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		By: The Other Chuck		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/12/15/trump-fever/#comment-2085410</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Dec 2016 13:18:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A hypothetical:

Trump goes all out to enforce existing federal law with regard to deportation of criminal illegal aliens. California doesn&#039;t cooperate. They have already laid the groundwork in the state legislature, and are preparing to defend each case to drag out and tie up the process. When the first cases hit the airways and frontpages, there WILL be demonstrations and marches. The left, Soros funded most likely, will mobilize. I lived through the anti-war 60&#039;s and know exactly what to expect. 

Now, what will Trump do? What advice will he get from Flynn? Without cooperation from a liberal governor to call up the national guard to stop the rioting, burning, and yes, bombings, will the guard be nationalized, or will Trump and the generals invoke the 1807 Insurrection Act and send in federal troops? 

The stage is being set. What I don&#039;t know is if Trump and Bannaon are preparing for such a possibility with these appointments, or if they are part of a larger plan. If you read Bannon&#039;s interview linked below,  and if you read between the lines, you may get an idea of how under siege they feel, and guess to what lengths they will go. 
https://www.buzzfeed.com/lesterfeder/this-is-how-steve-bannon-sees-the-entire-world?utm_term=.ekKBBJQLB8#.kkMrrkgwrP]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A hypothetical:</p>
<p>Trump goes all out to enforce existing federal law with regard to deportation of criminal illegal aliens. California doesn&#8217;t cooperate. They have already laid the groundwork in the state legislature, and are preparing to defend each case to drag out and tie up the process. When the first cases hit the airways and frontpages, there WILL be demonstrations and marches. The left, Soros funded most likely, will mobilize. I lived through the anti-war 60&#8217;s and know exactly what to expect. </p>
<p>Now, what will Trump do? What advice will he get from Flynn? Without cooperation from a liberal governor to call up the national guard to stop the rioting, burning, and yes, bombings, will the guard be nationalized, or will Trump and the generals invoke the 1807 Insurrection Act and send in federal troops? </p>
<p>The stage is being set. What I don&#8217;t know is if Trump and Bannaon are preparing for such a possibility with these appointments, or if they are part of a larger plan. If you read Bannon&#8217;s interview linked below,  and if you read between the lines, you may get an idea of how under siege they feel, and guess to what lengths they will go.<br />
<a href="https://www.buzzfeed.com/lesterfeder/this-is-how-steve-bannon-sees-the-entire-world?utm_term=.ekKBBJQLB8#.kkMrrkgwrP" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.buzzfeed.com/lesterfeder/this-is-how-steve-bannon-sees-the-entire-world?utm_term=.ekKBBJQLB8#.kkMrrkgwrP</a></p>
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		By: The Other Chuck		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/12/15/trump-fever/#comment-2085287</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Dec 2016 12:35:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Lawrence:

Obama didn&#039;t appoint any generals to cabinet positions, unless you want to count Veteran&#039;s Affairs and the Shinseki mistake. He did have a number of them in other positions, like Petraeus at CIA, another big mistake.

The two big ones are Defense and DHS. Combined they represent national security. Under a normal presidency, this wouldn&#039;t be a red flag. With a man who has said he approves of torture, originally wanted to deport 11 million people, and praises strongman autocrats like Putin, this is of concern. It sounds like I&#039;m preaching from the left, but it&#039;s very much the opposite. If Reagan or Bush made these appointments I wouldn&#039;t be worried.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lawrence:</p>
<p>Obama didn&#8217;t appoint any generals to cabinet positions, unless you want to count Veteran&#8217;s Affairs and the Shinseki mistake. He did have a number of them in other positions, like Petraeus at CIA, another big mistake.</p>
<p>The two big ones are Defense and DHS. Combined they represent national security. Under a normal presidency, this wouldn&#8217;t be a red flag. With a man who has said he approves of torture, originally wanted to deport 11 million people, and praises strongman autocrats like Putin, this is of concern. It sounds like I&#8217;m preaching from the left, but it&#8217;s very much the opposite. If Reagan or Bush made these appointments I wouldn&#8217;t be worried.</p>
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		By: William Lawrence		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/12/15/trump-fever/#comment-2083658</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Dec 2016 03:35:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Other Chuck,

Military personnel who are retired are in fact civilians once more. Would you deny them their rights because they served their country?

Obama also had three retired Generals in his cabinet and no one, you included, said anything about it. You may be able to maintain your current level of paranoia by reflecting that the Generals Obama chose were inclined to be tame political animals while Trump&#039;s choices appear to actually be competent in the real world.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Other Chuck,</p>
<p>Military personnel who are retired are in fact civilians once more. Would you deny them their rights because they served their country?</p>
<p>Obama also had three retired Generals in his cabinet and no one, you included, said anything about it. You may be able to maintain your current level of paranoia by reflecting that the Generals Obama chose were inclined to be tame political animals while Trump&#8217;s choices appear to actually be competent in the real world.</p>
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		By: The Other Chuck		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/12/15/trump-fever/#comment-2078689</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Dec 2016 03:27:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[JuliB, I assume you were addressing me? 
Anyway generals in charge is the whole point. No one disputes that they have strategic thinking and tactical creds. What is interesting and not being discussed is why they are being put in positions that BY LAW are supposed to filled by civilians. Turn the tables and ask yourself what would be the response of our side had Obama done this. 

&lt;i&gt;Rub a dub dub,
Three generals in a tub,
Who do you think they be?
Not the butcher, the baker,
Nor the candlestick maker.
Turn them out,
All knaves three.&lt;/i&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JuliB, I assume you were addressing me?<br />
Anyway generals in charge is the whole point. No one disputes that they have strategic thinking and tactical creds. What is interesting and not being discussed is why they are being put in positions that BY LAW are supposed to filled by civilians. Turn the tables and ask yourself what would be the response of our side had Obama done this. </p>
<p><i>Rub a dub dub,<br />
Three generals in a tub,<br />
Who do you think they be?<br />
Not the butcher, the baker,<br />
Nor the candlestick maker.<br />
Turn them out,<br />
All knaves three.</i></p>
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		By: parker		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/12/15/trump-fever/#comment-2078117</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Dec 2016 01:08:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Richard Saunders,

I have offered to come to FLA to buy the beer (and escape the cold of Iowa for a few days. GB has not respond except to say we can make plans. (I would gladly fly to that warm peninsula to drink beer and eat seafood.  ;-)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard Saunders,</p>
<p>I have offered to come to FLA to buy the beer (and escape the cold of Iowa for a few days. GB has not respond except to say we can make plans. (I would gladly fly to that warm peninsula to drink beer and eat seafood.  😉</p>
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		By: TommyJay		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/12/15/trump-fever/#comment-2078008</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Dec 2016 00:44:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Almost 3 decades ago, I recall the fight within the Sierra Club; whether high levels of legal/illegal immigration from Mexico and Central America were good or bad.  All those extra Dem votes was obviously good, but what if those poverty stricken peoples assimilated and became part of the US middle class?  Imagine the carbon footprint and the landfills!!  I guess the resolution then was to promote lots of immigration and provide subsistence welfare in order to keep the economic levels low.

But can you/they imagine a conservative president who is both competent and successful?  With strong economic growth?  Mon deiu!  What will Bambi do when the heatwave and floods strike?  Now many &quot;misanthropic envirolunatics&quot; really believe this line of thinking.  But for many others, the green pitch is just a more effective selling point for their anti-capitalist Marxism.

And speaking of Marx, does anyone remember Obama getting caught on a hot mic when meeting with Russia&#039;s Medvedev?  Obama&#039;s line was (paraphrasing), &quot;When I win this election I&#039;ll be free to do what I really want.&quot;  I presume that the notion was that the real Obama ideology was well aligned with Russia&#039;s.

So now that the 2016 election blew-up the Dem party, and the force behind this debacle was the Great Satan of Russia, how are we to process this?  Did the Russian Reset fail that badly?  Are Obama/Hillary and Russia really at opposite ends of the political spectrum?  Or is this just Alinsky tactics: shift blame and force your enemy to live up to their anti-communist standards?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Almost 3 decades ago, I recall the fight within the Sierra Club; whether high levels of legal/illegal immigration from Mexico and Central America were good or bad.  All those extra Dem votes was obviously good, but what if those poverty stricken peoples assimilated and became part of the US middle class?  Imagine the carbon footprint and the landfills!!  I guess the resolution then was to promote lots of immigration and provide subsistence welfare in order to keep the economic levels low.</p>
<p>But can you/they imagine a conservative president who is both competent and successful?  With strong economic growth?  Mon deiu!  What will Bambi do when the heatwave and floods strike?  Now many &#8220;misanthropic envirolunatics&#8221; really believe this line of thinking.  But for many others, the green pitch is just a more effective selling point for their anti-capitalist Marxism.</p>
<p>And speaking of Marx, does anyone remember Obama getting caught on a hot mic when meeting with Russia&#8217;s Medvedev?  Obama&#8217;s line was (paraphrasing), &#8220;When I win this election I&#8217;ll be free to do what I really want.&#8221;  I presume that the notion was that the real Obama ideology was well aligned with Russia&#8217;s.</p>
<p>So now that the 2016 election blew-up the Dem party, and the force behind this debacle was the Great Satan of Russia, how are we to process this?  Did the Russian Reset fail that badly?  Are Obama/Hillary and Russia really at opposite ends of the political spectrum?  Or is this just Alinsky tactics: shift blame and force your enemy to live up to their anti-communist standards?</p>
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		By: JuliB		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/12/15/trump-fever/#comment-2077011</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Dec 2016 20:37:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[TOS - the appointment of generals to those civilian agencies means that someone with tactical experience and strategic thinking skills will be at the helm.  

Leaders as opposed to the typical political hacks.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TOS &#8211; the appointment of generals to those civilian agencies means that someone with tactical experience and strategic thinking skills will be at the helm.  </p>
<p>Leaders as opposed to the typical political hacks.</p>
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		By: Richard Saunders		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/12/15/trump-fever/#comment-2076759</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Dec 2016 19:36:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Parker -- correct me if I&#039;m wrong, but I haven&#039;t seen that you paid off your bet.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Parker &#8212; correct me if I&#8217;m wrong, but I haven&#8217;t seen that you paid off your bet.</p>
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		By: Richard Saunders		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/12/15/trump-fever/#comment-2076727</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Dec 2016 19:28:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yancey -  What&#039;s Barry O going to do?  Send Officer Muldoon to deliver a stern note?  What did he do about the Target hack?  The Sony hack? The Office of Personnel Management Hack?  The White House hack?

Hilarious how the Lefties have all-of-a-sudden become aware that Russia is not our friend, after decades of criticizing conservatives for calling out the Evil Empire.  I guess it&#039;s because the Russkies are no longer Communists, so its okay -- as if Russia had changed a bit.

Take over parts of Georgia?  No problem.  Invade Ukraine?  Go right ahead.  Seize Crimea?  It&#039;s within their sphere of influence.  Bomb Syria into rubble? Que sera, sera.

But mess with Hillary and the Evil Empire is back!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yancey &#8211;  What&#8217;s Barry O going to do?  Send Officer Muldoon to deliver a stern note?  What did he do about the Target hack?  The Sony hack? The Office of Personnel Management Hack?  The White House hack?</p>
<p>Hilarious how the Lefties have all-of-a-sudden become aware that Russia is not our friend, after decades of criticizing conservatives for calling out the Evil Empire.  I guess it&#8217;s because the Russkies are no longer Communists, so its okay &#8212; as if Russia had changed a bit.</p>
<p>Take over parts of Georgia?  No problem.  Invade Ukraine?  Go right ahead.  Seize Crimea?  It&#8217;s within their sphere of influence.  Bomb Syria into rubble? Que sera, sera.</p>
<p>But mess with Hillary and the Evil Empire is back!</p>
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		By: Rich		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/12/15/trump-fever/#comment-2075800</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Dec 2016 15:28:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m skeptical of conspiracy theories in general, but I&#039;m seeing a connection between several of the ideas being advanced by the Dems lately.

The &quot;Russian hackers&quot; idea ties into the &quot;fake news&quot; argument, because it implies that sinister forces have been giving false information to the public. And just to drive the point home, there&#039;s the frequent mention of the role played by the FBI in Clinton&#039;s defeat, as recently repeated by John Podesta&#039;s comments about the bureau.

So what&#039;s the &quot;false information&quot; that supposedly did all the damage ?

That Hillary Clinton might actually be guilty of something. The underlying theme is : &quot;All this smoke is just smoke, there&#039;s no fire here&quot;.

Delegitimizing the election, and attacking Trump, might be secondary goals. The real point may be to protect Hillary.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m skeptical of conspiracy theories in general, but I&#8217;m seeing a connection between several of the ideas being advanced by the Dems lately.</p>
<p>The &#8220;Russian hackers&#8221; idea ties into the &#8220;fake news&#8221; argument, because it implies that sinister forces have been giving false information to the public. And just to drive the point home, there&#8217;s the frequent mention of the role played by the FBI in Clinton&#8217;s defeat, as recently repeated by John Podesta&#8217;s comments about the bureau.</p>
<p>So what&#8217;s the &#8220;false information&#8221; that supposedly did all the damage ?</p>
<p>That Hillary Clinton might actually be guilty of something. The underlying theme is : &#8220;All this smoke is just smoke, there&#8217;s no fire here&#8221;.</p>
<p>Delegitimizing the election, and attacking Trump, might be secondary goals. The real point may be to protect Hillary.</p>
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