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		By: Big Maq		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Nick - I think you will like this analysis - the conclusion from another series (by Sean Trende &#038; David Byler of RCP):

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2017/01/20/how_trump_won_--_conclusions_132846.html

Key Points:

&lt;em&gt;&quot;Clinton’s loss is, in many ways, the result of a process that unfolded over the course of multiple decades...

... a progression of candidates that are increasingly urban and urbane.  This played well in the mega-cities and enabled Democrats to win large cities.  But it probably hurt them everywhere else.

... This hurts the Democrats’ chances in the Electoral College, and kills them in the House and Senate.

... why Republicans were able to win the Electoral College while losing the popular vote twice in the past five elections, and why they were able to win a healthy House majority while (narrowly) losing the popular vote in 2012

... the place where the Democratic coalition is growing the most does them the least good, electorally speaking. ... But if it causes problems in the Electoral College, it wreaks havoc in the Senate, House, and state legislatures

... Democrats were once able to win rural areas, and send large numbers of members of Congress from these places.  That was in part because they focused their message on these areas, and tolerated culturally conservative Democrats

... You cannot ... understand Donald Trump’s nomination without also understanding the influx of Jacksonian Democrats into the Republican Party.

... But for much of the Obama administration, these members were forced to take a series of tough votes that rendered the Blue Dog Democrat a near-extinct species.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;
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There is a great chart called &quot;Voting Trends in each CBSA Division - United States&quot;, which shows each presidential election since 1988, and what percent vote the dems received, dramatically showing how dems have skewed urban.

Class probably explains a big part of that skew.
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My main critique of the analysis is that something similar needs to be done for the GOP, as it is not purely the GOP&#039;s gain at dems&#039; loss.  

BOTH sides had very low turnout, and that is a testament to the &quot;health&quot; of both parties.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Nick &#8211; I think you will like this analysis &#8211; the conclusion from another series (by Sean Trende &amp; David Byler of RCP):</p>
<p><a href="http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2017/01/20/how_trump_won_--_conclusions_132846.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2017/01/20/how_trump_won_&#8211;_conclusions_132846.html</a></p>
<p>Key Points:</p>
<p><em>&#8220;Clinton’s loss is, in many ways, the result of a process that unfolded over the course of multiple decades&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230; a progression of candidates that are increasingly urban and urbane.  This played well in the mega-cities and enabled Democrats to win large cities.  But it probably hurt them everywhere else.</p>
<p>&#8230; This hurts the Democrats’ chances in the Electoral College, and kills them in the House and Senate.</p>
<p>&#8230; why Republicans were able to win the Electoral College while losing the popular vote twice in the past five elections, and why they were able to win a healthy House majority while (narrowly) losing the popular vote in 2012</p>
<p>&#8230; the place where the Democratic coalition is growing the most does them the least good, electorally speaking. &#8230; But if it causes problems in the Electoral College, it wreaks havoc in the Senate, House, and state legislatures</p>
<p>&#8230; Democrats were once able to win rural areas, and send large numbers of members of Congress from these places.  That was in part because they focused their message on these areas, and tolerated culturally conservative Democrats</p>
<p>&#8230; You cannot &#8230; understand Donald Trump’s nomination without also understanding the influx of Jacksonian Democrats into the Republican Party.</p>
<p>&#8230; But for much of the Obama administration, these members were forced to take a series of tough votes that rendered the Blue Dog Democrat a near-extinct species.&#8221;</em><br />
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<p>There is a great chart called &#8220;Voting Trends in each CBSA Division &#8211; United States&#8221;, which shows each presidential election since 1988, and what percent vote the dems received, dramatically showing how dems have skewed urban.</p>
<p>Class probably explains a big part of that skew.<br />
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<p>My main critique of the analysis is that something similar needs to be done for the GOP, as it is not purely the GOP&#8217;s gain at dems&#8217; loss.  </p>
<p>BOTH sides had very low turnout, and that is a testament to the &#8220;health&#8221; of both parties.</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] and how they are being bullied and black listed to stop. Her blog is always worth a read. http://neoneocon.com/2017/01/14/the-war-against-the-trump-inauguration-goes-on/#comment-2165031 [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] and how they are being bullied and black listed to stop. Her blog is always worth a read. <a href="http://neoneocon.com/2017/01/14/the-war-against-the-trump-inauguration-goes-on/#comment-2165031" rel="nofollow ugc">http://neoneocon.com/2017/01/14/the-war-against-the-trump-inauguration-goes-on/#comment-2165031</a> [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Nick		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jan 2017 22:36:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Big Maq - Yeah, maybe if they run a Bernie or Warren next time, then class warfare will be moved to the front burner again.

It&#039;s like they screwed up their timing in the last 8 years.  They were planning on running on race for 2008-2016, then switching to sex.  But the health care / contraception thing made it big in 2012 and exhausted itself.  Then BLM grabbed the headlines, and the blacks decided that they didn&#039;t want to play nice give up the Victim of the Week status.  Trump&#039;s criticism of Muslims and Hispanics kept race as the big topic.  Washington and New York were running around asking why their scripts were saying &quot;race&quot; when they expected them to say &quot;sex&quot;.  After all, it was Hillary&#039;s turn.  How does &quot;race&quot; help her?  And Trump wasn&#039;t engaging in ant-black racism - even more confusing, he was talking about stricter immigration, which black people aren&#039;t necessarily going to complain about.

That left the Democrats and the mainstream media trying to sell Hillary as the Great Black Hope, and it sounded ridiculous.  The two whitest people in America ran against each other, and it was about race?  They were so relieved when Megyn Kelly and Billy Bush opened the door for them to talk about sexual discrimination.  Even Hillary Clinton had enough political instinct to realize that the biggest sexual topic of the election, drag queens in women&#039;s bathrooms, wouldn&#039;t sell.

Sorry.  I got long-winded there.  Maybe the Dems willl go back to making everything about class in 2020.  We&#039;ll see how they approach 2018.  I&#039;ve got a feeling that they rode the tiger too long with racism, though, and short of Cory Booker getting the nomination, they&#039;ll never get the kind of turnout they saw in 2008 and 2012.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Big Maq &#8211; Yeah, maybe if they run a Bernie or Warren next time, then class warfare will be moved to the front burner again.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s like they screwed up their timing in the last 8 years.  They were planning on running on race for 2008-2016, then switching to sex.  But the health care / contraception thing made it big in 2012 and exhausted itself.  Then BLM grabbed the headlines, and the blacks decided that they didn&#8217;t want to play nice give up the Victim of the Week status.  Trump&#8217;s criticism of Muslims and Hispanics kept race as the big topic.  Washington and New York were running around asking why their scripts were saying &#8220;race&#8221; when they expected them to say &#8220;sex&#8221;.  After all, it was Hillary&#8217;s turn.  How does &#8220;race&#8221; help her?  And Trump wasn&#8217;t engaging in ant-black racism &#8211; even more confusing, he was talking about stricter immigration, which black people aren&#8217;t necessarily going to complain about.</p>
<p>That left the Democrats and the mainstream media trying to sell Hillary as the Great Black Hope, and it sounded ridiculous.  The two whitest people in America ran against each other, and it was about race?  They were so relieved when Megyn Kelly and Billy Bush opened the door for them to talk about sexual discrimination.  Even Hillary Clinton had enough political instinct to realize that the biggest sexual topic of the election, drag queens in women&#8217;s bathrooms, wouldn&#8217;t sell.</p>
<p>Sorry.  I got long-winded there.  Maybe the Dems willl go back to making everything about class in 2020.  We&#8217;ll see how they approach 2018.  I&#8217;ve got a feeling that they rode the tiger too long with racism, though, and short of Cory Booker getting the nomination, they&#8217;ll never get the kind of turnout they saw in 2008 and 2012.</p>
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		By: Big Maq		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jan 2017 17:12:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Nick - 

&lt;em&gt;&quot;But Trump saw, or stumbled into taking advantage of, an opening spotted by only a few political analysts ...

That opening was the fact that &lt;b&gt;Democrats were taking for granted their above-national-average support from non-college-educated outstate voters&lt;/b&gt; in their determination to build a new, “ascendant” majority of blacks, Hispanics, single women, and Millennials. They figured that outstate Obama voters were locked into the Democratic party and didn’t need any special attention. Turns out they weren’t and they did.&quot;&lt;/em&gt; - Michael Barone
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/442651/how-trump-won-democrats-created-midwestern-opening-white-voters

I think Barone overstates the case by saying &lt;em&gt;&quot;the familiar partisan lines of the past 20 years have been redrawn&quot;&lt;/em&gt;, as it was really who lost the most expected voters this election.  

In 2020, if percentage of eligible voters is up for the dems, will the gop who didn&#039;t vote in 2016 return home, to compensate?  And, will the dems who voted for trump be happy and stay, or return home in 2020?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Nick &#8211; </p>
<p><em>&#8220;But Trump saw, or stumbled into taking advantage of, an opening spotted by only a few political analysts &#8230;</p>
<p>That opening was the fact that <b>Democrats were taking for granted their above-national-average support from non-college-educated outstate voters</b> in their determination to build a new, “ascendant” majority of blacks, Hispanics, single women, and Millennials. They figured that outstate Obama voters were locked into the Democratic party and didn’t need any special attention. Turns out they weren’t and they did.&#8221;</em> &#8211; Michael Barone<br />
<a href="http://www.nationalreview.com/article/442651/how-trump-won-democrats-created-midwestern-opening-white-voters" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.nationalreview.com/article/442651/how-trump-won-democrats-created-midwestern-opening-white-voters</a></p>
<p>I think Barone overstates the case by saying <em>&#8220;the familiar partisan lines of the past 20 years have been redrawn&#8221;</em>, as it was really who lost the most expected voters this election.  </p>
<p>In 2020, if percentage of eligible voters is up for the dems, will the gop who didn&#8217;t vote in 2016 return home, to compensate?  And, will the dems who voted for trump be happy and stay, or return home in 2020?</p>
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		By: Big Maq		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jan 2017 16:58:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;&quot; Not everyone can keep being a profile in courage against the mob.&quot;&lt;/em&gt; - Neo

Seems we are now living between two mobs.  Anyone sticking their neck out one way or the other will receive loads of &quot;hate&quot; from one or the other.

During this election cycle, wonder what percentage of the spam comments on this blog were from left vs right mobs.
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&lt;em&gt;&quot;Also interesting, and hardly discussed, is that the Dems have given up on class.&quot;&lt;/em&gt; - Nick

Astute point.

obama probably didn&#039;t need to, and clinton probably had no credibility (with the outsized speaking fees she/bill got, etc).

Cost the dems the rust belt, and likely the source of their mid-term loses in Congress.

A GOP candidate should have walked away with this.  trump didn&#039;t.

As a percentage of eligible voters, clinton shed more voters than trump did with the gop (trump received a lower percentage than McCain did in 2008, despite some those dem rust belt voters going to trump).

Dan McLaughlin has a detailed series to explain... here is his 3rd of 4 articles on the topic...
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/443801/real-reason-trump-won-democratic-turnout-decline]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>&#8221; Not everyone can keep being a profile in courage against the mob.&#8221;</em> &#8211; Neo</p>
<p>Seems we are now living between two mobs.  Anyone sticking their neck out one way or the other will receive loads of &#8220;hate&#8221; from one or the other.</p>
<p>During this election cycle, wonder what percentage of the spam comments on this blog were from left vs right mobs.<br />
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<p><em>&#8220;Also interesting, and hardly discussed, is that the Dems have given up on class.&#8221;</em> &#8211; Nick</p>
<p>Astute point.</p>
<p>obama probably didn&#8217;t need to, and clinton probably had no credibility (with the outsized speaking fees she/bill got, etc).</p>
<p>Cost the dems the rust belt, and likely the source of their mid-term loses in Congress.</p>
<p>A GOP candidate should have walked away with this.  trump didn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>As a percentage of eligible voters, clinton shed more voters than trump did with the gop (trump received a lower percentage than McCain did in 2008, despite some those dem rust belt voters going to trump).</p>
<p>Dan McLaughlin has a detailed series to explain&#8230; here is his 3rd of 4 articles on the topic&#8230;<br />
<a href="http://www.nationalreview.com/article/443801/real-reason-trump-won-democratic-turnout-decline" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.nationalreview.com/article/443801/real-reason-trump-won-democratic-turnout-decline</a></p>
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		By: Juli		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Juli]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jan 2017 15:03:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[When did the practice of celebrities playing at inaugurations really start?]]></description>
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		By: Nick		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jan 2017 14:58:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The left is reacting more intensely than ever.  And Trump is way outside the norm.  But he&#039;s not outside their norm, which is the really interesting thing.  He&#039;s a rude dimwitted liberal crony insider.

I sometimes think that he was elected primarily for the Supreme Court, and the left realizes it.  Then again, it&#039;s hard to see any sense of proportion in their reactions as a rule.  Maybe they&#039;ve been seeing race and sex everywhere for so long that they believe that anyone who doesn&#039;t say exactly what they say is a villain.  Trump is not a racist, although he&#039;ll probably govern as one.  Trump isn&#039;t a sexist, he&#039;s a misogynist dog.  There&#039;s a difference.  

Also interesting, and hardly discussed, is that the Dems have given up on class.  It&#039;s all race and sex for them.  They not only failed to tag Trump as a rich person, they didn&#039;t even really try.  Their nastiest accusations about him were that he&#039;s not really rich, and an unsuccessful businessman.  Granted, they were being tactical, but still, it&#039;s like they really dropped Marx for Marcuse.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The left is reacting more intensely than ever.  And Trump is way outside the norm.  But he&#8217;s not outside their norm, which is the really interesting thing.  He&#8217;s a rude dimwitted liberal crony insider.</p>
<p>I sometimes think that he was elected primarily for the Supreme Court, and the left realizes it.  Then again, it&#8217;s hard to see any sense of proportion in their reactions as a rule.  Maybe they&#8217;ve been seeing race and sex everywhere for so long that they believe that anyone who doesn&#8217;t say exactly what they say is a villain.  Trump is not a racist, although he&#8217;ll probably govern as one.  Trump isn&#8217;t a sexist, he&#8217;s a misogynist dog.  There&#8217;s a difference.  </p>
<p>Also interesting, and hardly discussed, is that the Dems have given up on class.  It&#8217;s all race and sex for them.  They not only failed to tag Trump as a rich person, they didn&#8217;t even really try.  Their nastiest accusations about him were that he&#8217;s not really rich, and an unsuccessful businessman.  Granted, they were being tactical, but still, it&#8217;s like they really dropped Marx for Marcuse.</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jan 2017 14:49:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There will be plenty of fine entertainers that will ignore those that use the &quot;bull whip&quot; of the master to get what they want, and perform. 

Let the weaklings, the cowards and those who put politics over country leave and be happy for it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There will be plenty of fine entertainers that will ignore those that use the &#8220;bull whip&#8221; of the master to get what they want, and perform. </p>
<p>Let the weaklings, the cowards and those who put politics over country leave and be happy for it.</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Juli]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jan 2017 04:02:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I hope the outrageous comments and actions of the left make the LIV / middle sit up and take notice.  These people are both buts and SCARY.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope the outrageous comments and actions of the left make the LIV / middle sit up and take notice.  These people are both buts and SCARY.</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[Well, we won&#039;t find out what Trump will actually rise to, until it actually happens.

Abraham Lincoln had to fight a war. Trump will probably only need to demonstrate his willingness to let the feds open fire on the angry mobs a few times and ignore the pearl-clutching hysteria of the media until they implode.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, we won&#8217;t find out what Trump will actually rise to, until it actually happens.</p>
<p>Abraham Lincoln had to fight a war. Trump will probably only need to demonstrate his willingness to let the feds open fire on the angry mobs a few times and ignore the pearl-clutching hysteria of the media until they implode.</p>
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