Comments on: The Times walks the tightrope https://thenewneo.com/2017/01/12/the-times-walks-the-tightrope/ A blog about political change, among other things Sat, 14 Jan 2017 15:03:01 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=7.1.3 By: Sergey https://thenewneo.com/2017/01/12/the-times-walks-the-tightrope/#comment-2164475 Sat, 14 Jan 2017 15:03:01 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/?p=65881#comment-2164475 What liberals do not want to accept is that their main problem is not Trump, but unpopularity of their own policies. And not only in USA, the same trend is clear in Europe, too. Present liberal orthodoxy is losing appeal everywhere. We may be at a turning point where all liberal humanist utopia beginning from French Enlightenment would be reexamined and eventually rejected as a failed project.

]]> By: The Other Chuck https://thenewneo.com/2017/01/12/the-times-walks-the-tightrope/#comment-2164393 Sat, 14 Jan 2017 05:47:18 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/?p=65881#comment-2164393 Yet, Trump’s business dealings are shouted about as being proof of his treason, while Ted Kennedy’s actual treason was buried and ignored and is still being ignored. Witness your response.

No one here is accusing Trump of treason whether he had or now has business dealings with Russian oligarchs. What I pointed out and documented was the disconnect between a bold statement he made denying any dealings whatsoever, and his son’s statements to the contrary. He made a big deal back in 2014 about knowing and meeting with Putin, yet now disavows ever meeting with him or knowing him. Which is it?

As to Ted Kennedy, his feeble attempt to sabotage an election pales in comparison to his felony manslaughter of Mary Joe Kopechne and the payoff it necessitated.

As Neo says above, Trump is a big boy and fully capable of defending himself. I actually hope he gets his act together, and will support him to the extent that he carries out conservative policies, appoints good judges, and defends the interests of this country and our allies.

]]> By: CW https://thenewneo.com/2017/01/12/the-times-walks-the-tightrope/#comment-2164249 Fri, 13 Jan 2017 18:41:04 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/?p=65881#comment-2164249 Traditional Republicans don’t fight back the way Trump does. The leftwing media can’t rely on it’s old tricks and they’ve damaged their credibility too much to go back to doing their jobs the way they were supposed to.

I don’t think Trump will have the upper hand forever, though. Just wait until there’s a sour spot in the economy or the stock market, which there will be. Financial fears have a way of erasing political good will. Trump should play his cards carefully.

]]> By: OM https://thenewneo.com/2017/01/12/the-times-walks-the-tightrope/#comment-2164245 Fri, 13 Jan 2017 18:24:55 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/?p=65881#comment-2164245 Ike:

Sorry but Hannity, Buzzfeed, Breitbart, Madcow are all part of the world and all distort, manipulate, and deceive.

You cite the Swimmers actions to undermine President Reagan as opposite to allegations regarding Trump and the Russians. As if you know what has happened with Trump. Must be from your own special, super secret sources of objective truthiness.

Calling those who disagree with you to be on the road to insanity make me wonder about your mental state? They may be but then again so may you. How does that sound to you?

]]> By: Ike https://thenewneo.com/2017/01/12/the-times-walks-the-tightrope/#comment-2164232 Fri, 13 Jan 2017 17:32:27 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/?p=65881#comment-2164232 @Big Maq: There is no equivalence between the buzzfeed and cnn handling of the patently false documentation about Trump and the written records of the KGB and other Soviet-era agencies recounting Ted Kennedy’s contacts with the Soviets seeking their help in defeating Regan in the election. The first is a fantasy, the second is demonstrable true. That there is no objective truth, whether we are able to perceive or understand it entirely or not, is simply foolishness in a tuxedo. There isn’t enough room here to debate that last with you. Either you believe there is a world which exists apart from you and your perception and/or understanding of it, or you do not. The second belief is the road to lunacy.

]]> By: Big Maq https://thenewneo.com/2017/01/12/the-times-walks-the-tightrope/#comment-2164210 Fri, 13 Jan 2017 16:21:03 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/?p=65881#comment-2164210 @Ike – right – brietbart vs buzzfeed – hannity vs maddow –
which is the better standard bearer for the truth?

In a red vs blue team world, each side can easily point to uncountable examples of how the others’ news sources are unfair / biased / hypocritical / etc..

It becomes a perpetual circle where one finds the same type of behavior on their own “side” as invisible / ignorable / acceptable / even, encouraged, while that on the other is outrageous.
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This election cycle should have made this all more clear than ever, as “old”, long held, norms and philosophies were quickly given up and replaced by a great many.

It prompted commenter Bill to say, back in November after the election, that we are in a “post-truth culture” era now.

It seems a better fit to say “we are in a self selection society / culture”, as we are in a red vs blue world, where we define our own truth.
http://neoneocon.com/2016/11/17/so-who-do-you-think-will-be-the-next-secretary-of-state/#comment-1931212
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We are far from Neo’s ideal (one that I share)…

“What philosophical thesis do you think it most important to combat?
> The idea that, because total and complete truth can’t be known on this earth, all truth is therefore relative and all truths personal and equal. “
http://normblog.typepad.com/normblog/2005/03/the_normblog_pr_3.html

This election has shown we’ve slid further into this abyss than we even dared imagine we were at.

The enemy, our real foe, may well be ourselves in what we are able to countenance and ignore.
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Yes, wait and see.

If the GOP do not get much of their conservative agenda into law in this year, we may not ever get there in our life times.

Does trump have the wherewithal to back his GOP supporters, or even his cabinet picks, when times get tough, and public opinion turns on him, as it inevitably will?

A good, if not great, leader sets direction for his team. It is one thing to be “hands off”, but it is troubling to hear from Tillerson that trump and he “haven’t discussed Russian policy, telling the Senate panel “that has not yet occurred.”” – one of the hottest issues right now.
http://fox6now.com/2017/01/11/rex-tillerson-nominee-for-secretary-of-state-breaks-with-president-elect-trump-on-tpp-foreign-policy/
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Not a good sign.

But, yes, we just have to wait and see.

Seems this last election was very much like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hV-05TLiiLU

]]> By: Ike https://thenewneo.com/2017/01/12/the-times-walks-the-tightrope/#comment-2164188 Fri, 13 Jan 2017 14:44:00 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/?p=65881#comment-2164188 Other Chuck: My point was the double standard on blatant display. Trump was a business man and, as such, could reasonably be expected to do business with Russians, post-Soviet Russia. Ted Kennedy was a Democrat Senator, a politician, and had absolutely no business negotiating with the Soviet government for help in defeating Regan in the Presidential election. Yet, Trump’s business dealings are shouted about as being proof of his treason, while Ted Kennedy’s actual treason was buried and ignored and is still being ignored. Witness your response.

]]> By: Sergey https://thenewneo.com/2017/01/12/the-times-walks-the-tightrope/#comment-2164186 Fri, 13 Jan 2017 14:35:51 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/?p=65881#comment-2164186 The new rule is simple: When you attack Trump, he will hit back harder than you could have imagined. This is his personal style dealing with press as well with any other offender, in business, public relations and international affairs.

]]> By: artfldgr https://thenewneo.com/2017/01/12/the-times-walks-the-tightrope/#comment-2164159 Fri, 13 Jan 2017 12:54:59 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/?p=65881#comment-2164159 It did the job…
And as I said in the other post ppl reading comprehension is poor… Even people with good comprehension don’t get perfect score
The manipulative people get good at selecting writing that confuses the less able (who would refuse to accept their own imperfections), and gets the wrong but intended message through

If you think it’s hard convincing them about facts try to convince them what they read is really meaning something else!!!

Yesterday 2500 tanks and stuff to Ukraine after lithuanian border after Latvia.. Today not in Poland… And crazy over the various island that will require fights to remove Chinese military from Japanese and taiwan and other territories

It’s magic!!

]]> By: AesopFan https://thenewneo.com/2017/01/12/the-times-walks-the-tightrope/#comment-2164117 Fri, 13 Jan 2017 06:14:57 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/?p=65881#comment-2164117 With regard to the substance of the dossiers, here is the analysis from an actual intel analyst, J. E. Dyer.

http://libertyunyielding.com/2017/01/12/bonfire-credibilities-trump-dossier-rings-false-falsely-convenient/

However, even if 99% of the dossier is false — and deliberately so — that doesn’t mean we should quit being wry of Trump’s Russian ties — which almost certainly do exist.

However, I don’t think he is a Russian agent in the same way Obama was an Iranian operative (I just really can’t see his actions any other way).

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