The problem isn’t honor, shame, or the 7th century. It’s Islam. The only ones that might truly understand what the US faces in the world, are religious fanatics or people who absorbed ancient martial beliefs.

The technological sophistication and advancement of human culture is often tied to science, but I would also tie it to the amount of faith people put into the supernatural gods. In the Christian and old Judaism wording, that would be Lucifer/Satan, the fallen angels, the Watchers, and the disembodied spirits of the Nephilim.

Islam is perceived by people as a mortal threat, and they don’t need to believe in the above. They could even be atheists, like the homosexuals after the club attack. People may not be able to figure out what god or gods have to do with their own life, but they know when people are butchering them from a list. That list isn’t a coincidence.

One thing to keep in note is that the reason why Islamic cultures praise suicide killers as jihadists and heroes, is because these Muslims actually act like sane people to their own people. To infidels, they are your enemies of course. But unlike sociopaths or psychopaths, these Muslims do care, in some way, about their own people and their own people’s perception of them. Something sociopaths and psychopaths usually have little concern with. That is not to say societies have not trained people with sociopathic tendencies. Those kinds of people are very useful depending on what role society has for them. For example, IRS enforcers. One doesn’t need Mr Rodgers or the Kind Patriot for that role.

From my own research, there are several reasons why people die from gunshots during the trip to the hospital. Shock, organ failure, blood loss, and various physiological related stimuli. There are various instances where people think they were shot, and believed it so strongly, that they collapsed as if they were shot. It’s because they have mentally trained their body to mimic what they have seen on tv and in their imaginations. Later on, the medics check on them and they haven’t been shot at all. Physiologically, if a person believes enough that something has killed them or made them sick, they can cause their own body to replicate that state. This is correlated in my research to those who were healed by faith, prayers, or impossible to explain from a doctor’s pov.

TV shows… indeed, many people get their idea of life and death battle from tv shows. But in those shows, the first aid treatment for shock and blood loss is to keep the patient warm, and conscious only because of the risk of coma inducing concussions (heavy). Perhaps it may help their mental state as well.

miklos000rosza Says:
November 28th, 2016 at 8:35 pm
Prog, I disagree about knife-wounds. You can survive multiple lacerations, even having your throat cut. I worked nights in an inner-city ER for seven years, the designated trauma center for Portland, Oregon.

Frog Says:
November 28th, 2016 at 8:56 pm
miklos:
I understood he used a “butcher knife” to slash, not stab, his victims.
My point was not about fatality, but about the severity of even a single slash with a sharp butcher knife.

Cross referencing my experience with my research, I would say Miklos is correct about damage from slashing attacks. That is because unless one hits an artery, a major one not a capillary stuck near the skin, the “arterial blood gushing” doesn’t come out in the vivid red/pink looking blood. A lot of the slower bleeding is vein loss, non oxygenated blood, which is blackish/rust colored. Losing that type of blood doesn’t cause serious issues, until a certain point is reached. Thus slashing attacks have to be pinpoint, usually against major arteries such as the neck, using Incredible Strength or mechanically, a longer blade that cuts deeper. For example, an axe, a kukri, a one handed machete, or a hand and a half short sword with one slash could easily have the speed to cut into the body’s major arteries, past the muscles and skin, plus organs too. With a kitchen knife, one would have to have either incredible technique/accuracy, or massive strength (the hand and arm strength necessary to snap a person’s upper spinal cord via torsion). Somalis aren’t known for having American level physiques though.

There are prison attacks which the qrf took too many minutes to respond to, where the victim was stabbed by a makeshift blade 24+ times. That’s because it took that many hits to actually kill the person.

Stab attacks generally cause more damage than slash attacks. Stab attacks are also more likely to kill, because so long as the stab is to the torso, if it reaches far enough it will hit an organ and the difference between organ damage leading to failure and death due to exsanguination of blood from veins, is large.

One of the reported sentry kill methods in WWII was to stab a knife into the side of the sentry, then carve/push out in front, to exit. That way if the stab doesn’t kill or exsanguinate the target, the blade will cut the arteries going forward, and the vocal cords will also be severed if the person tries to yell while he is dying.

One of the more beneficial uses to a heavy cutting blade such as the Chinese dao or the Japanese katana or daisho combo, is that even if a person is trying to fend off the overhead slash with his arms, it is not enough resistance to matter. One needs armored forearm guards to deflect that blow. One slash will cut through both wrists, and still imbed deep enough into the head or torso to produce a mortal wound. Given modern standards of people who use stainless steel wall hangers, though, the best reported result from home invasions has been death by exsanguination after the invader left the room after being slashed a few times. Not an instant kill nor a mortal one, if that person could retreat to his car from the house.

The good thing about firearms, what it makes an equalizer, is that one doesn’t need strength or skill to kill. The bullet and gun does most of the work. The user just needs to supply accuracy. But applies even more to melee weapons, especially ones that don’t offer much of a mechanical advantage. The less skilled you are, the less intent you are on the kill, the weaker you are, the worse results you get.

Given modern medical treatment and facilities, once a stab or slash victim gets to a hospital and can be treated for blood loss, their chances of dying go down significantly. However, that is why in some older martial arts, lunges and stabs are trained so that when you penetrate the target, you immediately twist your wrist and pull it out to On guard position. This enlarges the wound cavity, to the size of a .45 exit hole if not larger, except on the entrance hole. This produces greater blood loss and damage. For a stab that goes through the entire torso, with no armor blocking it as resistance, a twist and jerk will also reach some of the internal organs. By the time that guy gets to a hospital, he is already bled out. Internal bleeding is far harder to see and stop after all. If his organs fail, that’s even better for a kill percentage.

As for Frog’s scenario of gun vs blade, the gun has the advantage of range, but also the same disadvantage. Meaning, for situations where a target is in blade range, the gun is also in range. That’s bad for the gun user, since the gun user wants to pull range on the blade user and for certain shooting stances, trying to shoot someone rotating around you or charging you within 5m, isn’t necessarily all that optimal either. It’s why bayonets were fitted onto rifles. Get something that is good against all ranges, that you can switch to immediately.

For firearm users, to deal with CQB attacks, they generally have to free their non primary arm for a physical defense or counter, while using their primary arm to attack with the firearm, mostly from a hip draw. It is significantly different from the two handed, bring the iron sights to eye, stance taught as orthodox for medium to long distance shooting at fixed targets (sidearms).
Sergey Says:
November 30th, 2016 at 1:25 pm
That is the reason why nobody from shame-honor culture should be allowed to live in USA. This is an insufferable experience for them which drive them to insanity and violent outbursts, including terrorism. People from 7-century culture just do not belong in modern societies and should not allowed to enter them.

The only society honor culture stereotypes would be good in is the US Marines or other sub cultures like that.

For a Muslim that has certain requirements from Allah, the closest organization in the US would be a Christian one, and one of more stricter lineages, such as Jehovah’s Witnesses, the Amish, or the LDS Mormons.

The Atheist, US University, sub culture has almost no tie in with a Muslim. And thus no ability to assimilate or convert. There’s no military philosophy and discipline. There’s no spiritual maintenance or theology.

Russia is also an honor culture, but people should ask why they don’t see the Chinese or Russians blowing themselves up in US cities.

Exactly. It resolves ALL KINDS of “shame issues”.
For all we know this doofus was flunking out of his “logistics management” (or whatever it was) classes.

Receiving failing grades would be especially difficult for somebody from an “honor/shame” culture that teaches “Muslims are the best and most-favored of people”… One can assume this fellow was an Affirmative Action admit anyway; upon finding he was unable to handle the load (while so many others seemed to breeze right through) you can kinda-sorta understand how he would defensively start to believe “It’s because I’m MUSLIM that all the teachers give me such poor grades!!”

For some borderline-personality types, it’s only a small step from that point to “I’ll SHOW YOU ALL that you should have treated me -a Proud Muslim- with greater respect!!”

But it is a big deal. You had to not feel sorry for yourself and you had to be resourceful. The university failed you. You were maligned.