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	Comments on: The courts rule on Trump&#8217;s intent and the &#8220;Muslim ban&#8221;	</title>
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		By: TommyJay		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2017/02/18/the-courts-rule-on-trumps-intent-and-the-muslim-ban/#comment-2177017</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TommyJay]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2017 05:09:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I believe I remember seeing Seattle judge Robart make the same claim; that he &quot;knew&quot; the intent of the EO because of the Giuliani interview.  So much for black letter law.  Maybe tea leaves and tarot cards would now be of help to our post-modern judges.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe I remember seeing Seattle judge Robart make the same claim; that he &#8220;knew&#8221; the intent of the EO because of the Giuliani interview.  So much for black letter law.  Maybe tea leaves and tarot cards would now be of help to our post-modern judges.</p>
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		By: Ray		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ray]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Feb 2017 18:39:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Some day the extra legal actions they are using against Trump will be used against them.

Remember when the democrats passed the special prosecutor law and used it against Nixon and then when the republicans used it against Clinton the democrats were screaming that was unfair.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some day the extra legal actions they are using against Trump will be used against them.</p>
<p>Remember when the democrats passed the special prosecutor law and used it against Nixon and then when the republicans used it against Clinton the democrats were screaming that was unfair.</p>
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		By: parker		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[parker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Feb 2017 03:50:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sometimes  one has to channel Celine. &quot;I piss on you all from a considerable height.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sometimes  one has to channel Celine. &#8220;I piss on you all from a considerable height.&#8221;</p>
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		By: F		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2017/02/18/the-courts-rule-on-trumps-intent-and-the-muslim-ban/#comment-2176330</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[F]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Feb 2017 02:18:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Neo:

Thank you for this analysis.  I am not sure I agree with your parsing of Giuliani&#039;s words, but they are certainly as relevant as the words the judge teased out from that interview, so the interview can legitimately be interpreted either way.

The more salient issue is whether or not the President has the right to make the determination he did, and whether or not he has to disclose all the information he had at hand when he made the decision.  I think on that score Trump has it right and the judge has it wrong.

But I wonder if it makes ay difference.  The original TRO was shopped to a judge who would find against Trump, so the fact that his finding and that of the three-judge panel rejected the substance of the EO was a foregone conclusion.  I fully expect the next EO to run up against the same dynamic.

I think the more important issue is the manner in which a very large block of resistance has metastasized.  I called them sore losers for a while, but the are much more.  They (and I suspect there is substantial Soros backing involved) are working round the clock to influence the American public toward several conclusions: that Trump is mentally unstable, that the White House is in chaos (what new administration does  NOT flounder?), that the Russians are and have been involved since the election, and that using all means at their disposal -- the courts, the women&#039;s march, the &#039;Black Bloc&#039; at Berkeley, the nation&#039;s largest media outlets -- as weapons against Trump is both legitimate and patriotic.   

We have entered a new phase in presidential politics, where the election does not end the contest.  I find this extremely troubling, and I would very much like to see some of the dissent crushed in the courts.  If not, this will only get worse.  Democrats have apparently not learned from Harry Reid&#039;s moves to change the filibuster rules in the Senate that what goes around comes around.  Some day the extra legal actions they are using against Trump will be used against them.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neo:</p>
<p>Thank you for this analysis.  I am not sure I agree with your parsing of Giuliani&#8217;s words, but they are certainly as relevant as the words the judge teased out from that interview, so the interview can legitimately be interpreted either way.</p>
<p>The more salient issue is whether or not the President has the right to make the determination he did, and whether or not he has to disclose all the information he had at hand when he made the decision.  I think on that score Trump has it right and the judge has it wrong.</p>
<p>But I wonder if it makes ay difference.  The original TRO was shopped to a judge who would find against Trump, so the fact that his finding and that of the three-judge panel rejected the substance of the EO was a foregone conclusion.  I fully expect the next EO to run up against the same dynamic.</p>
<p>I think the more important issue is the manner in which a very large block of resistance has metastasized.  I called them sore losers for a while, but the are much more.  They (and I suspect there is substantial Soros backing involved) are working round the clock to influence the American public toward several conclusions: that Trump is mentally unstable, that the White House is in chaos (what new administration does  NOT flounder?), that the Russians are and have been involved since the election, and that using all means at their disposal &#8212; the courts, the women&#8217;s march, the &#8216;Black Bloc&#8217; at Berkeley, the nation&#8217;s largest media outlets &#8212; as weapons against Trump is both legitimate and patriotic.   </p>
<p>We have entered a new phase in presidential politics, where the election does not end the contest.  I find this extremely troubling, and I would very much like to see some of the dissent crushed in the courts.  If not, this will only get worse.  Democrats have apparently not learned from Harry Reid&#8217;s moves to change the filibuster rules in the Senate that what goes around comes around.  Some day the extra legal actions they are using against Trump will be used against them.</p>
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		By: parker		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2017/02/18/the-courts-rule-on-trumps-intent-and-the-muslim-ban/#comment-2176327</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[parker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Feb 2017 02:11:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[OM,

The sheikh is dead, may all future sheikhs be born still born. I am a gentle man, but somethings bring out my inner hard ass berserker persona.

Now pour a bit more wine in celebration because today I fulfilled my on line course to be a dog ambassador. I have 5 presentations lined up at local elementary schools to teach young kids how to be safe around dogs. Dogs and kids, joyful things happen where dogs and kids intersect.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OM,</p>
<p>The sheikh is dead, may all future sheikhs be born still born. I am a gentle man, but somethings bring out my inner hard ass berserker persona.</p>
<p>Now pour a bit more wine in celebration because today I fulfilled my on line course to be a dog ambassador. I have 5 presentations lined up at local elementary schools to teach young kids how to be safe around dogs. Dogs and kids, joyful things happen where dogs and kids intersect.</p>
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		By: OM		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[OM]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Feb 2017 01:29:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Slightly off topic, but good news non the less:

&quot;Sheikh Omar Abdel-Rahman, the blind firebrand Islamist cleric behind the World Trade Center bombing in 1993, has died in federal prison, Fox News has learned. He was 78.&quot;

One that BHO couldn&#039;t or didn&#039;t pardon and the judges didn&#039;t spring.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Slightly off topic, but good news non the less:</p>
<p>&#8220;Sheikh Omar Abdel-Rahman, the blind firebrand Islamist cleric behind the World Trade Center bombing in 1993, has died in federal prison, Fox News has learned. He was 78.&#8221;</p>
<p>One that BHO couldn&#8217;t or didn&#8217;t pardon and the judges didn&#8217;t spring.</p>
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		By: Brian Swisher		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2017/02/18/the-courts-rule-on-trumps-intent-and-the-muslim-ban/#comment-2176284</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brian Swisher]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Feb 2017 23:28:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[WRT the haste with which the EO was issued, I have wondered if Trump and his advisors saw something when they gained access to classified info that they thought required immediate action.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WRT the haste with which the EO was issued, I have wondered if Trump and his advisors saw something when they gained access to classified info that they thought required immediate action.</p>
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		By: parker		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2017/02/18/the-courts-rule-on-trumps-intent-and-the-muslim-ban/#comment-2176281</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[parker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Feb 2017 22:54:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The shenanigans going on now in the courts is a lesson in why it is of the utter most importance that Consitutional judges are a majority of SCOTUS and the appellant courts. My limited research on this issue tells me the courts have very BIGLY limited authority to determine squat when it comes to who or who may not enter the USA.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The shenanigans going on now in the courts is a lesson in why it is of the utter most importance that Consitutional judges are a majority of SCOTUS and the appellant courts. My limited research on this issue tells me the courts have very BIGLY limited authority to determine squat when it comes to who or who may not enter the USA.</p>
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		By: Yancey Ward		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Yancey Ward]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Feb 2017 22:24:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I wrote once before that it literally would not have mattered how carefully the EO were constructed and issued, and it would not have mattered what anyone who supported Trump said publicly, however tangentially related to the issue at hand.  Whatever EO Trump issued on this would have reached the same judges in the same time period, and would have been decided in the same way.  I think at this point, even trying to point out the problems with the legal opinions is almost a waste of time.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wrote once before that it literally would not have mattered how carefully the EO were constructed and issued, and it would not have mattered what anyone who supported Trump said publicly, however tangentially related to the issue at hand.  Whatever EO Trump issued on this would have reached the same judges in the same time period, and would have been decided in the same way.  I think at this point, even trying to point out the problems with the legal opinions is almost a waste of time.</p>
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		By: expat		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[expat]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Feb 2017 21:55:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[How did these judges make it through law school?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How did these judges make it through law school?</p>
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