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		By: mollynh		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/12/19/lets-canonize-obama/#comment-2095693</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2016 22:40:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Well you ve given a spirited defense of your friends, lol, but  I could see some good discussions at this get together eminating from a topic you posted on your blog, I guess they just like their bubble.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well you ve given a spirited defense of your friends, lol, but  I could see some good discussions at this get together eminating from a topic you posted on your blog, I guess they just like their bubble.</p>
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		By: Frank B		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/12/19/lets-canonize-obama/#comment-2095070</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Frank B]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2016 19:24:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[One of the most disturbing parts is the statement that President Obama didn&#039;t get us into any unwinnable wars. This shows a shocking level of ignorance about events in the last 8 years.

How could they forget Libya? The rise of ISIS?

Its remarkable how immune to reality that is.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the most disturbing parts is the statement that President Obama didn&#8217;t get us into any unwinnable wars. This shows a shocking level of ignorance about events in the last 8 years.</p>
<p>How could they forget Libya? The rise of ISIS?</p>
<p>Its remarkable how immune to reality that is.</p>
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		By: Barry Meislin		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2016 16:21:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Downright scary.

Just when one thought that the level of self-deception and insanity couldn&#039;t get any lower....]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Downright scary.</p>
<p>Just when one thought that the level of self-deception and insanity couldn&#8217;t get any lower&#8230;.</p>
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		By: OM		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/12/19/lets-canonize-obama/#comment-2094216</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2016 15:11:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[And then there is Saint Michelle:

https://twitter.com/Furrystoat/status/811035343096979456

I&#039;m not missing them yet, and don&#039;t expect to.  The country may still survive the Obamas. Too bad hope is gone (from Saint Michelle, so it must be so).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And then there is Saint Michelle:</p>
<p><a href="https://twitter.com/Furrystoat/status/811035343096979456" rel="nofollow ugc">https://twitter.com/Furrystoat/status/811035343096979456</a></p>
<p>I&#8217;m not missing them yet, and don&#8217;t expect to.  The country may still survive the Obamas. Too bad hope is gone (from Saint Michelle, so it must be so).</p>
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		By: The Other Gary		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/12/19/lets-canonize-obama/#comment-2092712</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2016 07:57:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Neo wrote (12/20 @12:42am):

&lt;i&gt;No, I don&#039;t think there&#039;s even 5% doubt in their sincerity.&lt;/i&gt;

OK. You know them better than I do. But I think someone who&#039;s 95% sure and heavily suppresses the remaining 5% might come across as very certain. Maybe.

&lt;i&gt;However, I didn&#039;t idolize any politicians, and doubt very much that I would have idolized Obama, either.&lt;/i&gt;

Right. And I&#039;ll bet you never thought even your most despised politician was working to bring back Jim Crow and lynching, either.

I don&#039;t know if any of your friends is that far out on the extreme, but if they&#039;re spouting such nonsense, there are only 3 explanations I can think of:

1) They say these things but don&#039;t fully believe them, sweeping the 3% or 5% uncertainty under the rug.

2) There actually is something wrong with their rational/perceptual faculties; or

3) They&#039;ve enclosed themselves in an echo chamber where no contrary opinions are allowed, creating a spiral where everyone eggs each other on to say increasingly outrageous things. In which case, there&#039;s a weird Groupthink dynamic going on in which people say things parrot-like without ever actually engaging their critical reasoning to examine the content of what they&#039;re saying. I suspect this would come across as absolute certainty.

&lt;i&gt;So I&#039;m a bit disturbing and there&#039;s really no need to ask me too many questions because they don&#039;t want to become more uncomfortable.&lt;/i&gt;

It&#039;s funny; I was thinking about your situation and imagined exactly this, that you&#039;re somewhat &quot;disturbing&quot; to your friends. 

Excuse me for beating a dead horse. But could their discomfort be due to the fact that they know you&#039;re intelligent, well-informed and un-bigoted, and therefore cannot be dismissed in the usual ways. Thus, perhaps they fear, deep down, that some of your &quot;eccentric,&quot; blasphemous ideas might actually be correct.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neo wrote (12/20 @12:42am):</p>
<p><i>No, I don&#8217;t think there&#8217;s even 5% doubt in their sincerity.</i></p>
<p>OK. You know them better than I do. But I think someone who&#8217;s 95% sure and heavily suppresses the remaining 5% might come across as very certain. Maybe.</p>
<p><i>However, I didn&#8217;t idolize any politicians, and doubt very much that I would have idolized Obama, either.</i></p>
<p>Right. And I&#8217;ll bet you never thought even your most despised politician was working to bring back Jim Crow and lynching, either.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if any of your friends is that far out on the extreme, but if they&#8217;re spouting such nonsense, there are only 3 explanations I can think of:</p>
<p>1) They say these things but don&#8217;t fully believe them, sweeping the 3% or 5% uncertainty under the rug.</p>
<p>2) There actually is something wrong with their rational/perceptual faculties; or</p>
<p>3) They&#8217;ve enclosed themselves in an echo chamber where no contrary opinions are allowed, creating a spiral where everyone eggs each other on to say increasingly outrageous things. In which case, there&#8217;s a weird Groupthink dynamic going on in which people say things parrot-like without ever actually engaging their critical reasoning to examine the content of what they&#8217;re saying. I suspect this would come across as absolute certainty.</p>
<p><i>So I&#8217;m a bit disturbing and there&#8217;s really no need to ask me too many questions because they don&#8217;t want to become more uncomfortable.</i></p>
<p>It&#8217;s funny; I was thinking about your situation and imagined exactly this, that you&#8217;re somewhat &#8220;disturbing&#8221; to your friends. </p>
<p>Excuse me for beating a dead horse. But could their discomfort be due to the fact that they know you&#8217;re intelligent, well-informed and un-bigoted, and therefore cannot be dismissed in the usual ways. Thus, perhaps they fear, deep down, that some of your &#8220;eccentric,&#8221; blasphemous ideas might actually be correct.</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2016 05:42:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The Other Gary:

No, I don&#039;t think there&#039;s even 5% doubt in their sincerity.

I am going on several things here, and one is my memory of my own 20th Century political belief system, pre-political-change.  I don&#039;t recall having much doubt.  However, I didn&#039;t idolize any politicians, and doubt very much that I would have idolized Obama, either.  

But why would a person doubt her own perceptions if nearly all (or maybe all) of her sources of information agreed?  And that includes virtually everyone she knows?

Of course, they know me and I don&#039;t agree.  But I don&#039;t think they really want to know too much about what I think, because I believe I make them a bit uncomfortable because it&#039;s hard to pigeonhole me.  I think they know I&#039;m not a bigot (although they probably suspect that deep down I MUST be, or how else could I be a conservative?).  And I think they believe I&#039;m intelligent and they know I&#039;m well-informed.  So I&#039;m a bit disturbing and there&#039;s really no need to ask me too many questions because they don&#039;t want to become more uncomfortable. 

I think the way they deal with it is by saying to themselves that I&#039;m just kind of eccentric.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Other Gary:</p>
<p>No, I don&#8217;t think there&#8217;s even 5% doubt in their sincerity.</p>
<p>I am going on several things here, and one is my memory of my own 20th Century political belief system, pre-political-change.  I don&#8217;t recall having much doubt.  However, I didn&#8217;t idolize any politicians, and doubt very much that I would have idolized Obama, either.  </p>
<p>But why would a person doubt her own perceptions if nearly all (or maybe all) of her sources of information agreed?  And that includes virtually everyone she knows?</p>
<p>Of course, they know me and I don&#8217;t agree.  But I don&#8217;t think they really want to know too much about what I think, because I believe I make them a bit uncomfortable because it&#8217;s hard to pigeonhole me.  I think they know I&#8217;m not a bigot (although they probably suspect that deep down I MUST be, or how else could I be a conservative?).  And I think they believe I&#8217;m intelligent and they know I&#8217;m well-informed.  So I&#8217;m a bit disturbing and there&#8217;s really no need to ask me too many questions because they don&#8217;t want to become more uncomfortable. </p>
<p>I think the way they deal with it is by saying to themselves that I&#8217;m just kind of eccentric.</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2016 05:37:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[mollyNH:

I don&#039;t find it all that odd that they don&#039;t read my blog.  I certainly don&#039;t expect everyone I know to read it; that would be the odd thing, if I expected it.  Especially when most of them don&#039;t do that much online reading and are not into blogs in general or getting their news online.

Most of them are quite busy, as well. They tend to listen to NPR in the car; that&#039;s a big source of information for them.

Also, I think there&#039;s a tendency to not want to read information that favors the right.  This is not unlike the fact that most people on the right don&#039;t spend a lot of time at blogs on the left, either.  As I said, though, my friends/acquaintances don&#039;t read blogs at all, for the most part, even those on the left.  They don&#039;t eat, breathe, and sleep politics, either.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mollyNH:</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t find it all that odd that they don&#8217;t read my blog.  I certainly don&#8217;t expect everyone I know to read it; that would be the odd thing, if I expected it.  Especially when most of them don&#8217;t do that much online reading and are not into blogs in general or getting their news online.</p>
<p>Most of them are quite busy, as well. They tend to listen to NPR in the car; that&#8217;s a big source of information for them.</p>
<p>Also, I think there&#8217;s a tendency to not want to read information that favors the right.  This is not unlike the fact that most people on the right don&#8217;t spend a lot of time at blogs on the left, either.  As I said, though, my friends/acquaintances don&#8217;t read blogs at all, for the most part, even those on the left.  They don&#8217;t eat, breathe, and sleep politics, either.</p>
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		By: Matt_SE		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2016 03:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Your friends are delusional, neo. It doesn&#039;t matter if their belief is sincere; so is the belief of people in mental institutions.
The only way to settle this is to rely on objective proof, and by every measure I can think of, Obama&#039;s tenure has been either lackluster or a disaster.

The real tip-off was when they said he was &quot;scandal-free.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your friends are delusional, neo. It doesn&#8217;t matter if their belief is sincere; so is the belief of people in mental institutions.<br />
The only way to settle this is to rely on objective proof, and by every measure I can think of, Obama&#8217;s tenure has been either lackluster or a disaster.</p>
<p>The real tip-off was when they said he was &#8220;scandal-free.&#8221;</p>
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		By: Vanderleun		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2016 01:38:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I guess what all these Obamalovers are trying to emphasize is that Obama&#039;s resume is only skin deep.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess what all these Obamalovers are trying to emphasize is that Obama&#8217;s resume is only skin deep.</p>
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		By: mollyNH		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2016 01:37:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Odd acquaintances Neo, can&#039;t be bothered reading your blog.
I find that bizzare, as for the awesome Mr Obama totally a con man as you and many others here have characterized him &#038; my assessment of him as well.  I think a big clue is that he cannot speak extemporaneously, shows me that his thoughts are so weird that he cannot articulate them &#038; tries to make do with &quot;ahs  errs etc&quot;verbal fillers .  Trump on the other hand is amusing with his steam of consciousness bantering which I find amusing &#038; a polar opposite to Hillary&#039;s canned droning that she somehow believed could connect her with people, that is laughable.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Odd acquaintances Neo, can&#8217;t be bothered reading your blog.<br />
I find that bizzare, as for the awesome Mr Obama totally a con man as you and many others here have characterized him &amp; my assessment of him as well.  I think a big clue is that he cannot speak extemporaneously, shows me that his thoughts are so weird that he cannot articulate them &amp; tries to make do with &#8220;ahs  errs etc&#8221;verbal fillers .  Trump on the other hand is amusing with his steam of consciousness bantering which I find amusing &amp; a polar opposite to Hillary&#8217;s canned droning that she somehow believed could connect her with people, that is laughable.</p>
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