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		By: parker		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2017/02/12/why-the-9th-circuits-decision-on-the-tro-is-dangerous/#comment-2174506</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[parker]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[There are precedents both stautory and judicial rulings that do not require any given POTUS to seek approval of the judicial branch when it comes to the topic of immigration/entry of aliens, even aliens with visas or green cards. This is, once again, the judicial branch engaging in politics. That is not their job.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are precedents both stautory and judicial rulings that do not require any given POTUS to seek approval of the judicial branch when it comes to the topic of immigration/entry of aliens, even aliens with visas or green cards. This is, once again, the judicial branch engaging in politics. That is not their job.</p>
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		By: Richard Saunders		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2017/02/12/why-the-9th-circuits-decision-on-the-tro-is-dangerous/#comment-2174462</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Saunders]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2017 23:48:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The IRS has a procedure called &quot;nonacquiescence,&quot; under which the Service announces it will not follow a court decision. In the case of a lower court decision. the announcement directs IRS personnel  not to follow the decision in handling taxpayers&#039; cases.  In the case of a circuit court of appeals decision, the IRS will follow it only in that circuit.  The Department of Homeland Security should immediately promulgate temporary and proposed regulations adopting the same policy and applying it to this case.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The IRS has a procedure called &#8220;nonacquiescence,&#8221; under which the Service announces it will not follow a court decision. In the case of a lower court decision. the announcement directs IRS personnel  not to follow the decision in handling taxpayers&#8217; cases.  In the case of a circuit court of appeals decision, the IRS will follow it only in that circuit.  The Department of Homeland Security should immediately promulgate temporary and proposed regulations adopting the same policy and applying it to this case.</p>
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		By: John Dough		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Dough]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2017 22:53:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Once the Supreme Court is again full, I believe this 9th circuit court ruling needs to be adjudicated to again place the decision making power over immigration back in the hands of the Executive Dept.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once the Supreme Court is again full, I believe this 9th circuit court ruling needs to be adjudicated to again place the decision making power over immigration back in the hands of the Executive Dept.</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2017/02/12/why-the-9th-circuits-decision-on-the-tro-is-dangerous/#comment-2174407</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo-neocon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2017 21:00:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Montage:

Trump is not the first to apply a blanket ban to a country.

And the seven countries are not a &quot;region.&quot;  Turkey, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Oman, Egypt, Ethiopia are in that same region and are not included.

Carter &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.frontpagemag.com/point/261062/carter-banned-iranians-coming-us-during-hostage-daniel-greenfield&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;banned immigrants&lt;/a&gt; from Iran during the hostage crisis.

A Court cannot &quot;see&quot; religious discrimination because of prior statements a year earlier and an intent to issue a ban that &lt;i&gt;is different&lt;/i&gt;, when the present ban obviously does not involve banning Muslims.  That is (as I wrote in another context) charging Trump with thought-crime, minus anything in the current EO that has to do with said thought-crime.  It is a very dangerous precedent the court would be setting.

I do agree that Trump should just rewrite it.  I thought it was carelessly drafted in the first place.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Montage:</p>
<p>Trump is not the first to apply a blanket ban to a country.</p>
<p>And the seven countries are not a &#8220;region.&#8221;  Turkey, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Oman, Egypt, Ethiopia are in that same region and are not included.</p>
<p>Carter <a href="http://www.frontpagemag.com/point/261062/carter-banned-iranians-coming-us-during-hostage-daniel-greenfield" rel="nofollow">banned immigrants</a> from Iran during the hostage crisis.</p>
<p>A Court cannot &#8220;see&#8221; religious discrimination because of prior statements a year earlier and an intent to issue a ban that <i>is different</i>, when the present ban obviously does not involve banning Muslims.  That is (as I wrote in another context) charging Trump with thought-crime, minus anything in the current EO that has to do with said thought-crime.  It is a very dangerous precedent the court would be setting.</p>
<p>I do agree that Trump should just rewrite it.  I thought it was carelessly drafted in the first place.</p>
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		By: Montage		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2017/02/12/why-the-9th-circuits-decision-on-the-tro-is-dangerous/#comment-2174398</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Montage]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2017 20:08:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The Ninth Circuit had nothing to say about The Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952 that has the provision: &quot;Suspension of entry or imposition of restrictions by President&quot;. That provision gives the President a lot of leeway in matters of immigration. It has been used by all Presidents since 1952 except Truman [who vetoed the law, which was overridden by Congress, where Democrats had the majority in both houses btw].

The issue, however, is that Trump is the first to apply a blanket ban to everyone from a specific country [or region]. So the Ninth Circuit looked at that, as well as things that Trump said when he was campaigning and they read that as a ‘Muslim ban’ not just a ban of people from a particular region. Therefore, they saw religious discrimination. So they relied more on the First and Fourteenth Amendments than on the provision of the 1952 Act.

Therefore, the easy fix would be for Trump [and his team] to rewrite the order in a way that the courts will accept. I&#039;m sure they are doing that.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Ninth Circuit had nothing to say about The Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952 that has the provision: &#8220;Suspension of entry or imposition of restrictions by President&#8221;. That provision gives the President a lot of leeway in matters of immigration. It has been used by all Presidents since 1952 except Truman [who vetoed the law, which was overridden by Congress, where Democrats had the majority in both houses btw].</p>
<p>The issue, however, is that Trump is the first to apply a blanket ban to everyone from a specific country [or region]. So the Ninth Circuit looked at that, as well as things that Trump said when he was campaigning and they read that as a ‘Muslim ban’ not just a ban of people from a particular region. Therefore, they saw religious discrimination. So they relied more on the First and Fourteenth Amendments than on the provision of the 1952 Act.</p>
<p>Therefore, the easy fix would be for Trump [and his team] to rewrite the order in a way that the courts will accept. I&#8217;m sure they are doing that.</p>
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		By: Big Maq		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2017/02/12/why-the-9th-circuits-decision-on-the-tro-is-dangerous/#comment-2174368</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Big Maq]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2017 18:20:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Warning, topic change!

Much of the coverage here has been with this one EO (how can it not be? - one of the consequences), so there isn&#039;t anywhere to give a heads up on this.

One of the most anticipated promises has been tax reform.  

Here is an article with some details on how that is shaping up.  Looks good!
http://www.ozy.com/pov/the-trump-tax-cut-how-much-how-soon-how-certain/75641

Treating capital investment as an expense, alone, can spur a large increase in business investment (i.e. instead of taxes, that money goes to things that may provide some jobs one way or another).

Expect a lot of complaints on the left about how this benefits the rich and corporations.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Warning, topic change!</p>
<p>Much of the coverage here has been with this one EO (how can it not be? &#8211; one of the consequences), so there isn&#8217;t anywhere to give a heads up on this.</p>
<p>One of the most anticipated promises has been tax reform.  </p>
<p>Here is an article with some details on how that is shaping up.  Looks good!<br />
<a href="http://www.ozy.com/pov/the-trump-tax-cut-how-much-how-soon-how-certain/75641" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.ozy.com/pov/the-trump-tax-cut-how-much-how-soon-how-certain/75641</a></p>
<p>Treating capital investment as an expense, alone, can spur a large increase in business investment (i.e. instead of taxes, that money goes to things that may provide some jobs one way or another).</p>
<p>Expect a lot of complaints on the left about how this benefits the rich and corporations.</p>
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		By: Big Maq		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2017/02/12/why-the-9th-circuits-decision-on-the-tro-is-dangerous/#comment-2174364</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Big Maq]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2017 18:00:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Yankee - nice list]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Yankee &#8211; nice list</p>
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		By: Sergey		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2017/02/12/why-the-9th-circuits-decision-on-the-tro-is-dangerous/#comment-2174363</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sergey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2017 17:57:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It seems to be a major problem in many democratic states: judical oligarchy becoming politicized and meddling into government policy, with no legal measure available to reign them in. Recently many such judical decisions were taken by Israel Supreme court on status of settlements, and the whole apparatus of state paralyzed and incapable to prevent uprooting of families and destruction of their homes with no avail for anybody involved except so-called human-rights defenders, openly hostile to the state.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems to be a major problem in many democratic states: judical oligarchy becoming politicized and meddling into government policy, with no legal measure available to reign them in. Recently many such judical decisions were taken by Israel Supreme court on status of settlements, and the whole apparatus of state paralyzed and incapable to prevent uprooting of families and destruction of their homes with no avail for anybody involved except so-called human-rights defenders, openly hostile to the state.</p>
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		By: Yankee		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Yankee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2017 17:22:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A bad decision from the 9th Circuit, but not wholly unexpected, considering the trend of the judiciary with other decisions, and the preference of many on the Left for open borders.

But this is just the start, as while we may use the term &quot;activist judges&quot;, the reality is that any court can only hear cases that come before it, and all the initiative for action is on the side of Mr. Trump and the Congress.

Lots of things can be done:
1. Other executive orders (just with a little fine-tuning)
2. Changes to current immigration law passed by Congress
3. Congress choosing not to appropriate any money for refugee programs, or else limiting it (power of the purse)
4. Appointing other judges to the Supreme and appellate courts (Ginsburg is 83, Kennedy is 80, and Breyer is 78)
5. Congress can split up the 9th Circuit, and create new circuits (which is long overdue)
6. Judicial review is not an issue if Congress passes a law restricting the jurisdiction of the courts (jurisdiction stripping)
7. Public speeches by President Trump explaining his policies and why he is right (the bully pulpit)
8. External events

Other instances of terrorism in the U.S. or Europe will sway public opinion in favor of restricting immigration.  And the latest news from Germany is that Chancellor Merkel is considering paying refugees to return to their home countries.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A bad decision from the 9th Circuit, but not wholly unexpected, considering the trend of the judiciary with other decisions, and the preference of many on the Left for open borders.</p>
<p>But this is just the start, as while we may use the term &#8220;activist judges&#8221;, the reality is that any court can only hear cases that come before it, and all the initiative for action is on the side of Mr. Trump and the Congress.</p>
<p>Lots of things can be done:<br />
1. Other executive orders (just with a little fine-tuning)<br />
2. Changes to current immigration law passed by Congress<br />
3. Congress choosing not to appropriate any money for refugee programs, or else limiting it (power of the purse)<br />
4. Appointing other judges to the Supreme and appellate courts (Ginsburg is 83, Kennedy is 80, and Breyer is 78)<br />
5. Congress can split up the 9th Circuit, and create new circuits (which is long overdue)<br />
6. Judicial review is not an issue if Congress passes a law restricting the jurisdiction of the courts (jurisdiction stripping)<br />
7. Public speeches by President Trump explaining his policies and why he is right (the bully pulpit)<br />
8. External events</p>
<p>Other instances of terrorism in the U.S. or Europe will sway public opinion in favor of restricting immigration.  And the latest news from Germany is that Chancellor Merkel is considering paying refugees to return to their home countries.</p>
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		By: Big Maq		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2017/02/12/why-the-9th-circuits-decision-on-the-tro-is-dangerous/#comment-2174351</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Big Maq]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2017 16:49:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;&quot;Any POTUS should tell the judicial branch “you and what army?”&quot;&lt;/em&gt; - parker

No, unless what we want is to expand beyond this Overton Window on Constitutional boundaries wrt executive powers, and  make it real.

When the next dem POTUS has their turn at bat, we&#039;d love having done that even more than the dems love having killed the fillibuster for judicial appointments.

As mentioned in comments above, there are plenty of avenues for the POTUS to pursue.

First, is to reconsider this whole EO.  I doubt trump could let go of using an EO altogether, given the challenge he must feel personally, and the need to do something splashy.

But, if he does, maybe his team can craft a much stronger and more sound one, using &quot;extreme vetting&quot; by his staff across all affected functions, and then prepare for a competent rollout.

IOW, do it right the &lt;strike&gt;first&lt;/strike&gt; second time.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>&#8220;Any POTUS should tell the judicial branch “you and what army?”&#8221;</em> &#8211; parker</p>
<p>No, unless what we want is to expand beyond this Overton Window on Constitutional boundaries wrt executive powers, and  make it real.</p>
<p>When the next dem POTUS has their turn at bat, we&#8217;d love having done that even more than the dems love having killed the fillibuster for judicial appointments.</p>
<p>As mentioned in comments above, there are plenty of avenues for the POTUS to pursue.</p>
<p>First, is to reconsider this whole EO.  I doubt trump could let go of using an EO altogether, given the challenge he must feel personally, and the need to do something splashy.</p>
<p>But, if he does, maybe his team can craft a much stronger and more sound one, using &#8220;extreme vetting&#8221; by his staff across all affected functions, and then prepare for a competent rollout.</p>
<p>IOW, do it right the <strike>first</strike> second time.</p>
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