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		By: waltj		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/12/08/when-united-says-no-frills/#comment-2050347</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Dec 2016 17:42:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[When I was living overseas, I was able to avoid US carriers most of the time.  Traveling on Singapore Airlines, Emirates, Lufthansa, or Qantas isn&#039;t bad, especially if you have the miles to upgrade, or the company is paying for business class.  These and some other foreign carriers still understand that service counts, and they try to make their flights pleasant.  Now that I&#039;m back in the States, it&#039;s all US carriers all the time, with crowded seating, TSA security theater, and ever-increasing baggage charges.  So I don&#039;t fly that much now, and when I do, I try to find a reasonably-priced business class ticket (you usually can do it if you&#039;re willing to hunt for one, and the time you want to fly isn&#039;t a peak travel time or less than a week away), or just drive if the destination isn&#039;t that far away.  Getting into a premium class makes a huge difference in comfort, and if I&#039;m flying cross-country, I&#039;m willing to pay money or miles to upgrade.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I was living overseas, I was able to avoid US carriers most of the time.  Traveling on Singapore Airlines, Emirates, Lufthansa, or Qantas isn&#8217;t bad, especially if you have the miles to upgrade, or the company is paying for business class.  These and some other foreign carriers still understand that service counts, and they try to make their flights pleasant.  Now that I&#8217;m back in the States, it&#8217;s all US carriers all the time, with crowded seating, TSA security theater, and ever-increasing baggage charges.  So I don&#8217;t fly that much now, and when I do, I try to find a reasonably-priced business class ticket (you usually can do it if you&#8217;re willing to hunt for one, and the time you want to fly isn&#8217;t a peak travel time or less than a week away), or just drive if the destination isn&#8217;t that far away.  Getting into a premium class makes a huge difference in comfort, and if I&#8217;m flying cross-country, I&#8217;m willing to pay money or miles to upgrade.</p>
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		By: Tina		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Dec 2016 03:07:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A friend of mine ships their things UPS ahead of the trip.  Cheaper than paying luggage fees.  There is always Southwest Airlines, which is amazing compared to these companies.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A friend of mine ships their things UPS ahead of the trip.  Cheaper than paying luggage fees.  There is always Southwest Airlines, which is amazing compared to these companies.</p>
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		By: Roy		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/12/08/when-united-says-no-frills/#comment-2039485</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Dec 2016 22:48:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Travelers mostly want two things, comfort and reliability. The airlines today are supplying neither of those things.

For an adult male, flying coach is an excersize in torture. The seats are made to fit a 10 year old girl. I am a 6&#039;2&quot; man and when I shoehorn myself into one of those seats, I can&#039;t help but overhang a little on each side. (...I am not obese or even overweight for my size.) My femur is longer than the distance between my seatback and the seat in front of me. I have to sit a little sideways to fit. If the person in front of me reclines their seat without warning, I get a jammed knee.

And then there is reliability. I have not flown once in the last ten years that the airline hasn&#039;t had a multi-hour delay on at least one leg of the trip. In a few cases they have even cancelled the flight at the last minute. 

I was on a return trip from Nuremberg Germany a few years ago. The Lufthansa part of the flight went like clockwork. Unfortunately, the flight back to the US was booked via United. Nothing went right with them. Every single flight was late except the last one. It was cancelled at 11:00 PM after we had waited there in Chicago for 8 1/2 hours. (Just say &quot;NO&quot; to Chicago O&#039;Hare in the winter time.) I finally got home over a day late. IT took me days to recover from the combination of jet-lag and pure exhaustion from that ordeal. 

Nowadays, I only fly if it is absolutely necessary. Anything a day or less away, I will definitely drive.  Considering the travel to and from the airport, the security check in and the inevitable delays, it&#039;s better than even odds that I will beat the airplane anyway. Even going as far as the west coast, I will drive if I have the time. At least when driving, I don&#039;t have to worry about the size of my carry on.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Travelers mostly want two things, comfort and reliability. The airlines today are supplying neither of those things.</p>
<p>For an adult male, flying coach is an excersize in torture. The seats are made to fit a 10 year old girl. I am a 6&#8217;2&#8243; man and when I shoehorn myself into one of those seats, I can&#8217;t help but overhang a little on each side. (&#8230;I am not obese or even overweight for my size.) My femur is longer than the distance between my seatback and the seat in front of me. I have to sit a little sideways to fit. If the person in front of me reclines their seat without warning, I get a jammed knee.</p>
<p>And then there is reliability. I have not flown once in the last ten years that the airline hasn&#8217;t had a multi-hour delay on at least one leg of the trip. In a few cases they have even cancelled the flight at the last minute. </p>
<p>I was on a return trip from Nuremberg Germany a few years ago. The Lufthansa part of the flight went like clockwork. Unfortunately, the flight back to the US was booked via United. Nothing went right with them. Every single flight was late except the last one. It was cancelled at 11:00 PM after we had waited there in Chicago for 8 1/2 hours. (Just say &#8220;NO&#8221; to Chicago O&#8217;Hare in the winter time.) I finally got home over a day late. IT took me days to recover from the combination of jet-lag and pure exhaustion from that ordeal. </p>
<p>Nowadays, I only fly if it is absolutely necessary. Anything a day or less away, I will definitely drive.  Considering the travel to and from the airport, the security check in and the inevitable delays, it&#8217;s better than even odds that I will beat the airplane anyway. Even going as far as the west coast, I will drive if I have the time. At least when driving, I don&#8217;t have to worry about the size of my carry on.</p>
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		By: Big Maq		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/12/08/when-united-says-no-frills/#comment-2039093</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Dec 2016 21:28:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Ray - it is actually being considered:

http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/10/travel/standing-cabin-plane-study/index.html]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ray &#8211; it is actually being considered:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/10/travel/standing-cabin-plane-study/index.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/10/travel/standing-cabin-plane-study/index.html</a></p>
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		By: Ray		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/12/08/when-united-says-no-frills/#comment-2038878</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Dec 2016 20:47:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I am now waiting for the airline that has the straps hanging from the ceiling like a bus.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am now waiting for the airline that has the straps hanging from the ceiling like a bus.</p>
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		By: Grumpy		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Dec 2016 18:46:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Learned to travel light walking the camino to Santiago for the past 12 years.  Having discovered the pleasures of a light rucksack on the camino, I take the absolute bare minimum on any trip.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Learned to travel light walking the camino to Santiago for the past 12 years.  Having discovered the pleasures of a light rucksack on the camino, I take the absolute bare minimum on any trip.</p>
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		By: Sergey		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/12/08/when-united-says-no-frills/#comment-2037420</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sergey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Dec 2016 14:45:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The guys usually have little patience for detail and tend to care only about the basics. That means a smaller baggage. And just one suit of clothes, while ladies want to take with them a good half of their wardrobe.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The guys usually have little patience for detail and tend to care only about the basics. That means a smaller baggage. And just one suit of clothes, while ladies want to take with them a good half of their wardrobe.</p>
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		By: Big Maq		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/12/08/when-united-says-no-frills/#comment-2037378</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Dec 2016 14:34:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[United now joins Spirit and Frontier on my no-fly list.  

Bet it is not just the fees, but they probably soon to move the seat another inch closer for those prices.  I&#039;m not tall by any means, but on some airlines, on some of their aircraft, even my knees hit the seat in front!

Price comparison sites really need to catch up and allow shoppers to turn on and off these fees to get a real apples to apples comparison.

Like JJ, have been traveling for a great many years for work, every week.  It wasn&#039;t the cause, but the turning point seems to be around 9/11 when airlines and the air travel experience started to seriously turn towards the rotten.  Had a brief stint at traveling the Acela corridor (yes, used to live on the east coast), and it was wonderful in comparison in nearly every aspect.

Yes, gotten to the point where backpack (no longer brief case - gone years ago) and biggest wheeled suitcase that can fit overhead/under seat, are all I need.  Mostly business casual, but can squeeze in a suit and shoes if need be, working out the wrinkles at the other end.

One tip:  Ziploc Space Bags - if you really need to squeeze more in.  Be sure to pick ones you can roll up to push the air thru a one way valve.

Be sure to buy them via Neo&#039;s Amazon link.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>United now joins Spirit and Frontier on my no-fly list.  </p>
<p>Bet it is not just the fees, but they probably soon to move the seat another inch closer for those prices.  I&#8217;m not tall by any means, but on some airlines, on some of their aircraft, even my knees hit the seat in front!</p>
<p>Price comparison sites really need to catch up and allow shoppers to turn on and off these fees to get a real apples to apples comparison.</p>
<p>Like JJ, have been traveling for a great many years for work, every week.  It wasn&#8217;t the cause, but the turning point seems to be around 9/11 when airlines and the air travel experience started to seriously turn towards the rotten.  Had a brief stint at traveling the Acela corridor (yes, used to live on the east coast), and it was wonderful in comparison in nearly every aspect.</p>
<p>Yes, gotten to the point where backpack (no longer brief case &#8211; gone years ago) and biggest wheeled suitcase that can fit overhead/under seat, are all I need.  Mostly business casual, but can squeeze in a suit and shoes if need be, working out the wrinkles at the other end.</p>
<p>One tip:  Ziploc Space Bags &#8211; if you really need to squeeze more in.  Be sure to pick ones you can roll up to push the air thru a one way valve.</p>
<p>Be sure to buy them via Neo&#8217;s Amazon link.</p>
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		By: Surellin		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/12/08/when-united-says-no-frills/#comment-2037325</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Dec 2016 14:22:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[You mean not everyone has a bug-out bag prepacked by the door?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You mean not everyone has a bug-out bag prepacked by the door?</p>
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		By: Yancey Ward		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/12/08/when-united-says-no-frills/#comment-2035787</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Yancey Ward]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Dec 2016 07:40:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I haven&#039;t flown anywhere in the last 6 years, but on my last true travel trip of more than a day or two, to Hawaii in 2007, I tried a new thing since I hate luggage.  I took exactly one change of clothing for a two week trip- I just did a laundry load every night.  All I took with me was a small bag.  I will do the same when I travel in the future.  The cost of washes was less than $20 dollars total.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t flown anywhere in the last 6 years, but on my last true travel trip of more than a day or two, to Hawaii in 2007, I tried a new thing since I hate luggage.  I took exactly one change of clothing for a two week trip- I just did a laundry load every night.  All I took with me was a small bag.  I will do the same when I travel in the future.  The cost of washes was less than $20 dollars total.</p>
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