Comments on: The myth of the myth of the illegal voter https://thenewneo.com/2017/01/26/the-myth-of-the-myth-of-the-illegal-voter/ A blog about political change, among other things Fri, 27 Jan 2017 23:48:51 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=7.0 By: blert https://thenewneo.com/2017/01/26/the-myth-of-the-myth-of-the-illegal-voter/#comment-2168426 Fri, 27 Jan 2017 23:48:51 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/?p=66247#comment-2168426 Tom G Says:
January 27th, 2017 at 4:24 am

The geologic record indicates that the Sun is not flat-line stable, that it goes through its own cycles of emission — that are millennia long.

Consequently, the noise exceeds the signal. Nothing in recorded human history is solid enough to extrapolate from.

1) Accurate figures have too short a baseline, 50-years, tops.

2) Prior stats are w-a-a-a-y too sloppy.

And even the accurate figures are ‘sloppy.’

&&&&&

Global warming has, in fact, occurred — going back 20,000 years.

Since it began, the word population has exploded.

So, yes, warming is a real problem… for non-humans.

]]> By: M Williams https://thenewneo.com/2017/01/26/the-myth-of-the-myth-of-the-illegal-voter/#comment-2168285 Fri, 27 Jan 2017 16:20:36 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/?p=66247#comment-2168285 The citizen vs non-citizen issue was, IMO, one of the major reasons Trump got elected.

What’s done is done. But I’m counting on simple, clear and tight voter registration laws to be implemented.

All the excuses of why many don’t want this are political BS, and I’m hoping Trump cuts right through it.

]]> By: Otiose https://thenewneo.com/2017/01/26/the-myth-of-the-myth-of-the-illegal-voter/#comment-2168262 Fri, 27 Jan 2017 15:28:50 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/?p=66247#comment-2168262 Here are the highlights of a study a few years ago:

– First use of representative sample to measure non-citizen voting in USA.
– Some non-citizens cast votes in U.S. elections despite legal bans.
– Non-citizens favor Democratic candidates over Republican candidates.
– Non-citizen voting likely changed 2008 outcomes including Electoral College votes and the composition of Congress.
– Voter photo-identification rules have limited effect on non-citizen participation.

And a quote from the abstract:

“We find that some non-citizens participate in U.S. elections, and that this participation has been large enough to change meaningful election outcomes including Electoral College votes, and Congressional elections. Non-citizen votes likely gave Senate Democrats the pivotal 60th vote needed to overcome filibusters in order to pass health care reform and other Obama administration priorities in the 111th Congress.”
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0261379414000973

John fund had a recent column in the WSJ (11/30/16) citing several studies indicating that many non citizens (legally here and illegally) vote. One study concluded 13% and another about 15.5%. If we ignore the legal non citizens and just estimate illegals voting and there are 11 million here then the number of illegal votes cast was between 1.4 and 1.7 million. If there are more illegals here, say 30 million as a Goldman analysis concluded then the numbers are much higher – between 3.9 and 4.7 million.

Those kinds of numbers are significant enough to merit the new DOJ investigating ways to ensure only citizens vote.

And more importantly in the media war against Trump, these numbers make his claim sound not only reasonable but likely true that all of the difference in the national vote might be due to people voting who were not legally entitled to vote (legal and illegal non citizens).

]]> By: Gringo https://thenewneo.com/2017/01/26/the-myth-of-the-myth-of-the-illegal-voter/#comment-2168249 Fri, 27 Jan 2017 14:21:19 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/?p=66247#comment-2168249 Judicial Watch paper on voter fraud:

https://structurecms-staging-psyclone.netdna-ssl.com/client_assets/jwemail/media/attachments/57d0/5b17/6970/2d5f/6a4b/0f00/57d05b1769702d5f6a4b0f00.pdf?1473272599

]]> By: Tom G https://thenewneo.com/2017/01/26/the-myth-of-the-myth-of-the-illegal-voter/#comment-2168195 Fri, 27 Jan 2017 09:24:09 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/?p=66247#comment-2168195 “voter fraud” and voting irregularities, including fraud and incompetence, are real.

Any article that talks about this without noting how many Michigan recount problems there were is being biased about the reality of the problem.

Most Dem media avoid noting the recount failures in Michigan.

Trump exaggerates. The Dem media like to call any exaggeration a “lie”, but without accurate proof, it’s not exactly a lie. (Only Trump & Rep exaggerations are treated this way, Dem lies are excused as exaggerations or ‘metaphors’).

If the unknown truth turns out to be, after the investigation, between 200,000 and 600,000, would that make Trump a “liar”? No, it would mean his prediction model is inaccurate, and way off biased.

Same as UN global warming models whose 2001 predictions are now, provably, below their lower bounds of changes (altho slow warming is occuring; about half as fast as the lowest bounds of the alarmist models).

]]> By: AesopFan https://thenewneo.com/2017/01/26/the-myth-of-the-myth-of-the-illegal-voter/#comment-2168155 Fri, 27 Jan 2017 05:46:26 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/?p=66247#comment-2168155 Frog Says:
January 26th, 2017 at 7:26 pm… And as getting away with small crimes leads criminals to pursue greater crimes, letting Dems get away with modest fraud leads to greater fraud. Without doubt.
* * *
Amen to that. (Applies to GOP and everyone else as well, but specifically to the Dems politically.)
We have seen it prior to Obama, but it accelerated to rocket speed in the last 8 years.

]]> By: Gringo https://thenewneo.com/2017/01/26/the-myth-of-the-myth-of-the-illegal-voter/#comment-2168154 Fri, 27 Jan 2017 05:45:37 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/?p=66247#comment-2168154 Illegal aliens can get drivers’ licenses in California. You can also register via the DMV in California. That seems a loophole to me, but according to Snopes, it is not a loophole. Not that Snopes has earned a reputation for objective truth-finding lately.

Jesse Richman and David Earnest have published on noncitizen voting.

The WaPo discusses it w many links.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2014/10/24/could-non-citizens-decide-the-november-election/?utm_term=.b55126437c0b

Here is the paper: Do Noncitizens Vote in U.S. Elections?
http://www.judicialwatch.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Do-Non-Citizens-Vote-in-US-Elections-Richman-et-al.pdf

]]> By: AesopFan https://thenewneo.com/2017/01/26/the-myth-of-the-myth-of-the-illegal-voter/#comment-2168153 Fri, 27 Jan 2017 05:44:20 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/?p=66247#comment-2168153 But “a Democratic aide familiar with the exchange who spoke on condition of anonymity” seems a bit shaky for a source. -neo

That seems like the understatement of the year.
“familiar with the exchange” means “I wasn’t there” so this is third-hand hear-say at best.
“conditions of anonymity” means “so no on can challenge my version” — with alternative facts, perhaps?

However, regardless of the actual number of fraudulent votes Trump may have claimed, there almost certainly were some, per the comments above.

]]> By: blert https://thenewneo.com/2017/01/26/the-myth-of-the-myth-of-the-illegal-voter/#comment-2168132 Fri, 27 Jan 2017 04:54:50 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/?p=66247#comment-2168132 You have two differing modes of fraud: retail voter fraud — and wholesale tabulation fraud — by Democrat machine operatives.

One can be assured that wherever an urban Democrat machine exists, wholesale tabulation fraud is an art form.

New Hampshire’s primary is a joke — because so many GOP voters are die-hard Boston Democrats with dual residencies.

]]> By: Mark30339 https://thenewneo.com/2017/01/26/the-myth-of-the-myth-of-the-illegal-voter/#comment-2168129 Fri, 27 Jan 2017 04:53:04 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/?p=66247#comment-2168129 Cornhead at 3:06.
.
Spot on. This unusual President will be bold, brash and unconcerned with courtesy. Other GOP pols over-try to appear pleasant and likeable – out of fear for how they may be reviewed in the dominant press. That fear makes them weaker, feeble, and hard to believe in. Trump defies the conventional narrative on having fewer votes nationwide and creates a controversy that he can’t prove and yet at the same time, he wins completely. The Left looks bad in this ongoing refusal to accept the results as legitimate, and will make it far worse as they claim that 1) every vote was by a lawful voter, and 2) a fairer election would be one that kept the voters in the dark on the many deceits lurking in the hacked email accounts.

]]>