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		By: LindaF		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LindaF]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2017 23:14:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I did some checking on the family whose daughter was distraught over missing being with her mother while she was hospital. One of the nieces, who&#039;d been sent to pick up the woman at the airport has been supporting a terrorist bunch on her Facebook page. Not necessarily indicative of the rest of the family, but certainly needing more investigation before swallowing the story whole.

The woman CLAIMS to be a preschool teacher - I&#039;d like more information about the school - is it a Madrassa? Is she actually working as a teacher, or was that detail added to get the Lefties&#039; heartstrings all a-twitter?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did some checking on the family whose daughter was distraught over missing being with her mother while she was hospital. One of the nieces, who&#8217;d been sent to pick up the woman at the airport has been supporting a terrorist bunch on her Facebook page. Not necessarily indicative of the rest of the family, but certainly needing more investigation before swallowing the story whole.</p>
<p>The woman CLAIMS to be a preschool teacher &#8211; I&#8217;d like more information about the school &#8211; is it a Madrassa? Is she actually working as a teacher, or was that detail added to get the Lefties&#8217; heartstrings all a-twitter?</p>
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		By: Bill		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bill]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2017 12:30:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The immigration order is making it hard on people with green cards,  regardless. For example,  a co-worker who already spent tons of money to get tickets for a trip back to India next week.  Immigration officer advised he cancel the trip.  

May seem like a small price to pay - but I agree with the sentiment upthread - what was wrong with current refugee vetting processes? Honest question. 

The order was delivered in such a rush that even guys like my friend from India who have been vetted out the wazoo (green card holder) are effected,  largely out of just confusion and caution -  And we really,  really need our green card co-workers (I&#039;m in IT). 

We&#039;re twelve days in. Happy with the Supreme Court pick. Not happy with rule-by-EO and wondering if the president will just do that the rest of his term or actually work the process of Government the way they are supposed to be worked?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The immigration order is making it hard on people with green cards,  regardless. For example,  a co-worker who already spent tons of money to get tickets for a trip back to India next week.  Immigration officer advised he cancel the trip.  </p>
<p>May seem like a small price to pay &#8211; but I agree with the sentiment upthread &#8211; what was wrong with current refugee vetting processes? Honest question. </p>
<p>The order was delivered in such a rush that even guys like my friend from India who have been vetted out the wazoo (green card holder) are effected,  largely out of just confusion and caution &#8211;  And we really,  really need our green card co-workers (I&#8217;m in IT). </p>
<p>We&#8217;re twelve days in. Happy with the Supreme Court pick. Not happy with rule-by-EO and wondering if the president will just do that the rest of his term or actually work the process of Government the way they are supposed to be worked?</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2017 23:02:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;Whatever Trump is doing doesn’t look much like what I was taught.&lt;/b&gt;

NLP isn&#039;t based on twitter triggering. If Trum was making a speech, he can reach the audience with hypnotic techniques same way Hussein did.

What does the triggering in NLP these days is the meme factories and propaganda posters people put up. It&#039;s not old school because original NLP didn&#039;t have these tools.

&lt;b&gt;To be fair Adams mentions NLP as only one ingredient for the stew he calls Master Persuasion.&lt;/b&gt;

Here&#039;s a list of things they may have picked it up from.

Lizard Queen of England.
The Controllers.
The Rothschilds.
The Bankers.
The Vatican.
The Jesuits.
The Dominicans.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Whatever Trump is doing doesn’t look much like what I was taught.</b></p>
<p>NLP isn&#8217;t based on twitter triggering. If Trum was making a speech, he can reach the audience with hypnotic techniques same way Hussein did.</p>
<p>What does the triggering in NLP these days is the meme factories and propaganda posters people put up. It&#8217;s not old school because original NLP didn&#8217;t have these tools.</p>
<p><b>To be fair Adams mentions NLP as only one ingredient for the stew he calls Master Persuasion.</b></p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a list of things they may have picked it up from.</p>
<p>Lizard Queen of England.<br />
The Controllers.<br />
The Rothschilds.<br />
The Bankers.<br />
The Vatican.<br />
The Jesuits.<br />
The Dominicans.</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[huxley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2017 16:45:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[FWIW I&#039;m a certified NLP Master Practitioner. Whatever Trump is doing doesn&#039;t look much like what I was taught. 

Nor do Scott Adams&#039;s explanations map well to NLP as I understand it. To be fair Adams mentions NLP as only one ingredient for the stew he calls Master Persuasion.

The closest brand of persuasion I can see Trump practicing is what the pickup-artist community calls Game, which includes &quot;negging&quot; -- seemingly casual insults designed to undermine a woman&#039;s confidence thereby encouraging her to be attracted to the pickup-guy as an alpha male.

Trump definitely has Game.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FWIW I&#8217;m a certified NLP Master Practitioner. Whatever Trump is doing doesn&#8217;t look much like what I was taught. </p>
<p>Nor do Scott Adams&#8217;s explanations map well to NLP as I understand it. To be fair Adams mentions NLP as only one ingredient for the stew he calls Master Persuasion.</p>
<p>The closest brand of persuasion I can see Trump practicing is what the pickup-artist community calls Game, which includes &#8220;negging&#8221; &#8212; seemingly casual insults designed to undermine a woman&#8217;s confidence thereby encouraging her to be attracted to the pickup-guy as an alpha male.</p>
<p>Trump definitely has Game.</p>
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		By: Big Maq		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Big Maq]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2017 16:05:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;&quot;Agree 100% with Scott Adams. Why he isn’t on Fox explaining this is a mystery to me.&quot;&lt;/em&gt; - Cornhead

dilbert&#039;s base assumption divides the world into two categories:  meat puppets (vast majority), and master persuaders (an elite, small percentage of the population).

Where do you think he&#039;d put you?

Here is a clue from his most recent post:

&lt;em&gt;&quot;As a trained persuader, I’m seeing a dangerous situation forming that &lt;b&gt;I assume is invisible to most of you.&lt;/b&gt;&quot;&lt;/em&gt;
http://blog.dilbert.com/post/156540315831/be-careful-what-you-wish-for-especially-if-it-is

You are faaaar smarter than what adams gives you credit for, but you are free to &lt;em&gt;&quot;Agree 100% with Scott Adams&quot;&lt;/em&gt;.
.

His branch of NLP is full of sh*t, for the most part, and gets way more credit than he deserves for sometimes having interesting points.  

He only gets airplay because it &quot;aligns&quot; with what people want to hear wrt trump, of course, assuming themselves not to be meat puppets.

His theoretical foundations may not be more than a step or two away from l ron hubbard&#039;s dianetics, afaiknow.

Fox, rightly, doesn&#039;t touch his nonsense.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>&#8220;Agree 100% with Scott Adams. Why he isn’t on Fox explaining this is a mystery to me.&#8221;</em> &#8211; Cornhead</p>
<p>dilbert&#8217;s base assumption divides the world into two categories:  meat puppets (vast majority), and master persuaders (an elite, small percentage of the population).</p>
<p>Where do you think he&#8217;d put you?</p>
<p>Here is a clue from his most recent post:</p>
<p><em>&#8220;As a trained persuader, I’m seeing a dangerous situation forming that <b>I assume is invisible to most of you.</b>&#8220;</em><br />
<a href="http://blog.dilbert.com/post/156540315831/be-careful-what-you-wish-for-especially-if-it-is" rel="nofollow ugc">http://blog.dilbert.com/post/156540315831/be-careful-what-you-wish-for-especially-if-it-is</a></p>
<p>You are faaaar smarter than what adams gives you credit for, but you are free to <em>&#8220;Agree 100% with Scott Adams&#8221;</em>.<br />
.</p>
<p>His branch of NLP is full of sh*t, for the most part, and gets way more credit than he deserves for sometimes having interesting points.  </p>
<p>He only gets airplay because it &#8220;aligns&#8221; with what people want to hear wrt trump, of course, assuming themselves not to be meat puppets.</p>
<p>His theoretical foundations may not be more than a step or two away from l ron hubbard&#8217;s dianetics, afaiknow.</p>
<p>Fox, rightly, doesn&#8217;t touch his nonsense.</p>
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		By: Artfsldgr		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2017 20:51:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What’s more, the country hadn’t yet lost its mind.

yeah. feminists had not changed the main things yet so that the rest would fall into place.. they had not gotten rid of the male teachers... nor had they changed the language so you cant talk... nor was the world afraid to speak, and to discuss, and to plan... but they changed law and forced themselves into places that didnt want them... the marraige strike and population collapse had not yet happened that importing people was so important to pay for barren oldsters. 

wait... a lot of things we denied are coming up
including the population collapse of a group who now the minorities want to get rid of: priveleged white feminists who make evil racist men

so no. we were crazy due to the left in terms of communism and protests of the war so communism would win... but we went deeper crazy with the ladies at the helm...

dont think so? 
try to criticize them publicly with your name open and see what happens... 

&lt;b&gt;&quot;To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.&quot;&lt;/b&gt;

and they are beyond any criticism... 
if women dont like it, they are not real
if men dont like it, they have penis, so dont count
and on and on and on

the craziness parallels their ascension and social destructiveness..  (work, race, everything is political, abortion, freebies, college freebies and on and on and on...  )

oh and if you dont think it crazy, then why does that feminist leader have a gold screw in her bald head? why do they think walking around in lingerie will stop rape? why is twerking a goodness?  is being a sex worker liberating?  how about loving fisting as a new norm?  how about 32 genders? (and you can read how the replacement of sex with gender in wording was the game that later would turn law on end when gender took full meaning)

wacko is what the ladies brought
the more we gave into them, the crazier it got 
and the worse the laws want

now the ladies are fighting for &lt;b&gt;equal pay&lt;/b&gt;

which they never explain and how its different from equal opportunity and all that? but in the soviet union, a person who was a clerk got the equal pay of a doctor... and so on. its point is so a soviet state could declare wages

note how these ladies screwed half their own children and future descendants!!!!!!!!!!!!!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What’s more, the country hadn’t yet lost its mind.</p>
<p>yeah. feminists had not changed the main things yet so that the rest would fall into place.. they had not gotten rid of the male teachers&#8230; nor had they changed the language so you cant talk&#8230; nor was the world afraid to speak, and to discuss, and to plan&#8230; but they changed law and forced themselves into places that didnt want them&#8230; the marraige strike and population collapse had not yet happened that importing people was so important to pay for barren oldsters. </p>
<p>wait&#8230; a lot of things we denied are coming up<br />
including the population collapse of a group who now the minorities want to get rid of: priveleged white feminists who make evil racist men</p>
<p>so no. we were crazy due to the left in terms of communism and protests of the war so communism would win&#8230; but we went deeper crazy with the ladies at the helm&#8230;</p>
<p>dont think so?<br />
try to criticize them publicly with your name open and see what happens&#8230; </p>
<p><b>&#8220;To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.&#8221;</b></p>
<p>and they are beyond any criticism&#8230;<br />
if women dont like it, they are not real<br />
if men dont like it, they have penis, so dont count<br />
and on and on and on</p>
<p>the craziness parallels their ascension and social destructiveness..  (work, race, everything is political, abortion, freebies, college freebies and on and on and on&#8230;  )</p>
<p>oh and if you dont think it crazy, then why does that feminist leader have a gold screw in her bald head? why do they think walking around in lingerie will stop rape? why is twerking a goodness?  is being a sex worker liberating?  how about loving fisting as a new norm?  how about 32 genders? (and you can read how the replacement of sex with gender in wording was the game that later would turn law on end when gender took full meaning)</p>
<p>wacko is what the ladies brought<br />
the more we gave into them, the crazier it got<br />
and the worse the laws want</p>
<p>now the ladies are fighting for <b>equal pay</b></p>
<p>which they never explain and how its different from equal opportunity and all that? but in the soviet union, a person who was a clerk got the equal pay of a doctor&#8230; and so on. its point is so a soviet state could declare wages</p>
<p>note how these ladies screwed half their own children and future descendants!!!!!!!!!!!!!</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2017 20:39:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Frog:

Well, what you say and what I say are not in disagreement.  I&#039;m merely separating it out into two different types of &quot;liking.&quot;  And I don&#039;t often use the term &quot;like&quot; for political approval.  

With Trump, I approve of (like) quite a few of the things he&#039;s done so far.  It&#039;s early in the game.

And for the most part I don&#039;t &quot;like&quot; him as a person.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frog:</p>
<p>Well, what you say and what I say are not in disagreement.  I&#8217;m merely separating it out into two different types of &#8220;liking.&#8221;  And I don&#8217;t often use the term &#8220;like&#8221; for political approval.  </p>
<p>With Trump, I approve of (like) quite a few of the things he&#8217;s done so far.  It&#8217;s early in the game.</p>
<p>And for the most part I don&#8217;t &#8220;like&#8221; him as a person.</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2017 20:37:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If the dems/communists/socialists/fabians/fascists/progressives didnt break the laws to get people in and into this bad situation, then they would not have suffered an EO that would never have been written... 

its like your kid gave a party while your on vacation, you come home early, and the argument is that they are having so much fun, and all that, and it would be such a shame to send them home... 

duh... they shouldnt have been there in the first place

and others as well, and those babies and the workers. 

i mean right now, starbucks said it will violate EEOC laws and hire muslim refugees... i guess the blacks get the shaft again even after dems left, they make em squeel

i guess starbucks thinks americans are as racist as the dems thought when they ginned up the civil war, the riots on nyc, and more... 

i all tapped out but would have bought put options given this one and the almist universal comments of no more starbucks.. 

then... i wonder what happens in the african communities when the people they voted for that bribed them with freebies, are now favoring people that displace them from summer jobs, permanent jobs promotions and more!!!!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the dems/communists/socialists/fabians/fascists/progressives didnt break the laws to get people in and into this bad situation, then they would not have suffered an EO that would never have been written&#8230; </p>
<p>its like your kid gave a party while your on vacation, you come home early, and the argument is that they are having so much fun, and all that, and it would be such a shame to send them home&#8230; </p>
<p>duh&#8230; they shouldnt have been there in the first place</p>
<p>and others as well, and those babies and the workers. </p>
<p>i mean right now, starbucks said it will violate EEOC laws and hire muslim refugees&#8230; i guess the blacks get the shaft again even after dems left, they make em squeel</p>
<p>i guess starbucks thinks americans are as racist as the dems thought when they ginned up the civil war, the riots on nyc, and more&#8230; </p>
<p>i all tapped out but would have bought put options given this one and the almist universal comments of no more starbucks.. </p>
<p>then&#8230; i wonder what happens in the african communities when the people they voted for that bribed them with freebies, are now favoring people that displace them from summer jobs, permanent jobs promotions and more!!!!</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Frog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2017 20:27:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Neo:
I like a political figure based on his actual policies.
Obama was a likable figure, but his policies and choice of minions were assuredly not.

I like Trump&#039;s decisions and choice of minions. that&#039;s what matters, not whether he exaggerated about losing &quot;hundreds&quot; of friends in the WTC or has been a womanizer like JFK or The Lion of the Senate, now deceased. He almost surely lost a bunch of friends in the global financial center&#039;s burn-up.
Politics is not physics. Politics is imprecise, with wide swings among both exaggerations and minimalizations.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neo:<br />
I like a political figure based on his actual policies.<br />
Obama was a likable figure, but his policies and choice of minions were assuredly not.</p>
<p>I like Trump&#8217;s decisions and choice of minions. that&#8217;s what matters, not whether he exaggerated about losing &#8220;hundreds&#8221; of friends in the WTC or has been a womanizer like JFK or The Lion of the Senate, now deceased. He almost surely lost a bunch of friends in the global financial center&#8217;s burn-up.<br />
Politics is not physics. Politics is imprecise, with wide swings among both exaggerations and minimalizations.</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2017 19:46:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yancey Ward:

Ah, but both things can be true.  In other words, he should have explained it better AND it wouldn&#039;t have really mattered to the MSM.

It would, however, have given their twisting of the story less fertile ground in the public in which to grow.  As I wrote in my post: 

&lt;blockquote&gt;What’s more, I am firmly convinced that if, say, a President Cruz had announced something similar (and I believe he would have), and if he’d done it with an exception for people in transit and had also exempted those with green cards, that the press would have managed to give him equally negative coverage. That’s no reason that Trump had to play into their hands...

You know what would have been a good idea? As this was announced, in addition to this long, complex, and rather legalistic press release, President Trump should have given a much shorter speech highlighting and explaining exactly what the order is and what it isn’t, and why it was being done so quickly. That way at least he would have made the press’s self-appointed job of obfuscation somewhat more difficult, although they would have probably been up to the task anyway.&lt;/blockquote&gt; ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yancey Ward:</p>
<p>Ah, but both things can be true.  In other words, he should have explained it better AND it wouldn&#8217;t have really mattered to the MSM.</p>
<p>It would, however, have given their twisting of the story less fertile ground in the public in which to grow.  As I wrote in my post: </p>
<blockquote><p>What’s more, I am firmly convinced that if, say, a President Cruz had announced something similar (and I believe he would have), and if he’d done it with an exception for people in transit and had also exempted those with green cards, that the press would have managed to give him equally negative coverage. That’s no reason that Trump had to play into their hands&#8230;</p>
<p>You know what would have been a good idea? As this was announced, in addition to this long, complex, and rather legalistic press release, President Trump should have given a much shorter speech highlighting and explaining exactly what the order is and what it isn’t, and why it was being done so quickly. That way at least he would have made the press’s self-appointed job of obfuscation somewhat more difficult, although they would have probably been up to the task anyway.</p></blockquote>
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