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		By: Tatterdemalian		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tatterdemalian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2017 19:56:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[AesopFan Says:

&quot;That’s on page 2, sub-point #2 of the Memo:
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3259984-Trump-Intelligence-Allegations.html&quot;

I actually haven&#039;t read them myself, because golden showers just aren&#039;t my bag. I only knew about it because, a few months ago, I suggested to 4Chan&#039;s /pol/ that they use the &quot;World Cup Soccer&quot; thing as a tell, so people in the know would recognize a false news report if the media ever did pick it up. More recently, they mentioned it again, and apparently actually used it (the &quot;golden shower&quot; part was 4chan&#039;s, the Russian and CIA spy stuff was apparently added by the grapevine).

Nice to know I&quot;m contributing to the media overlords&#039; downfall by posting anonymously on a Mongolian marionette forum.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AesopFan Says:</p>
<p>&#8220;That’s on page 2, sub-point #2 of the Memo:<br />
<a href="https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3259984-Trump-Intelligence-Allegations.html" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3259984-Trump-Intelligence-Allegations.html</a>&#8221;</p>
<p>I actually haven&#8217;t read them myself, because golden showers just aren&#8217;t my bag. I only knew about it because, a few months ago, I suggested to 4Chan&#8217;s /pol/ that they use the &#8220;World Cup Soccer&#8221; thing as a tell, so people in the know would recognize a false news report if the media ever did pick it up. More recently, they mentioned it again, and apparently actually used it (the &#8220;golden shower&#8221; part was 4chan&#8217;s, the Russian and CIA spy stuff was apparently added by the grapevine).</p>
<p>Nice to know I&#8221;m contributing to the media overlords&#8217; downfall by posting anonymously on a Mongolian marionette forum.</p>
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		By: T		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[T]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2017 19:31:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;&quot; I think any other Republican could do what he is doing by just fighting back.&quot; [Jim Doherty @ 12:41]&lt;/b&gt;

Any Republican &lt;i&gt;could&lt;/i&gt; do what Trump is doing, at least to some extent, but history has shown that almost none of them will.

The solution is very simple--fight back from your own turf not the turf set by the opposition--which makes it all the more frustration to watch a decades long fecklessness on the part of the Republican party.

IMO the problem is that establishment Republicans always shared a love of big govt with their Dem opposition.  It was just who would be in control which was the issue.

Trump has brought  new playing field to politics because he comes to the issue with an entirely new pedigree---a business pedigree, not one of  professional politician.  I, personally, have been waiting fro this since my 1992 vote for Ross Perot.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>&#8221; I think any other Republican could do what he is doing by just fighting back.&#8221; [Jim Doherty @ 12:41]</b></p>
<p>Any Republican <i>could</i> do what Trump is doing, at least to some extent, but history has shown that almost none of them will.</p>
<p>The solution is very simple&#8211;fight back from your own turf not the turf set by the opposition&#8211;which makes it all the more frustration to watch a decades long fecklessness on the part of the Republican party.</p>
<p>IMO the problem is that establishment Republicans always shared a love of big govt with their Dem opposition.  It was just who would be in control which was the issue.</p>
<p>Trump has brought  new playing field to politics because he comes to the issue with an entirely new pedigree&#8212;a business pedigree, not one of  professional politician.  I, personally, have been waiting fro this since my 1992 vote for Ross Perot.</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2017 19:05:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[george:

What oh-so-helpful george doesn&#039;t know about neocons could fill several volumes.

If you want to actually learn something about the term, however, go to the right sidebar and click on the category &quot;neocons,&quot; and then start reading.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>george:</p>
<p>What oh-so-helpful george doesn&#8217;t know about neocons could fill several volumes.</p>
<p>If you want to actually learn something about the term, however, go to the right sidebar and click on the category &#8220;neocons,&#8221; and then start reading.</p>
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		By: Jim Doherty		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jim Doherty]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2017 17:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Lets not give DJT too much credit. The media overplayed their hand over the last 8 years. I think any other Republican could do what he is doing by just fighting back. 

The media chose to hold repubs to a different standard, that always was going to have a time limit. Trump did see that the time had come to go on offense by looking at the way the public views the media. Thats not rocket science, thats just seeing a trend in the market, and seizing it. 

So sure Trump is gonna have leeway for a bit. But lets not get cocky. He has to deliver, and no way in hell does he do that, if we do not hold his feet to the fire when he goes off the reservation.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lets not give DJT too much credit. The media overplayed their hand over the last 8 years. I think any other Republican could do what he is doing by just fighting back. </p>
<p>The media chose to hold repubs to a different standard, that always was going to have a time limit. Trump did see that the time had come to go on offense by looking at the way the public views the media. Thats not rocket science, thats just seeing a trend in the market, and seizing it. </p>
<p>So sure Trump is gonna have leeway for a bit. But lets not get cocky. He has to deliver, and no way in hell does he do that, if we do not hold his feet to the fire when he goes off the reservation.</p>
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		By: george		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[george]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2017 14:12:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Are you really a neo-con? the neo-cons hate Trump and vice versa. They backed Jeb, and when he failed, backed Hillary.

Trump&#039;s ideas liken to those of paleoconservatism and populism.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are you really a neo-con? the neo-cons hate Trump and vice versa. They backed Jeb, and when he failed, backed Hillary.</p>
<p>Trump&#8217;s ideas liken to those of paleoconservatism and populism.</p>
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		By: T		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[T]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2017 05:25:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;&quot; Where one could attack Mitt Romney by writing a story that he was a bully as a teenager, with Trump such a story would have no impact at all.&quot; [Yancey Ward @ 4:05]&lt;/b&gt;

This is, perhaps, the primary reason I posited during the campaign that Trump was possibly the only of the 17 Republican candidates who &lt;i&gt;could&lt;/i&gt; have won the election.  His entire lifestyle has insulated him from such attacks.  Remember that Romney was an evil mega-millionaire who cut people&#039;s jobs?  Romney&#039;s wealth pales beside even the low estimates of Trump&#039;s wealth but we never saw any coordinated MSM attack about that. 

&lt;b&gt;&quot;What we thought was fault with Trump’s tweety stuff turned out to be a feature because he just keeps on playing offense getting out in the middle of the crazy news.&quot; [Old Texan @ 6:46]&lt;/b&gt;

Yep.  Even conservatives who repeat the refrain &quot;That&#039;s not presidential&quot; fail to understand that these Tweets are like chum in the water that attract MSM attention and allow Trump some control of the news cycle.  I wish some of them were better worded, but they serve the purpose.

&lt;b&gt;&quot;. . . there is more to being an effective POTUS than just handling the media.&quot; [OM @ 7:23]&lt;/b&gt;

You are correct there &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; more to being president, but handling the media is the first step of any opposition president.  A Dem president need no worry, but if a Republican president can&#039;t do this, he consistently fights an uphill. battle.

&lt;b&gt;&quot;What the media doesn’t seem to get is that you do not have to like Trump, in order to despise them; and whatever becomes of Trump will not render the left — and that includes the collaborationist media — any less the enemy.&quot; [DNW @ 7:48]&lt;/b&gt;

Very well stated.

&lt;b&gt;&quot;{The Dems] waving the flag, talking about decorum, appealing to some residual sense of fellowship or community is about as convincing as Stalin praising the Orthodox Church . . . .&quot; [DNW @ 7:48]&lt;/b&gt;

See Ted Cruz&#039;s performance at the Session&#039;s hearing today as he ticks off all the contradictions of the Dems now citing the importance of the rule of law.  There is a nice video over at &lt;i&gt;Legalinsurrection.com&lt;/i&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>&#8221; Where one could attack Mitt Romney by writing a story that he was a bully as a teenager, with Trump such a story would have no impact at all.&#8221; [Yancey Ward @ 4:05]</b></p>
<p>This is, perhaps, the primary reason I posited during the campaign that Trump was possibly the only of the 17 Republican candidates who <i>could</i> have won the election.  His entire lifestyle has insulated him from such attacks.  Remember that Romney was an evil mega-millionaire who cut people&#8217;s jobs?  Romney&#8217;s wealth pales beside even the low estimates of Trump&#8217;s wealth but we never saw any coordinated MSM attack about that. </p>
<p><b>&#8220;What we thought was fault with Trump’s tweety stuff turned out to be a feature because he just keeps on playing offense getting out in the middle of the crazy news.&#8221; [Old Texan @ 6:46]</b></p>
<p>Yep.  Even conservatives who repeat the refrain &#8220;That&#8217;s not presidential&#8221; fail to understand that these Tweets are like chum in the water that attract MSM attention and allow Trump some control of the news cycle.  I wish some of them were better worded, but they serve the purpose.</p>
<p><b>&#8220;. . . there is more to being an effective POTUS than just handling the media.&#8221; [OM @ 7:23]</b></p>
<p>You are correct there <i>is</i> more to being president, but handling the media is the first step of any opposition president.  A Dem president need no worry, but if a Republican president can&#8217;t do this, he consistently fights an uphill. battle.</p>
<p><b>&#8220;What the media doesn’t seem to get is that you do not have to like Trump, in order to despise them; and whatever becomes of Trump will not render the left — and that includes the collaborationist media — any less the enemy.&#8221; [DNW @ 7:48]</b></p>
<p>Very well stated.</p>
<p><b>&#8220;{The Dems] waving the flag, talking about decorum, appealing to some residual sense of fellowship or community is about as convincing as Stalin praising the Orthodox Church . . . .&#8221; [DNW @ 7:48]</b></p>
<p>See Ted Cruz&#8217;s performance at the Session&#8217;s hearing today as he ticks off all the contradictions of the Dems now citing the importance of the rule of law.  There is a nice video over at <i>Legalinsurrection.com</i></p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2017 04:54:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Many good points made in the comments, but this is a particularly good catch:
Tatterdemalian Says: 
January 11th, 2017 at 5:20 pm
You can tell it’s fake because a Brit would have called it “The World Cup Football Championship,” not “The World Cup Soccer Championship.”
* * *
That&#039;s on page 2, sub-point #2 of the Memo:
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3259984-Trump-Intelligence-Allegations.html

A blogger / commenter elsewhere (PowerLine??) points out that the Memo is headed &quot;Company Intelligence Report&quot; - because it&#039;s from a private company, of course -- but it can then be abbreviated &quot;CIA&quot; -- gee, I wonder why?

The whole thing is reminiscent of Dan Rather&#039;s trafficking in fake Texas National Guard memos.
* * *
neo-neocon Says: 
January 11th, 2017 at 3:31 pm
....
But if they keep printing fake stories, no one would believe it if the real thing came along.

* * *
Not completely on topic, but apropos:
http://thepeoplescube.com/peoples-blog/the-people-s-cube-entry-has-just-been-deleted-from-wikipedia-t19170.html]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many good points made in the comments, but this is a particularly good catch:<br />
Tatterdemalian Says:<br />
January 11th, 2017 at 5:20 pm<br />
You can tell it’s fake because a Brit would have called it “The World Cup Football Championship,” not “The World Cup Soccer Championship.”<br />
* * *<br />
That&#8217;s on page 2, sub-point #2 of the Memo:<br />
<a href="https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3259984-Trump-Intelligence-Allegations.html" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3259984-Trump-Intelligence-Allegations.html</a></p>
<p>A blogger / commenter elsewhere (PowerLine??) points out that the Memo is headed &#8220;Company Intelligence Report&#8221; &#8211; because it&#8217;s from a private company, of course &#8212; but it can then be abbreviated &#8220;CIA&#8221; &#8212; gee, I wonder why?</p>
<p>The whole thing is reminiscent of Dan Rather&#8217;s trafficking in fake Texas National Guard memos.<br />
* * *<br />
neo-neocon Says:<br />
January 11th, 2017 at 3:31 pm<br />
&#8230;.<br />
But if they keep printing fake stories, no one would believe it if the real thing came along.</p>
<p>* * *<br />
Not completely on topic, but apropos:<br />
<a href="http://thepeoplescube.com/peoples-blog/the-people-s-cube-entry-has-just-been-deleted-from-wikipedia-t19170.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://thepeoplescube.com/peoples-blog/the-people-s-cube-entry-has-just-been-deleted-from-wikipedia-t19170.html</a></p>
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		By: Esther		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Esther]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2017 04:48:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Funnily enough, I&#039;ve been recording To Tell the Truth rebroadcasts on my dvr over the last few weeks. Really pleasant to watch.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funnily enough, I&#8217;ve been recording To Tell the Truth rebroadcasts on my dvr over the last few weeks. Really pleasant to watch.</p>
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		By: parker		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[parker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2017 02:31:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Adrian Day,

Your name is not an Alex Jones psuedonym is it?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adrian Day,</p>
<p>Your name is not an Alex Jones psuedonym is it?</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[parker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2017 02:26:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[DNW.

Imagine a Cruz-Scott or Cruz-Fiorina administration. The msm and DC would truly go pedal to the metal moonbat. Trump is easy to label as a degenerate.  He is so bombastic and over the top it requires no imagination to view him as unhinged.... not that I think he is unhinged any more than I think he is a Constitutionalist or really gives a damn about the concept of a republic, not a democracy..]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DNW.</p>
<p>Imagine a Cruz-Scott or Cruz-Fiorina administration. The msm and DC would truly go pedal to the metal moonbat. Trump is easy to label as a degenerate.  He is so bombastic and over the top it requires no imagination to view him as unhinged&#8230;. not that I think he is unhinged any more than I think he is a Constitutionalist or really gives a damn about the concept of a republic, not a democracy..</p>
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