maybe Trump is sensitive to the scurrilous charges hurled at him; e.g., Fascist, Hitler; so that he is reluctant to defy the courts.  But, I really do not understand why he is letting Circuit Courts  jerk him around on issues where he clearly has the authority to act.  I think that on immigration and visa policy, for instance, he should proceed with business; and let the lower courts take it up the line if they wish--rather than the other way round.  Now, if the Supreme Court ruled against him, it would really create a conundrum.

I agree with the comments that going after officials who defy federal law should be a cleaner option than withholding funds, but, doubt that  it would not be because the courts would free them post-haste.  Then they would be seen as martyrs by their constituents.  Still it would be therapeutic  to  see the Mayor and other officials in SF doing a perp walk,  So the option should be exercised just for the visual appeal; along with funding cuts as the best option in the long run.

I can&#039;t blame it specifically on the Sanctuary movement, but there is an observable lack of respect for laws of all kinds.  We see it all around us, from running red lights and stop signs, to blatant littering.  And, of course, mob action disguised as protests. Society is eroding, and coddling illegality in one form contributes to it in others.l]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe Trump is sensitive to the scurrilous charges hurled at him; e.g., Fascist, Hitler; so that he is reluctant to defy the courts.  But, I really do not understand why he is letting Circuit Courts  jerk him around on issues where he clearly has the authority to act.  I think that on immigration and visa policy, for instance, he should proceed with business; and let the lower courts take it up the line if they wish&#8211;rather than the other way round.  Now, if the Supreme Court ruled against him, it would really create a conundrum.</p>
<p>I agree with the comments that going after officials who defy federal law should be a cleaner option than withholding funds, but, doubt that  it would not be because the courts would free them post-haste.  Then they would be seen as martyrs by their constituents.  Still it would be therapeutic  to  see the Mayor and other officials in SF doing a perp walk,  So the option should be exercised just for the visual appeal; along with funding cuts as the best option in the long run.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t blame it specifically on the Sanctuary movement, but there is an observable lack of respect for laws of all kinds.  We see it all around us, from running red lights and stop signs, to blatant littering.  And, of course, mob action disguised as protests. Society is eroding, and coddling illegality in one form contributes to it in others.l</p>
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		By: amr		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Well, it wasn&#039;t unconstitutional to withhold highway funds from Wyoming when they refused to adopt the 55 mph speed limit, so said the SCOTUS.
This veteran doesn&#039;t believe that the cutting off of funds to sanctuary cities is the first action to take anyway.  There are mayors who have publicly declared they are violating federal laws by sheltering and protecting illegal aliens.  The rule of law is being destroyed by allowing them to ignore federal immigration laws.
The withholding of funds would be from law enforcement which could do harm to citizens and does not resolve the actual problem with these mayors&#039; actions who apparently believe they can do what they do because of the 10th Amendment.  I thought we settled the supremacy of laws with the horrific Civil War which cost 650,000 American lives out of 30 million citizens at the time.  
How can our leadership expect regular citizens like me to respect and obey the rule of law when such actions go unpunished.  These mayors believe they are above the law!  But I am not?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, it wasn&#8217;t unconstitutional to withhold highway funds from Wyoming when they refused to adopt the 55 mph speed limit, so said the SCOTUS.<br />
This veteran doesn&#8217;t believe that the cutting off of funds to sanctuary cities is the first action to take anyway.  There are mayors who have publicly declared they are violating federal laws by sheltering and protecting illegal aliens.  The rule of law is being destroyed by allowing them to ignore federal immigration laws.<br />
The withholding of funds would be from law enforcement which could do harm to citizens and does not resolve the actual problem with these mayors&#8217; actions who apparently believe they can do what they do because of the 10th Amendment.  I thought we settled the supremacy of laws with the horrific Civil War which cost 650,000 American lives out of 30 million citizens at the time.<br />
How can our leadership expect regular citizens like me to respect and obey the rule of law when such actions go unpunished.  These mayors believe they are above the law!  But I am not?</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[One of the crimes which make illegal aliens more than a nuisance is identity theft, non-violent, to be sure, but, when they use someone&#039;s Social Security number  to work, the true holder of that number has an increased income, and therefore is in a higher income bracket, and ends up owing tax in April.  It happens thousands of times every year. People in e.g. Kansas, owe income tax for a job in Florida, and it would have been exceedingly difficult to work in both places, although IRS does not have computers that can sort all that out automatically. It can be a very expensive lesson in the importance of the government abiding by the law.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the crimes which make illegal aliens more than a nuisance is identity theft, non-violent, to be sure, but, when they use someone&#8217;s Social Security number  to work, the true holder of that number has an increased income, and therefore is in a higher income bracket, and ends up owing tax in April.  It happens thousands of times every year. People in e.g. Kansas, owe income tax for a job in Florida, and it would have been exceedingly difficult to work in both places, although IRS does not have computers that can sort all that out automatically. It can be a very expensive lesson in the importance of the government abiding by the law.</p>
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