Bill Clinton banged his intern, lied about it, and as a result was impeached and disbarred.

These are two alternative sets of facts. Their relevance depends on the argument one is making. People marshal different sets of facts to support their arguments all the time. It is the entire basis of the legal profession. That Conway is able to speak about her argument in this way demonstrates (at the very least) a basic understanding of rhetoric that her detractors obviously (or conveniently) lack.
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Good point.
She should still have said something like “additional” rather than “alternative” but nobody’s perfect.

I had assumed Whedon was a closeted libertarian taking a quietly contrary stand with “Firefly” and “Serenity”, but apparently not.
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There are a lot of those looks-like-libertarian
progressives in the movie biz. I still don’t know if they are clueless about the meaning of their works to the general public, or cynically milking the rubes.

It’s only been in the last three elections that I have realized how far some people’s personal politics diverge from their platinum-screen presentations.

Trump and his acolytes quite often speak rather loosely. MSM pick that up and ignores benign characterizations and go with the worst king. Case in point “alternative facts” ha ha ha double speak, she meant lies.

If your only point was to say he made an error…

Not “an error”. He made at least 3. And those 3 hit the high-bar of being demonstratively false.

use the word “error.”

Error usually means unintentional. Lies, intentional. I wasn’t addressing that issue, so I went with false/falsehood.

The only logical way your remarks make sense is if you meant “falsehood.” If you meant “error,” I don’t even get why you bothered to say it.

You’re comparing Spicer’s statements to “alternative facts” that are “presented all the time, particularly in cases in which certainty is impossible.” But such facts are presumably accurate, even if they do not make a compelling case.

Spicer in contrast made straight-up false assertions. AFAK he’s only retracted one of them. His conclusion
(largest audience both in person and around the globe) is demonstratively false if taken together. If combined, it’s still likely false.

Yet he has the nerve to describe it as a certainty, while accusing the Media of lying. Imagine if the guy who spread the MLK-bust falsehood didn’t retract it, said that it still could be true, and called the Trump admin liars. That’s pretty much where Spicer / Trump are on this issue.

Just ask them, they were quite proud of the results during the Obama years. The upshot is the numbers can be easily had from a credible source. Why have they not offered the info?

Not sure to agree or disagree.

Don’t know how one measures all this, but there was a courseness / indecency that existed long before the 60s.

The difference, may be that folks don’t feel the need to contain themselves.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2017/01/22/luntz_i_was_called_a_fascist_glitter_thrown_in_my_face_i_never_thought_this_would_happen_in_this_country.html

What is reaped is what we find acceptable.

If we acquiesce to it, don’t hold accountable our side, then it is not the left’s fault.

It is our choice.
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This is an escalation of some form of tit for tat, getting even, in many folks’ mind, it seems.

That not a winning strategy, as it loses focus on the real goals, and it devolves into a losing cycle of revenge.

I really don’t want to see any good things trump may accomplish get overshadowed by all this, and a resulting future backlash reversing all that good.

I will continue to expect better and hold accountable “our” side, in particular, while still aiming for the same for all sides.

The details are amazing.

But that’s what it usually means, and that’s what we’re talking about.

If your only point was to say he made an error, use the word “error.” And that point would agree with just about everyone else here, so why make it at all?

The only logical way your remarks make sense is if you meant “falsehood.” If you meant “error,” I don’t even get why you bothered to say it.