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		By: OM		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2017/02/15/and-then-theres-2/#comment-2175573</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[OM]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2017 02:50:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Cornflour:

Thanks for the article synopsis!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cornflour:</p>
<p>Thanks for the article synopsis!</p>
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		By: n.n		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2017/02/15/and-then-theres-2/#comment-2175464</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[n.n]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2017 20:39:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Oh, no!  First, it was dead Soviets.  And now, the dreaded Israeli connection.  Is there anyone who will not, or anything that will not, influence our election?

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Melania Trump is a strong women with a well developed character.  She will survive, adapt, and prosper as her husband serves the two parties to the Constitution: the People and our Posterity.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, no!  First, it was dead Soviets.  And now, the dreaded Israeli connection.  Is there anyone who will not, or anything that will not, influence our election?</p>
<p>&#8211; &#8211; &#8211;<br />
Melania Trump is a strong women with a well developed character.  She will survive, adapt, and prosper as her husband serves the two parties to the Constitution: the People and our Posterity.</p>
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		By: Richard Saunders		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2017/02/15/and-then-theres-2/#comment-2175459</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Saunders]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2017 20:30:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[My favorite airport book author described the CIA 10 years ago as, &quot;a few very good people trying to stay afloat in a sea of left-wing bureaucrats.&quot;
Since not even the NYT could squeeze out anything wrong from Flynn&#039;s conversations, Occam&#039;s Razor tells us that the reason offered for his departure was the truth -- he misled the Vice-President.  Anybody can see how important Pence is to this administration, but even if he weren&#039;t, that is a firing, Do Not Pass Go, offense.

OldTexan - You&#039;re wrong:  the main ingredient in carbon dioxide is oxygen (1 C to 2 Os, right?).  So obviously, we must cut back on the amount of oxygen in the atmosphere.  I call for strict curbs on oxygen production (get rid of that rainforest, Brazil!)  and imposition of an oxygen tax which will rid our planet of this toxic pollutant!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My favorite airport book author described the CIA 10 years ago as, &#8220;a few very good people trying to stay afloat in a sea of left-wing bureaucrats.&#8221;<br />
Since not even the NYT could squeeze out anything wrong from Flynn&#8217;s conversations, Occam&#8217;s Razor tells us that the reason offered for his departure was the truth &#8212; he misled the Vice-President.  Anybody can see how important Pence is to this administration, but even if he weren&#8217;t, that is a firing, Do Not Pass Go, offense.</p>
<p>OldTexan &#8211; You&#8217;re wrong:  the main ingredient in carbon dioxide is oxygen (1 C to 2 Os, right?).  So obviously, we must cut back on the amount of oxygen in the atmosphere.  I call for strict curbs on oxygen production (get rid of that rainforest, Brazil!)  and imposition of an oxygen tax which will rid our planet of this toxic pollutant!</p>
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		By: Tatterdemalian		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2017/02/15/and-then-theres-2/#comment-2175431</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tatterdemalian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2017 18:35:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Broadway has now &lt;a href=&quot;http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_58a5817be4b07602ad51d18c&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;made its loyalties clear&lt;/a&gt;, too. Mike Pence gets run out on a rail, Hillary Clinton gets a standing ovation.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Broadway has now <a href="http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_58a5817be4b07602ad51d18c" rel="nofollow">made its loyalties clear</a>, too. Mike Pence gets run out on a rail, Hillary Clinton gets a standing ovation.</p>
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		By: Cornflour		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2017/02/15/and-then-theres-2/#comment-2175427</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cornflour]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2017 18:22:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[For those few who might be interested in the geology paper, here&#039;s the abstract:

&quot;We report from converted seismic waves, a pervasive seismically anomalous layer above the transition zone beneath the western US. The layer, characterized by an average shear wave speed reduction of 1.6%, spans over an area of âˆ¼ 1 . 8 é— 10 6 km 2 with thicknesses varying between 25 and 70 km. The location of the layer correlates with the present location of a segment of the Farallon plate. This spatial correlation and the sharp seismic signal atop of the layer indicate that the layer is caused by compositional heterogeneity. Analysis of the seismic signature reveals that the compositional heterogeneity can be ascribed to a small volume of partial melt (0.5 ± 0.2 vol% on average). This article presents the first high resolution map of the melt present within the layer. Despite spatial variations in temperature, the calculated melt volume fraction correlates strongly with the amplitude of P—S conversion throughout the
region. Comparing the values of temperature calculated from the seismic signal with available petrological constraints, we infer that melting in the layer is caused by release of volatiles from the subducted Farallon slab. This partially molten zone beneath the western US can sequester at least 1 . 2 é— 10 17 kg of volatiles, and can act as a large regional reservoir of volatile species such as H or C.&quot;

I&#039;m not qualified to critique the paper, but it&#039;s a little too speculative for my tastes.  Still, we&#039;re talking about interpreting a large seismic survey of the upper mantle, so maybe the choice is speculation or saying nothing.

I&#039;m truly baffled as to how this paper came to be reported as &quot;news.&quot;  One of the authors is quoted a few times in the &quot;Daily Mail&quot; article, and he does himself no favors by trying to make the research seem relevant to the average climate-change phobic.  In doing so, he makes himself sound ridiculous and puts his credibility at risk.

There&#039;s no lake of carbon -- or of anything else.  To explain the results of a large seismic survey, they&#039;ve posited an anomalous amount of carbon and hydrogen in a layer of the upper mantle beneath the western US.  This area would correspond to subducted Farralon plate.  The elevated concentration of hydrogen and carbon would reduce the melting temperature and lead to partial melting, which would  cause the observed pattern in the seismic survey.

Whether their model is true or not, it has absolutely nothing to do with global warming or any other environmental issue.

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those few who might be interested in the geology paper, here&#8217;s the abstract:</p>
<p>&#8220;We report from converted seismic waves, a pervasive seismically anomalous layer above the transition zone beneath the western US. The layer, characterized by an average shear wave speed reduction of 1.6%, spans over an area of âˆ¼ 1 . 8 é— 10 6 km 2 with thicknesses varying between 25 and 70 km. The location of the layer correlates with the present location of a segment of the Farallon plate. This spatial correlation and the sharp seismic signal atop of the layer indicate that the layer is caused by compositional heterogeneity. Analysis of the seismic signature reveals that the compositional heterogeneity can be ascribed to a small volume of partial melt (0.5 ± 0.2 vol% on average). This article presents the first high resolution map of the melt present within the layer. Despite spatial variations in temperature, the calculated melt volume fraction correlates strongly with the amplitude of P—S conversion throughout the<br />
region. Comparing the values of temperature calculated from the seismic signal with available petrological constraints, we infer that melting in the layer is caused by release of volatiles from the subducted Farallon slab. This partially molten zone beneath the western US can sequester at least 1 . 2 é— 10 17 kg of volatiles, and can act as a large regional reservoir of volatile species such as H or C.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not qualified to critique the paper, but it&#8217;s a little too speculative for my tastes.  Still, we&#8217;re talking about interpreting a large seismic survey of the upper mantle, so maybe the choice is speculation or saying nothing.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m truly baffled as to how this paper came to be reported as &#8220;news.&#8221;  One of the authors is quoted a few times in the &#8220;Daily Mail&#8221; article, and he does himself no favors by trying to make the research seem relevant to the average climate-change phobic.  In doing so, he makes himself sound ridiculous and puts his credibility at risk.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s no lake of carbon &#8212; or of anything else.  To explain the results of a large seismic survey, they&#8217;ve posited an anomalous amount of carbon and hydrogen in a layer of the upper mantle beneath the western US.  This area would correspond to subducted Farralon plate.  The elevated concentration of hydrogen and carbon would reduce the melting temperature and lead to partial melting, which would  cause the observed pattern in the seismic survey.</p>
<p>Whether their model is true or not, it has absolutely nothing to do with global warming or any other environmental issue.</p>
<p>End of rant.</p>
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		By: Big Maq		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2017/02/15/and-then-theres-2/#comment-2175411</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2017 17:38:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[McCarthy&#039;s article reinforces what I&#039;ve been &quot;ranting&quot; about for the last several comments.

BOTH sides need to be held accountable.

trump&#039;s own derogatory comments about anyone and anything, particularly wrt those in our own institutions just escalates things.

McCarthy puts together a nice case of how that just blows up on itself.

There are a lot of &quot;wrongs&quot; done all around in this episode.

Pointing to the left and their narrative, or to the IC who may (or may not) be obama supporters and questioning their motive is only one part of the puzzle, ignoring trump&#039;s (and his team&#039;s) contribution.

Hope trump&#039;s other picks are MUCH smarter than Gen Flynn.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>McCarthy&#8217;s article reinforces what I&#8217;ve been &#8220;ranting&#8221; about for the last several comments.</p>
<p>BOTH sides need to be held accountable.</p>
<p>trump&#8217;s own derogatory comments about anyone and anything, particularly wrt those in our own institutions just escalates things.</p>
<p>McCarthy puts together a nice case of how that just blows up on itself.</p>
<p>There are a lot of &#8220;wrongs&#8221; done all around in this episode.</p>
<p>Pointing to the left and their narrative, or to the IC who may (or may not) be obama supporters and questioning their motive is only one part of the puzzle, ignoring trump&#8217;s (and his team&#8217;s) contribution.</p>
<p>Hope trump&#8217;s other picks are MUCH smarter than Gen Flynn.</p>
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		By: Roy		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2017/02/15/and-then-theres-2/#comment-2175403</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Roy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2017 17:09:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;...carbon is a main ingredient in Carbon Dioxide.&quot;

Tongue-in-cheek aside, carbon is also the main ingredient in oil and natural gas - that&#039;s why we call them hydrocarbons.

Could it be that oil and natural gas are not really &quot;fossil&quot; fuels but are synthesized by other, natural, means within the earth.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;carbon is a main ingredient in Carbon Dioxide.&#8221;</p>
<p>Tongue-in-cheek aside, carbon is also the main ingredient in oil and natural gas &#8211; that&#8217;s why we call them hydrocarbons.</p>
<p>Could it be that oil and natural gas are not really &#8220;fossil&#8221; fuels but are synthesized by other, natural, means within the earth.</p>
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		By: OldTexan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2017 16:29:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Of course Melania is unhappy, now that her husband is president the is a huge amount of carbon under the USA, coincidence I think not.  It&#039;s Trump&#039;s fault and furthermore there is a distinct fear that he will sell huge quantities to Israel and as we know, Carbon Dioxide is dangerous and carbon is a main ingredient in Carbon Dioxide.

When Obama was in office we didn&#039;t have these problems and fears and now, due to high level information leaks we have this big mess of carbon to worry about.  Funny how bad things become within the first month of a Republican presidency.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course Melania is unhappy, now that her husband is president the is a huge amount of carbon under the USA, coincidence I think not.  It&#8217;s Trump&#8217;s fault and furthermore there is a distinct fear that he will sell huge quantities to Israel and as we know, Carbon Dioxide is dangerous and carbon is a main ingredient in Carbon Dioxide.</p>
<p>When Obama was in office we didn&#8217;t have these problems and fears and now, due to high level information leaks we have this big mess of carbon to worry about.  Funny how bad things become within the first month of a Republican presidency.</p>
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		By: Jamie		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2017/02/15/and-then-theres-2/#comment-2175371</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jamie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2017 15:44:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Patrick Poole&#039;s work on the Flynn situation and the larger &quot;Trump organization and Russia, sitting in a tree&quot; thing is very good stuff. The latest is here: &lt;a href=&quot;https://pjmedia.com/homeland-security/2017/02/15/medias-flynn-russia-narrative-quickly-collapsing-as-fbi-reportedly-clears-former-national-security-adviser/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https://pjmedia.com/homeland-security/2017/02/15/medias-flynn-russia-narrative-quickly-collapsing-as-fbi-reportedly-clears-former-national-security-adviser/&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patrick Poole&#8217;s work on the Flynn situation and the larger &#8220;Trump organization and Russia, sitting in a tree&#8221; thing is very good stuff. The latest is here: <a href="https://pjmedia.com/homeland-security/2017/02/15/medias-flynn-russia-narrative-quickly-collapsing-as-fbi-reportedly-clears-former-national-security-adviser/" rel="nofollow">https://pjmedia.com/homeland-security/2017/02/15/medias-flynn-russia-narrative-quickly-collapsing-as-fbi-reportedly-clears-former-national-security-adviser/</a></p>
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		By: Surellin		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Surellin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2017 14:09:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I have to wonder about the lake of molten carbon.  We&#039;re talking about the upper mantle.  Carbon is light, and it will rise to the top of a liquid like the mantle, right?  The core is nickel-iron, and lighter substances above it.   I&#039;d be surprised if there weren&#039;t a LOT of lakes of molten carbon, or beryllium, or such other light elements, all over the place.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to wonder about the lake of molten carbon.  We&#8217;re talking about the upper mantle.  Carbon is light, and it will rise to the top of a liquid like the mantle, right?  The core is nickel-iron, and lighter substances above it.   I&#8217;d be surprised if there weren&#8217;t a LOT of lakes of molten carbon, or beryllium, or such other light elements, all over the place.</p>
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