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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2017/01/29/more-on-trumps-executive-order-on-immigration/#comment-2169917</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ymarsakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2017 23:07:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Fortunately, humans are going to be destroyed by something other than Godzilla.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fortunately, humans are going to be destroyed by something other than Godzilla.</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2017/01/29/more-on-trumps-executive-order-on-immigration/#comment-2169456</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo-neocon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2017 20:55:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Artfldgr:

No, not &quot;so dumb.&quot;  If you actually follow the link to that LI post, it makes both options possible.  There is a summary there of the points, with analysis from a legal expert.  So if people feel uncertain of what it all signifies (not everyone is good at reading and understanding long legal documents) and want to get CLARITY on it (that&#039;s the phrase I used) they can go to a trusted legally knowledgeable source.  In addition, the LI post contains a link to the EO itself, quite early in the post. Therefore, if a person decides he or she wants to read the EO, that person doesn&#039;t have to search for it but can use the link at the LI post.  It&#039;s not an either/or thing; it helps to read both, actually, and both are available through that LI post.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Artfldgr:</p>
<p>No, not &#8220;so dumb.&#8221;  If you actually follow the link to that LI post, it makes both options possible.  There is a summary there of the points, with analysis from a legal expert.  So if people feel uncertain of what it all signifies (not everyone is good at reading and understanding long legal documents) and want to get CLARITY on it (that&#8217;s the phrase I used) they can go to a trusted legally knowledgeable source.  In addition, the LI post contains a link to the EO itself, quite early in the post. Therefore, if a person decides he or she wants to read the EO, that person doesn&#8217;t have to search for it but can use the link at the LI post.  It&#8217;s not an either/or thing; it helps to read both, actually, and both are available through that LI post.</p>
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		By: Artfsldgr		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2017/01/29/more-on-trumps-executive-order-on-immigration/#comment-2169452</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2017 20:40:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If you want to get some clarity on what Trump’s executive order on immigration actually said and what it didn’t say, read this post by William Jacobson at Legal Insurrection

why not read the actual EO? why play pick the person who will tell me something rather than picking yourself to know? 

so dumb... no wonder we are all in the crapper with information, we shop to find what we like says what we like the way we like, then wonder why we dont know the truth? sorry, but the truth is long, not short. the truth is not entertaining.. the truth is boring and makes you squirm and did i say its not entertaining?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you want to get some clarity on what Trump’s executive order on immigration actually said and what it didn’t say, read this post by William Jacobson at Legal Insurrection</p>
<p>why not read the actual EO? why play pick the person who will tell me something rather than picking yourself to know? </p>
<p>so dumb&#8230; no wonder we are all in the crapper with information, we shop to find what we like says what we like the way we like, then wonder why we dont know the truth? sorry, but the truth is long, not short. the truth is not entertaining.. the truth is boring and makes you squirm and did i say its not entertaining?</p>
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		By: parker		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2017/01/29/more-on-trumps-executive-order-on-immigration/#comment-2169238</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[parker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2017 05:53:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Big Maq,

With respect, I suggest you look up presidential authority on issues related to immigration and who is allowed to enter the USA. Many presidents have restricted entry for many decades. As the exalted messiah notes &quot;I won&quot;. Elections, whether you or I approve of the outcome or not, have consequences. I accepted the Barack Hussein Obama was my president, although I did not like it and criticized him repeatedly. as I did all presidents going back to 1972 when I was allowed to vote.

I promise I will criticize Trump. So ar I see little to cricitize beyond his style.  But even that does not negate the substance.  I am reluctant to admit, I have only minor objections. Yes, djt is a loose cannon, but compared to whar?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Big Maq,</p>
<p>With respect, I suggest you look up presidential authority on issues related to immigration and who is allowed to enter the USA. Many presidents have restricted entry for many decades. As the exalted messiah notes &#8220;I won&#8221;. Elections, whether you or I approve of the outcome or not, have consequences. I accepted the Barack Hussein Obama was my president, although I did not like it and criticized him repeatedly. as I did all presidents going back to 1972 when I was allowed to vote.</p>
<p>I promise I will criticize Trump. So ar I see little to cricitize beyond his style.  But even that does not negate the substance.  I am reluctant to admit, I have only minor objections. Yes, djt is a loose cannon, but compared to whar?</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2017/01/29/more-on-trumps-executive-order-on-immigration/#comment-2169201</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2017 02:42:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yancey Ward Says: 
January 29th, 2017 at 12:11 pm..

Like I have written many times, Trump is fortunate in his enemies who can be trusted to completely overreact in the most batshit insane manner.
* * *
Dilbert&#039;s puppet-master agrees with you.
http://blog.dilbert.com/post/156399716951/outrage-dilution
&quot;I’m having a fun time watching President Trump flood the news cycle with so many stories and outrages that no one can keep up. Here’s how the math of persuasion works in this situation:

1 outrage out of 3 headlines in a week: Bad Persuasion

25 outrages out of 25 headlines in a week: Excellent Persuasion

At the moment there are so many outrages, executive orders, protests, and controversies that none of them can get enough oxygen in our brains. I can’t obsess about problem X because the rest of the alphabet is coming at me at the same time. &quot;

http://blog.dilbert.com/post/156544714786/the-canadian-option

&quot;Canada also gives us a test case to compare to America’s plan. In five years we can check back and see how it turned out for them. If it worked, we can reassess. Until then we obviously need to wall-off Canada. But that’s another topic.

Now that I think about it, the Middle East has a lot of space too. Remind me again why Muslim countries are banning Muslim immigrants. Is it because they are Hitler?&quot;

http://blog.dilbert.com/post/156532225711/the-persuasion-filter-and-immigration

&quot;The Persuasion Filter says Trump is negotiating with his critics on the extreme right at the same time as he is negotiating with his critics on the left. He needed one “opening offer” that would set up both sides for the next level of persuasion. And he found it. You just saw it.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yancey Ward Says:<br />
January 29th, 2017 at 12:11 pm..</p>
<p>Like I have written many times, Trump is fortunate in his enemies who can be trusted to completely overreact in the most batshit insane manner.<br />
* * *<br />
Dilbert&#8217;s puppet-master agrees with you.<br />
<a href="http://blog.dilbert.com/post/156399716951/outrage-dilution" rel="nofollow ugc">http://blog.dilbert.com/post/156399716951/outrage-dilution</a><br />
&#8220;I’m having a fun time watching President Trump flood the news cycle with so many stories and outrages that no one can keep up. Here’s how the math of persuasion works in this situation:</p>
<p>1 outrage out of 3 headlines in a week: Bad Persuasion</p>
<p>25 outrages out of 25 headlines in a week: Excellent Persuasion</p>
<p>At the moment there are so many outrages, executive orders, protests, and controversies that none of them can get enough oxygen in our brains. I can’t obsess about problem X because the rest of the alphabet is coming at me at the same time. &#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://blog.dilbert.com/post/156544714786/the-canadian-option" rel="nofollow ugc">http://blog.dilbert.com/post/156544714786/the-canadian-option</a></p>
<p>&#8220;Canada also gives us a test case to compare to America’s plan. In five years we can check back and see how it turned out for them. If it worked, we can reassess. Until then we obviously need to wall-off Canada. But that’s another topic.</p>
<p>Now that I think about it, the Middle East has a lot of space too. Remind me again why Muslim countries are banning Muslim immigrants. Is it because they are Hitler?&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://blog.dilbert.com/post/156532225711/the-persuasion-filter-and-immigration" rel="nofollow ugc">http://blog.dilbert.com/post/156532225711/the-persuasion-filter-and-immigration</a></p>
<p>&#8220;The Persuasion Filter says Trump is negotiating with his critics on the extreme right at the same time as he is negotiating with his critics on the left. He needed one “opening offer” that would set up both sides for the next level of persuasion. And he found it. You just saw it.&#8221;</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2017/01/29/more-on-trumps-executive-order-on-immigration/#comment-2169200</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2017 02:39:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Pandora Says: 
January 29th, 2017 at 11:05 am
Iran may have jumped the boat on their reaction. How are they going to arrest Americans for “spying” and demand large ransoms if they ban them from entering their country?
* * *
If Iran objects to something Trump does, I take that as a sign he is doing something right.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pandora Says:<br />
January 29th, 2017 at 11:05 am<br />
Iran may have jumped the boat on their reaction. How are they going to arrest Americans for “spying” and demand large ransoms if they ban them from entering their country?<br />
* * *<br />
If Iran objects to something Trump does, I take that as a sign he is doing something right.</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2017/01/29/more-on-trumps-executive-order-on-immigration/#comment-2169166</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[huxley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jan 2017 23:26:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Big Maq: I speak up. neo speaks up. The folks at National Review speak up. No doubt others.

I can&#039;t tell how serious this immigration EO business is. It&#039;s not so good if the Trump admin bobbled the ball in the wording leaving some people in the lurch.

OTOH, to whatever extent it is broken, it seems like something which can be fixed without much trouble. 

And if explanations are needed, explanations can be given -- even easier.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Big Maq: I speak up. neo speaks up. The folks at National Review speak up. No doubt others.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t tell how serious this immigration EO business is. It&#8217;s not so good if the Trump admin bobbled the ball in the wording leaving some people in the lurch.</p>
<p>OTOH, to whatever extent it is broken, it seems like something which can be fixed without much trouble. </p>
<p>And if explanations are needed, explanations can be given &#8212; even easier.</p>
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		By: Big Maq		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Big Maq]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jan 2017 22:53:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@parker - A little too much like...

&lt;em&gt;&quot;on ne saurait faire d&#039;omelette sans casser des Å“ufs&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

Also, Godzilla had no regard for anyone but itself.
.

@huxley - authoritarianism is undesirable no matter how it comes about.

I suspect this isn&#039;t just a one off, and just about this particular &quot;emergency&quot;.  
.

@Neo - Yes, would have been good for trump to make the case. 

Reading the Priebus&#039; explanation comes across as retroactively justifying what was done.  Seen a lot of that with trump&#039;s campaign.

If it is or not, who knows?

For a man who ran on &quot;competence&quot; it is far from that ideal.
.

We seem to be getting in a mode of reflexively defending trump no matter what.

Will this just push us more into uncritical support for trump because we may agree, at some high level, with most of his policies?

If (when?) it goes awry, will anyone speak up?

We&#039;ll See.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@parker &#8211; A little too much like&#8230;</p>
<p><em>&#8220;on ne saurait faire d&#8217;omelette sans casser des Å“ufs&#8221;</em></p>
<p>Also, Godzilla had no regard for anyone but itself.<br />
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<p>@huxley &#8211; authoritarianism is undesirable no matter how it comes about.</p>
<p>I suspect this isn&#8217;t just a one off, and just about this particular &#8220;emergency&#8221;.<br />
.</p>
<p>@Neo &#8211; Yes, would have been good for trump to make the case. </p>
<p>Reading the Priebus&#8217; explanation comes across as retroactively justifying what was done.  Seen a lot of that with trump&#8217;s campaign.</p>
<p>If it is or not, who knows?</p>
<p>For a man who ran on &#8220;competence&#8221; it is far from that ideal.<br />
.</p>
<p>We seem to be getting in a mode of reflexively defending trump no matter what.</p>
<p>Will this just push us more into uncritical support for trump because we may agree, at some high level, with most of his policies?</p>
<p>If (when?) it goes awry, will anyone speak up?</p>
<p>We&#8217;ll See.</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jan 2017 21:48:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;trump may be behaving like a “war-time commander”, but that should give us pause rather than celebrate.&lt;/i&gt;

Big Maq: I can well imagine Trump abusing his power by being petty and sloppy, but somehow I don&#039;t imagine he will do it in a systematic authoritarian way.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>trump may be behaving like a “war-time commander”, but that should give us pause rather than celebrate.</i></p>
<p>Big Maq: I can well imagine Trump abusing his power by being petty and sloppy, but somehow I don&#8217;t imagine he will do it in a systematic authoritarian way.</p>
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		By: parker		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[parker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jan 2017 21:37:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sometimes it takes a Godzilla to get something done that needs to be done.  The execution was rushed, the roll out could have been more smooth, and the PR more polished. But Godzilla is as Godzilla does.  This should have been done way back in 1993.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sometimes it takes a Godzilla to get something done that needs to be done.  The execution was rushed, the roll out could have been more smooth, and the PR more polished. But Godzilla is as Godzilla does.  This should have been done way back in 1993.</p>
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