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		By: Big Maq		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2017/01/31/more-on-thought-and-action-and-trump-of-course/#comment-2170649</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Big Maq]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Feb 2017 22:16:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Other Chuck - right.  There are good signs.  Most of the cabinet and advisory choices were good, from a conservative point of view.

So, plenty of potential.

A few problems.  

1) Will trump really be listening to them?  And will he back them, when the going gets tough?
2) Who does he rely on most?  If it is bunion, then we are sunk.  A good example is this &quot;ban&quot; that is not a ban debacle, which bunion apparently led.
3) Will trump (and his team) learn from their mistakes (requiring they recognize them, even if only internally)?  And do so well before any major damage or crisis happen?

Usually we can defer to our president and his staff a superior level of understanding and capability.  But, when I come away feeling I (yes, me - who is even further away from politics as trump was) can do a better job, than has occurred the first few days, there is a problem.

I was expecting FAR better from this billionaire who bragged about his competence.

Surprisingly, never got that sense with any past president, even with obama, as much as I was against his politics, and suspected his community organizer experience.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Other Chuck &#8211; right.  There are good signs.  Most of the cabinet and advisory choices were good, from a conservative point of view.</p>
<p>So, plenty of potential.</p>
<p>A few problems.  </p>
<p>1) Will trump really be listening to them?  And will he back them, when the going gets tough?<br />
2) Who does he rely on most?  If it is bunion, then we are sunk.  A good example is this &#8220;ban&#8221; that is not a ban debacle, which bunion apparently led.<br />
3) Will trump (and his team) learn from their mistakes (requiring they recognize them, even if only internally)?  And do so well before any major damage or crisis happen?</p>
<p>Usually we can defer to our president and his staff a superior level of understanding and capability.  But, when I come away feeling I (yes, me &#8211; who is even further away from politics as trump was) can do a better job, than has occurred the first few days, there is a problem.</p>
<p>I was expecting FAR better from this billionaire who bragged about his competence.</p>
<p>Surprisingly, never got that sense with any past president, even with obama, as much as I was against his politics, and suspected his community organizer experience.</p>
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		By: The Other Chuck		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Other Chuck]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Feb 2017 18:08:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Despite all the bitching on my part about Trump, and any lack of empathy for those who would excuse and rationalize his faults, so far he&#039;s made excellent cabinet choices and is showing an iron resolve in taking on the DC establishment. You may not like the man and his past, but he has surrounded himself with conservative advisors who he seems to be listening to. So far.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Despite all the bitching on my part about Trump, and any lack of empathy for those who would excuse and rationalize his faults, so far he&#8217;s made excellent cabinet choices and is showing an iron resolve in taking on the DC establishment. You may not like the man and his past, but he has surrounded himself with conservative advisors who he seems to be listening to. So far.</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[huxley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Feb 2017 16:03:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;I just wish George H. W., McCain, and Romney had been so risky and undisciplined!&lt;/i&gt;

GHW Bush, McCain and Romney ran against two of the strongest Dem campaigners since FDR.

Trump barely edged out the worst Dem candidate in living memory in a change year with the third-term curse working against her.

Seems like a whole lotta hubris goin&#039; on.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I just wish George H. W., McCain, and Romney had been so risky and undisciplined!</i></p>
<p>GHW Bush, McCain and Romney ran against two of the strongest Dem campaigners since FDR.</p>
<p>Trump barely edged out the worst Dem candidate in living memory in a change year with the third-term curse working against her.</p>
<p>Seems like a whole lotta hubris goin&#8217; on.</p>
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		By: Sergey		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sergey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Feb 2017 11:16:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I do not claim that Trump is Objectivist ideologically, he is no ideologist at all. But as a person, he looks like a personage from &quot;Atlas Shrugged&quot; page by any measure. And his main strategist and ideologist, Bannon, is as Nietzschean as they came.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do not claim that Trump is Objectivist ideologically, he is no ideologist at all. But as a person, he looks like a personage from &#8220;Atlas Shrugged&#8221; page by any measure. And his main strategist and ideologist, Bannon, is as Nietzschean as they came.</p>
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		By: Sergey		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sergey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Feb 2017 11:03:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[GOP leadership is now bound to Trump camp by the most important thing in politics - ability to win elections, on every level of governance. Trump has shown that without white workers on the board no election is winnable. So all GOP policies must be reoriented to keep this constituency loyal to the party. This is the main shift in the body politics, and it amounts to Jacksonian revolution. It is useless to dispute now whether Trump has mandate or not: the seismic shift has happened, and it is irreversible.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GOP leadership is now bound to Trump camp by the most important thing in politics &#8211; ability to win elections, on every level of governance. Trump has shown that without white workers on the board no election is winnable. So all GOP policies must be reoriented to keep this constituency loyal to the party. This is the main shift in the body politics, and it amounts to Jacksonian revolution. It is useless to dispute now whether Trump has mandate or not: the seismic shift has happened, and it is irreversible.</p>
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		By: Big Maq		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2017/01/31/more-on-thought-and-action-and-trump-of-course/#comment-2170345</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Big Maq]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Feb 2017 03:28:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Richard - you read me wrong, but what the heck, that&#039;s part and parcel for calling into question anything wrt trump.

The problem is trump and his devoted followers think the election itself is proof of much.

Just how obsessed can one be about the margin (not particularly big) of EC votes?  

Must trump need validation from every world leader that he has won legitimately?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/no-gday-mate-on-call-with-australian-pm-trump-badgers-and-brags/2017/02/01/88a3bfb0-e8bf-11e6-80c2-30e57e57e05d_story.html

This election had the fewest proportion of eligible voters in recent times.  trump&#039;s margin in the swing states was razor thin.

Facts are facts, even if inconvenient to trump&#039;s narrative of having a &quot;mandate&quot;.  

He doesn&#039;t.  

He merely has a chance to prove himself, with a GOP majority in Congress who really don&#039;t owe him much.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Richard &#8211; you read me wrong, but what the heck, that&#8217;s part and parcel for calling into question anything wrt trump.</p>
<p>The problem is trump and his devoted followers think the election itself is proof of much.</p>
<p>Just how obsessed can one be about the margin (not particularly big) of EC votes?  </p>
<p>Must trump need validation from every world leader that he has won legitimately?<br />
<a href="https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/no-gday-mate-on-call-with-australian-pm-trump-badgers-and-brags/2017/02/01/88a3bfb0-e8bf-11e6-80c2-30e57e57e05d_story.html" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/no-gday-mate-on-call-with-australian-pm-trump-badgers-and-brags/2017/02/01/88a3bfb0-e8bf-11e6-80c2-30e57e57e05d_story.html</a></p>
<p>This election had the fewest proportion of eligible voters in recent times.  trump&#8217;s margin in the swing states was razor thin.</p>
<p>Facts are facts, even if inconvenient to trump&#8217;s narrative of having a &#8220;mandate&#8221;.  </p>
<p>He doesn&#8217;t.  </p>
<p>He merely has a chance to prove himself, with a GOP majority in Congress who really don&#8217;t owe him much.</p>
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		By: Richard Saunders		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2017/01/31/more-on-thought-and-action-and-trump-of-course/#comment-2170263</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Saunders]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2017 22:34:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Big Maq -- your visceral hatred of Trump clouds your judgement.  &lt;i&gt;Res ipsa loquitor&lt;/i&gt; -- the thing, in this case the election, speaks for itself.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Big Maq &#8212; your visceral hatred of Trump clouds your judgement.  <i>Res ipsa loquitor</i> &#8212; the thing, in this case the election, speaks for itself.</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2017/01/31/more-on-thought-and-action-and-trump-of-course/#comment-2170239</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[huxley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2017 21:43:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s hard for me to see Trump as an Objectivist. I don&#039;t take Trump&#039;s Christianity too seriously, but it&#039;s hard for me to imagine a real Objectivist claiming the Bible was his favorite book.

As Roy Lofquist mentioned above, Trump was a follower of Norman Vincent Peale, the &quot;Positive Thinking&quot; pastor. Trump and his parents regularly attended services at Peale&#039;s church . Trump&#039;s sisters were married there along with the funeral services for Trump&#039;s parents.

So Trump does have a history with Christianity, although Peale was often attacked for running more of a cult than church.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s hard for me to see Trump as an Objectivist. I don&#8217;t take Trump&#8217;s Christianity too seriously, but it&#8217;s hard for me to imagine a real Objectivist claiming the Bible was his favorite book.</p>
<p>As Roy Lofquist mentioned above, Trump was a follower of Norman Vincent Peale, the &#8220;Positive Thinking&#8221; pastor. Trump and his parents regularly attended services at Peale&#8217;s church . Trump&#8217;s sisters were married there along with the funeral services for Trump&#8217;s parents.</p>
<p>So Trump does have a history with Christianity, although Peale was often attacked for running more of a cult than church.</p>
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		By: The Other Chuck		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2017/01/31/more-on-thought-and-action-and-trump-of-course/#comment-2170229</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Other Chuck]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2017 21:22:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sergey, your take on Ayn Rand and Objectivism is distorted. I&#039;m not a follower of what became her cult, but I do have a very, very thorough understanding of her philosophy. While she initially identified with Nietzsche, by the time she got around to publishing &lt;i&gt;The Fountainhead&lt;/i&gt; she had explicitly renounced his philosophy, to the point of removing any references to him in her dedication and even rewriting passages she considered too Nietzchean. 

As to Trump being an Objectivist, perhaps he wants to think of himself as a radical advocate of unfettered capitalism, but his entire business career has been an example of crony capitalism, from buying off government officials to using bankruptcy and eminent domain (theft) to achieve his &quot;success&quot; at any price. In short he is a man without ethical grounding or a consistent ideology. He is similar to Nixon in his thinking. In a speech Ayn Rand gave at the U.S. Military Academy at West Point, she referenced Nixon as a perfect example of Pragmatism. Nixon was a man without principles, as is Trump. Whatever works is the motto. Action before thought. Revenge as a means.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sergey, your take on Ayn Rand and Objectivism is distorted. I&#8217;m not a follower of what became her cult, but I do have a very, very thorough understanding of her philosophy. While she initially identified with Nietzsche, by the time she got around to publishing <i>The Fountainhead</i> she had explicitly renounced his philosophy, to the point of removing any references to him in her dedication and even rewriting passages she considered too Nietzchean. </p>
<p>As to Trump being an Objectivist, perhaps he wants to think of himself as a radical advocate of unfettered capitalism, but his entire business career has been an example of crony capitalism, from buying off government officials to using bankruptcy and eminent domain (theft) to achieve his &#8220;success&#8221; at any price. In short he is a man without ethical grounding or a consistent ideology. He is similar to Nixon in his thinking. In a speech Ayn Rand gave at the U.S. Military Academy at West Point, she referenced Nixon as a perfect example of Pragmatism. Nixon was a man without principles, as is Trump. Whatever works is the motto. Action before thought. Revenge as a means.</p>
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		By: Big Maq		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2017/01/31/more-on-thought-and-action-and-trump-of-course/#comment-2170196</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Big Maq]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2017 20:10:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Richard Saunders - nonsense!

Read the first part here:
http://neoneocon.com/2017/01/31/more-on-thought-and-action-and-trump-of-course/#comment-2170111

Another &quot;p*ssy grab&quot; news items would have sunk him, his margin for win was so very thin.

clinton was just that bad a choice to lead the dems, that despite would be GOP voters staying home, so did a rather large number of dem voters.

Had a good number of expected GOP voters not stayed home (e.g. had trump received more than McCain as a percentage of eligible voters), you might have a valid argument wrt a trump grand strategy.

All you can claim is that trump&#039;s win was fair and square, and he is a legitimate POTUS as a result.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard Saunders &#8211; nonsense!</p>
<p>Read the first part here:<br />
<a href="http://neoneocon.com/2017/01/31/more-on-thought-and-action-and-trump-of-course/#comment-2170111" rel="nofollow ugc">http://neoneocon.com/2017/01/31/more-on-thought-and-action-and-trump-of-course/#comment-2170111</a></p>
<p>Another &#8220;p*ssy grab&#8221; news items would have sunk him, his margin for win was so very thin.</p>
<p>clinton was just that bad a choice to lead the dems, that despite would be GOP voters staying home, so did a rather large number of dem voters.</p>
<p>Had a good number of expected GOP voters not stayed home (e.g. had trump received more than McCain as a percentage of eligible voters), you might have a valid argument wrt a trump grand strategy.</p>
<p>All you can claim is that trump&#8217;s win was fair and square, and he is a legitimate POTUS as a result.</p>
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