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		By: n.n		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2017/02/23/politico-trolls-the-right-on-obamacare/#comment-2178487</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[n.n]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Feb 2017 07:07:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The left-wing press is infamous, especially when targeting Trump et al, for quotes that do not quote.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The left-wing press is infamous, especially when targeting Trump et al, for quotes that do not quote.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2017/02/23/politico-trolls-the-right-on-obamacare/#comment-2178369</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ymarsakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Feb 2017 01:04:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Alinsky&#039;s attacks work on humans. DC is full of humans to mess up. Congress ain&#039;t somebody&#039;s Pagan God Pantheon, just in case people need to be told to their face what the trees in the forest look like.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alinsky&#8217;s attacks work on humans. DC is full of humans to mess up. Congress ain&#8217;t somebody&#8217;s Pagan God Pantheon, just in case people need to be told to their face what the trees in the forest look like.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2017/02/23/politico-trolls-the-right-on-obamacare/#comment-2178366</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ymarsakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Feb 2017 01:03:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Global warming will be an issue when the politicians and scientists who talk about man made global warming, stop flying their jets around every few hours.

Hussein care and national healthcare, will no longer exist once their proponents are forced into their own programs. Queue up Congress and in 30 days, it will be gone.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Global warming will be an issue when the politicians and scientists who talk about man made global warming, stop flying their jets around every few hours.</p>
<p>Hussein care and national healthcare, will no longer exist once their proponents are forced into their own programs. Queue up Congress and in 30 days, it will be gone.</p>
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		By: Brian E		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2017/02/23/politico-trolls-the-right-on-obamacare/#comment-2178267</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brian E]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Feb 2017 19:46:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[According to this Weekly Standard article, ACA was sold with a 10-year cost of $983 billion cost. Current estimates are $1.98 trillion. I can think of another health insurance program the government started that missed it&#039;s projections by a factor of 10 - Medicaire.

This is not going to be an easy fix. Politico supposedly has a leaked copy of some of the plan. 

http://www.weeklystandard.com/the-five-worst-things-about-obamacare/article/2006940]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to this Weekly Standard article, ACA was sold with a 10-year cost of $983 billion cost. Current estimates are $1.98 trillion. I can think of another health insurance program the government started that missed it&#8217;s projections by a factor of 10 &#8211; Medicaire.</p>
<p>This is not going to be an easy fix. Politico supposedly has a leaked copy of some of the plan. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.weeklystandard.com/the-five-worst-things-about-obamacare/article/2006940" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.weeklystandard.com/the-five-worst-things-about-obamacare/article/2006940</a></p>
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		By: Kenneth		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2017/02/23/politico-trolls-the-right-on-obamacare/#comment-2178257</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Feb 2017 19:19:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I have long held that the O-Care beast will not be felled by politicians (top-down), rather it will die of it&#039;s own bad design and a public that will come to ignore and/or hate it.

There is a scene in 1997&#039;s &#039;As Good As It Gets&#039; where the mom shouts to a (house call!) doctor: &quot;Something-Rated-R HMO bastards!&quot; - and the audiences cheered. Uh, who championed HMO&#039;s in 1971? Ted Kennedy:
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Introducing the HMO hearings, Kennedy said, &quot;We need legislation which reorganizes the system to guarantee a sufficient volume of high quality medical care, distributed equitably across the country and available at reasonable cost to every American. It is going to take a drastic overhaul of our entire way of doing business in the health-care field in order to solve the financing and organizational aspects of our health crisis. One aspect of that solution is the creation of comprehensive systems of health-care delivery.&quot;
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Methinks this Bumble has been having its teeth pulled one at a time since it was prematurely hatched, and even if the R&#039;s can&#039;t fell it with slings and arrows, it will be good-for-nothing soon enough.

For anyone wanting to get an interesting perspective on what healthcare/health insurance (not the same things) might look like, read (Google) a 10-2009 article from The Atlantic by David Goldhill called &#039;How American Healthcare Killed My Father.&#039; It is long, but a well thought out and well written piece.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have long held that the O-Care beast will not be felled by politicians (top-down), rather it will die of it&#8217;s own bad design and a public that will come to ignore and/or hate it.</p>
<p>There is a scene in 1997&#8217;s &#8216;As Good As It Gets&#8217; where the mom shouts to a (house call!) doctor: &#8220;Something-Rated-R HMO bastards!&#8221; &#8211; and the audiences cheered. Uh, who championed HMO&#8217;s in 1971? Ted Kennedy:<br />
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Introducing the HMO hearings, Kennedy said, &#8220;We need legislation which reorganizes the system to guarantee a sufficient volume of high quality medical care, distributed equitably across the country and available at reasonable cost to every American. It is going to take a drastic overhaul of our entire way of doing business in the health-care field in order to solve the financing and organizational aspects of our health crisis. One aspect of that solution is the creation of comprehensive systems of health-care delivery.&#8221;<br />
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<p>Methinks this Bumble has been having its teeth pulled one at a time since it was prematurely hatched, and even if the R&#8217;s can&#8217;t fell it with slings and arrows, it will be good-for-nothing soon enough.</p>
<p>For anyone wanting to get an interesting perspective on what healthcare/health insurance (not the same things) might look like, read (Google) a 10-2009 article from The Atlantic by David Goldhill called &#8216;How American Healthcare Killed My Father.&#8217; It is long, but a well thought out and well written piece.</p>
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		By: Oldflyer		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Feb 2017 17:23:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[(seem to) Pesky parens]]></description>
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		By: Oldflyer		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2017/02/23/politico-trolls-the-right-on-obamacare/#comment-2178231</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Feb 2017 17:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Two predictions:
1.  The Republicans will do something without too much delay.  They have made a very public promise that they must (seem) to keep.
2.  Whatever they do will be attacked from both ends.

I don&#039;t know what the best, or even an improved solution would be.  I wouldn&#039;t have a personal stake since, as an aged, retired Naval Officer, the wonderful U.S. taxpayers pick up my medical expenses through two different programs.  However, I have a grand daughter who is four years removed from a Leukemia  diagnosis.  Since she is 25, she will have to leave her Mother&#039;s policy soon.  I can tell you that she and her Mother are scared to death about the pre-existing condition issue.  Don&#039;t know the answer to that one.  Maybe a requirement that an existing insurance policy be extended to young people who are outgrowing their parent&#039;s policies.  There will clearly be a number of sticky issues of this nature.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two predictions:<br />
1.  The Republicans will do something without too much delay.  They have made a very public promise that they must (seem) to keep.<br />
2.  Whatever they do will be attacked from both ends.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know what the best, or even an improved solution would be.  I wouldn&#8217;t have a personal stake since, as an aged, retired Naval Officer, the wonderful U.S. taxpayers pick up my medical expenses through two different programs.  However, I have a grand daughter who is four years removed from a Leukemia  diagnosis.  Since she is 25, she will have to leave her Mother&#8217;s policy soon.  I can tell you that she and her Mother are scared to death about the pre-existing condition issue.  Don&#8217;t know the answer to that one.  Maybe a requirement that an existing insurance policy be extended to young people who are outgrowing their parent&#8217;s policies.  There will clearly be a number of sticky issues of this nature.</p>
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		By: SR		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2017/02/23/politico-trolls-the-right-on-obamacare/#comment-2178053</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Feb 2017 03:06:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It is a bit comical to see thetownhall &quot;protests&quot; by obvious Medicare recipients who are relatively unaffected by O&#039;Care.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is a bit comical to see thetownhall &#8220;protests&#8221; by obvious Medicare recipients who are relatively unaffected by O&#8217;Care.</p>
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		By: Richard Saunders		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2017/02/23/politico-trolls-the-right-on-obamacare/#comment-2178026</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Saunders]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Feb 2017 00:25:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[When you take into account the millions who were forced off their insurance policies and into the &quot;exchanges,&quot; basically the only positive improvement made by Obamacare was opening up Medicaid to the non-impoverished poor.  That could have bee accomplished in a two-sentence bill.  All of the rest of the 2,000 pages of the act were devices designed to facilitate government control of health care.

I have yet to see a viable argument that it is within the federal government&#039;s constitutional power to tell me that this health insurance policy is too good, or that one isn&#039;t good enough.  Or that the taxpayers have to pay for the health care of smokers who get lung cancer, injured motorcycle riders who don&#039;t wear helmets, or AIDS patients who didn&#039;t use condemns -- thus giving the government the right to regulate all those activities.  (of course, I feel the same way about the gummint telling me what gas mileage my car has to get, or what light bulbs I can use.)

Some Congressional staffers are going through, line by line, the dozens of statutes that were affected by Obamacare, and decide whether to keep or delete each provision.  Whether you call that &quot;amendment&quot; or &quot;repeal and replace&quot; doesn&#039;t really matter -- what&#039;s necessary is getting rig of the intrusive parts.

BTW, donkatsu, do you have any idea how many services there are offered by doctors and hospitals?  Tens, maybe hundreds of thousands of DRGs (the ID # of each individual service).  That couldn&#039;t be on a poster, it would be a book, a flash drive, or a website.  There were 1,974 new DRGs for 2017 alone, 777 changed DRGs, and 311 deleted!  Do you really think Joe or Jane Patient is going to be able to understand them and compare prices?  Not!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When you take into account the millions who were forced off their insurance policies and into the &#8220;exchanges,&#8221; basically the only positive improvement made by Obamacare was opening up Medicaid to the non-impoverished poor.  That could have bee accomplished in a two-sentence bill.  All of the rest of the 2,000 pages of the act were devices designed to facilitate government control of health care.</p>
<p>I have yet to see a viable argument that it is within the federal government&#8217;s constitutional power to tell me that this health insurance policy is too good, or that one isn&#8217;t good enough.  Or that the taxpayers have to pay for the health care of smokers who get lung cancer, injured motorcycle riders who don&#8217;t wear helmets, or AIDS patients who didn&#8217;t use condemns &#8212; thus giving the government the right to regulate all those activities.  (of course, I feel the same way about the gummint telling me what gas mileage my car has to get, or what light bulbs I can use.)</p>
<p>Some Congressional staffers are going through, line by line, the dozens of statutes that were affected by Obamacare, and decide whether to keep or delete each provision.  Whether you call that &#8220;amendment&#8221; or &#8220;repeal and replace&#8221; doesn&#8217;t really matter &#8212; what&#8217;s necessary is getting rig of the intrusive parts.</p>
<p>BTW, donkatsu, do you have any idea how many services there are offered by doctors and hospitals?  Tens, maybe hundreds of thousands of DRGs (the ID # of each individual service).  That couldn&#8217;t be on a poster, it would be a book, a flash drive, or a website.  There were 1,974 new DRGs for 2017 alone, 777 changed DRGs, and 311 deleted!  Do you really think Joe or Jane Patient is going to be able to understand them and compare prices?  Not!</p>
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		By: parker		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[parker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Feb 2017 00:23:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[donkatsu,

&quot; move it toward  some degree of actuarial soundness.&quot;

That is hard part.  :-(]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>donkatsu,</p>
<p>&#8221; move it toward  some degree of actuarial soundness.&#8221;</p>
<p>That is hard part.  🙁</p>
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