However, I suspect that they weren’t long-standing black domestics who were phased out of their positions when their white employers found it embarrassing to keep them on.

I haven’t researched it, but I’m guessing not many were retrained as computer programmers or event organizers.
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Go see the movie “Hidden Figures” — https://www.theguardian.com/film/2016/dec/11/black-women-mathematicians-nasa-john-glenn-space-race
And read “The Ditchdiggers daughters” and “Having My Say”.

There were certainly limited opportunities and stereotypes to overcome, but many people did; and today, you can find black men and women in every professional field imaginable.
The Left refuses to believe that they won the Civil Rights War because then some of the hate-mongering activists will be out of a job.

Big Maq: I see it happening on both sides. You seem to focus on some Americans who have reached the point they are against all immigrants.

However, pro-immigration advocates often pose their objections to those who oppose open borders and expect immigration laws to be enforced, as though they were xenophobes who oppose all immigration.

I get the whole idea that not coming here legally means it is illegal.

One point about sanctuary cities is how it gets applied – harboring those people who are criminals – state and local officials are choosing to specifically not honor federal law / requests to notify or turn them over. This is definitely a significant problem.

Another is that state and local officials are not actively taking every opportunity to pursue illegal immigrants (one could argue that this is even truer for the federal government, itself). This is hardly in the same category as harboring those apprehended for criminal activity, particularly in light of the 2012 Supreme Court decision wrt Arizona laws…
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/06/25/supreme-court-strikes-down-most-arizona-immigration-law-upholds-key-provision.html
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My point on IDs is only that it is a matter of state / local law.

I understand the point of people being here illegally shouldn’t be eligible. While I agree with that (insofar as the IDs are used for other things – see below), that is not my point – it is that the states (essentially, their voters) get to decide that.

They have chosen to do so, and it is within the laws of the country, afaiknow (not being an expert in the law surrounding this area – I suspect it is very grey, at best).

I don’t like it, as with all kinds of things in various states, but that is part and parcel of federalism.

What I do think is wrong is any extent they use those same IDs for validating voters for national offices (or other federal services / benefits), without some means of checking their citizenship status either when registering to vote, or having done so when issuing that ID.
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Who exactly conflates legal vs illegal immigration?

A good many folks I’ve come across. Maybe you have not and they’ve all been very clear to make the distinction.

For many who have very strong feelings wrt illegals, I find that carries over to all immigrants. It happens. Far too often. And, it becomes a suddenly hot conversation when you point it out to them.

It is easy to shake ones head affirmatively when people talk about illegals and agree with them, and just as easy to let them go further without challenging them when they veer off of just talking of the illegals. Human nature.
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Don’t know why I went off topic, but I guess it is keyed off of the earlier talk of sanctuary cities.

The Left’s revisionist history leaves out much. Such as the The NiÊ»ihau incident (or Battle of NiÊ»ihau) “occurred on December 7—13, 1941, when Imperial Japanese Navy Air Service pilot Shigenori Nishikaichi (西開地 重徳 Nishikaichi Shigenori) crash-landed his Zero on the Hawaiian island of NiÊ»ihau after participating in the attack on Pearl Harbor. He was killed in a struggle with people on the island.
The island’s Native Hawaiian residents were initially unaware of the attack, but apprehended Nishikaichi when the gravity of the situation became apparent. Nishikaichi then sought and received the assistance of the three locals of Japanese descent on the island in overcoming his captors, finding weapons, and taking several hostages.”

It is a near certainty that, some of those 50,000 would have acted as did those 3 Japanese Americans on Nihau.

It could have happened. If a few things had gone horribly wrong — if Hitler had gotten the bomb first, if the Japanese had won the Battle of Midway, if the Germans had overrun Great Britain, if Hitler hadn’t invaded the USSR or had won as quickly as he hoped etc., we might have ended up occupied by the Japanese on the west coast with the Germans taking the rest.

Winning WWII wasn’t a lock. We saw how fanatical, cruel and effective the Japanese had been. Did we really want to leave in place a potential fifth column of 50,000 Japanese nationals in our country as spies, saboteurs and terrorists, as we fought for our lives?

There were 50,000 Japanese living in America then whose allegiance was to the militaristic Japanese government which had sneak-attacked Pearl Harbor, killing 2403 Americans and sinking half of the American fleet.

Imagine you were an American leader making decisions to protect the country and win the war. Would you really want to bet that none of those 50,000 Japanese citizens living in the US wouldn’t commit acts of sabotage and terrorism?

I think it’s a tough call. I understand being opposed to the internment, but I reject the modern notion that it was a morally hideous act which all decent people must necessarily reject.

What’s that have to do with anything happening today? No one in the administration is proposing internment camps – and never have.

Enough with the fear mongering.

The worst that can be said about this EO is that there are a few small glitches and it was not announced in advance. But so what if a small number of green card holders have to suffer some inconvenience for a short time while this EO gets implemented? Maybe if we had a Secretary of State confirmed it could have rolled out a bit more smoothly, but we don’t, so it wasn’t.

Let see if this matter never been happen in US before, while in war with enemy

“0,000 American Refugees Made in U.S.A.

This did not occur in a foreign country, under tyrannical dictatorship. It happened in America, under the flag which stands for “liberty and justice for all.”
http://content.cdlib.org/view?docId=hb1h4nb08h&&doc.view=entire_text