Comments on: Obamacare and GOPcare: getting reconciled with the process of reconciliation https://thenewneo.com/2017/03/08/obamacare-and-gopcare-getting-reconciled-with-the-process-of-reconciliation/ A blog about political change, among other things Tue, 14 Mar 2017 13:25:00 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=7.0.2 By: Yackums https://thenewneo.com/2017/03/08/obamacare-and-gopcare-getting-reconciled-with-the-process-of-reconciliation/#comment-2184909 Tue, 14 Mar 2017 13:25:00 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/?p=67201#comment-2184909 “Perhaps the insurance model of our healthcare system is fundamentally flawed. For auto insurance, […] Health insurance is a whole different story, everyone will get sick eventually. […] The core concept of insurance is a group of people paying a small amount of money into a pool in the case when an accident happens a person can take money from the pool as compensation. […]”

That’s amazing, David. You’ve just laid out in a nutshell the main driver of the conservative, free-market position on health care and health insurance for the past twenty years.

Maybe everyone will get sick eventually, though some never do. But many, many people may never get anything worse than the flu, or a broken bone. These are things that HEALTH INSURANCE is NOT meant to cover. These are things the treatment of which is relatively trivial and inexpensive. These are things that nearly everyone could afford to pay cash for, or would be able to afford in a competitive free market.

Just like with auto insurance, health insurance is meant to cover the catastrophic expenses. Complex surgeries, long hospital stays, dialysis, chemotherapy. When policies are only paying for these types of things, and not for regular doctor visits and birth control pills, that’s a lot of money freed up for the insurance business model to properly function.

And let’s be absolutely clear about one thing. From my experience with this debate in a different country where the same argument takes place, I can tell you there is NO FRICKIN’ WAY that the Progressive Left will abide a situation in which there is a basic level of coverage for all, but “the rich” can purchase upgraded levels of health care services. You cannot imagine the howling. Oh, the inequality!!!

]]> By: Ymarsakar https://thenewneo.com/2017/03/08/obamacare-and-gopcare-getting-reconciled-with-the-process-of-reconciliation/#comment-2184042 Sat, 11 Mar 2017 23:33:46 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/?p=67201#comment-2184042 The Democrats have killed more people than Jihadists have, with that Hussein care plan. And Americans are complicit in this atrocity, in more than one way.

]]> By: David https://thenewneo.com/2017/03/08/obamacare-and-gopcare-getting-reconciled-with-the-process-of-reconciliation/#comment-2183550 Fri, 10 Mar 2017 17:52:51 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/?p=67201#comment-2183550 also, for those who complains about medicare, have you ever thought about how health insurance companies can ever remain profitable if the government doesn’t take people over 65 off their hands when that is the stage in life people use healthcare the most? medicare contrary to your belief is a subsidence to the insurance industry from the government, if there is no medicare, either every health insurance bankrupts or they have to charge each elderly a ridiculously high premium that will eventually eat up everyone’s retirement fund.

]]> By: David https://thenewneo.com/2017/03/08/obamacare-and-gopcare-getting-reconciled-with-the-process-of-reconciliation/#comment-2183547 Fri, 10 Mar 2017 17:43:46 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/?p=67201#comment-2183547 health insurance is a thing only America has and its a complete failure. the core concept of insurance is a group of people paying a small amount of money into a pool in the case when an accident happens a person can take money from the pool as compensation. To make it works the occurrence of the accident must be relatively rare or else if the occurrence is so frequent that everyone will make a claim the pool of money will not be enough to cover and it will eventually bankrupt. Health insurance does not work especially in America because the cost of healthcare for every person will eventually outweigh the money a person will ever pay into the system given that the cost of healthcare here is so ridiculously expensive and lack any oversight due to this little thing called free market that conservatives blindly worship. Americans are so generally unhealthy that everyone will develop type ii diabetes if live long enough, everyone will develop cancer if live long enough, everyone will have a heart failure when live long enough. yes, government lacks efficiency and a hotbed for corruptions if let grew too big, but there are few things the government can do better than the free market and it is health care one of it. If you let the free market takes care of everything some people with rare diseases will never get cure since the resources put into researching on it doesn’t justify the financial profitability from it.

]]> By: The Other Chuck https://thenewneo.com/2017/03/08/obamacare-and-gopcare-getting-reconciled-with-the-process-of-reconciliation/#comment-2183510 Fri, 10 Mar 2017 14:04:51 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/?p=67201#comment-2183510 David:
Perhaps the insurance model of our healthcare system is fundamentally flawed.

And perhaps you’re a big old socialist troll.

]]> By: David https://thenewneo.com/2017/03/08/obamacare-and-gopcare-getting-reconciled-with-the-process-of-reconciliation/#comment-2183257 Thu, 09 Mar 2017 21:11:28 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/?p=67201#comment-2183257 Perhaps the insurance model of our healthcare system is fundamentally flawed. For auto insurance, most of insured will never use their insurance since car accident is not a frequent occurrence, that allows the auto insurance industry to make great profit while offering a reasonably priced product.
Health insurance is a whole different story, everyone will get sick eventually, Health insurance companies can only remain profitable by not insuring high risk people with pre existing coditions or charge them a higher premium. a health insurance that requires to insure everyone without charging the riskier clients more is doomed to fail as a business model. We need to think outside of the box, if the insurance industry is he hurdle keeping us from successfully reforming healthcare, get rid of it, those working in it can move on to other fields, no need to keep everyone suffering just because we need to save the jobs of the people working in an obsoleted industry.

]]> By: neo-neocon https://thenewneo.com/2017/03/08/obamacare-and-gopcare-getting-reconciled-with-the-process-of-reconciliation/#comment-2183220 Thu, 09 Mar 2017 20:08:24 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/?p=67201#comment-2183220 Yancey Ward:

Please read this carefully. I think it deals with the issues you raise.

]]> By: Richard Saunders https://thenewneo.com/2017/03/08/obamacare-and-gopcare-getting-reconciled-with-the-process-of-reconciliation/#comment-2183212 Thu, 09 Mar 2017 19:53:13 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/?p=67201#comment-2183212 David — that’s pretty much what we have now. When you exclude all the people who were kicked off their plans and had to sign up for Obamacare (“If I like your plan, you can keep your plan.”) basically all that Obamacare did was let more people sign up for Medicaid. So If the intent was really to cover the uninsured, all you needed was a one-sentence bill — “Anyone who wants can sign up for Medicaid, and we will take (pick a number from 1 to 10) percent of your income to pay for it.”

Of course, the real purpose wasn’t just to cover the uninsured, the real purpose was to have the federal government take over the entire healthcare system, hence the 2,000-page bill.

]]> By: David https://thenewneo.com/2017/03/08/obamacare-and-gopcare-getting-reconciled-with-the-process-of-reconciliation/#comment-2183108 Thu, 09 Mar 2017 17:51:56 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/?p=67201#comment-2183108 If you compare healthcare to the auto industry, the problem with America’s healthcare system today is that only Mercedes Benzs are available but no Honda Civic or sentra for lower income of people to purchase . Conservatives’ concern about Healthcare is that if we have a socialize system of healthcare there will only be Civic and Sentra available and no Mercedes even if we can afford one. The perfect balance would be where you both have Mercedes for the rich and Civic for the poor.

]]> By: David https://thenewneo.com/2017/03/08/obamacare-and-gopcare-getting-reconciled-with-the-process-of-reconciliation/#comment-2183105 Thu, 09 Mar 2017 17:42:36 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/?p=67201#comment-2183105 Frog, universal healthcare is always about the lowest denominator safety net to protect those without the resources, not providing luxury highest class of service for everyone. For most healthy young people, the low quality safe net is good enough, better than dying at least. For many places like Hong Kong where I came from luxury private hospitals are still available those who can afford it. Conservatives have a misconception about universal healthcare that you can’t purchase high standard services even if you have money to spend, that socialist healthcare means everyone suffers together, which is I think what most of the hate for it come from. It is not very hard to find the right balance that a safety net can be established for everything while more luxurious options are still available.

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