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		By: John F. MacMichael		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/11/23/how-to-talk-politics-on-thanksgiving/#comment-1969315</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John F. MacMichael]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Nov 2016 23:41:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sergey, @Nov.24, 6:25 AM

Sounds like you have heard the quote from Winston Churchill:  &quot;You can always count on the Americans to do the right thing...after they have tried everything else.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sergey, @Nov.24, 6:25 AM</p>
<p>Sounds like you have heard the quote from Winston Churchill:  &#8220;You can always count on the Americans to do the right thing&#8230;after they have tried everything else.&#8221;</p>
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		By: Nick		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/11/23/how-to-talk-politics-on-thanksgiving/#comment-1967007</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Nov 2016 15:27:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[My family is spread out politically, but all willing to stay civil - except for two of them.  One lib, one con.  They&#039;re family rivals in other respects, too.  

Liberals are more likely to politicize things as a general rule, sure.  But at family get-togethers there are usually other dynamics at play.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My family is spread out politically, but all willing to stay civil &#8211; except for two of them.  One lib, one con.  They&#8217;re family rivals in other respects, too.  </p>
<p>Liberals are more likely to politicize things as a general rule, sure.  But at family get-togethers there are usually other dynamics at play.</p>
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		By: Sergey		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sergey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Nov 2016 10:05:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yamarsakar, your insight about Tower of Babel is very, very incisive. That is a charge to the heart of the cultural war. There always were and always will be a mortal hatred between builders of Tower of Babel and builders of the Temple, between utopian universalism and struggle for a meaningful cultural and tribal identity and for a transcendental purpose of human existence.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yamarsakar, your insight about Tower of Babel is very, very incisive. That is a charge to the heart of the cultural war. There always were and always will be a mortal hatred between builders of Tower of Babel and builders of the Temple, between utopian universalism and struggle for a meaningful cultural and tribal identity and for a transcendental purpose of human existence.</p>
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		By: OM		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/11/23/how-to-talk-politics-on-thanksgiving/#comment-1963839</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Nov 2016 02:41:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Y:

&quot;Btw, this happy version of OM that uses smiley faces and jokes around without cutting people with his mirror-sarcasm, that’s not the real OM. Bring back the real OM, what happened to the real OM here? Somebody replaced him with this happy version, it is not right.&quot;

What did that have to do with your train of &quot;thought?&quot;

Inquiring minds want to know, but not really.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Y:</p>
<p>&#8220;Btw, this happy version of OM that uses smiley faces and jokes around without cutting people with his mirror-sarcasm, that’s not the real OM. Bring back the real OM, what happened to the real OM here? Somebody replaced him with this happy version, it is not right.&#8221;</p>
<p>What did that have to do with your train of &#8220;thought?&#8221;</p>
<p>Inquiring minds want to know, but not really.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/11/23/how-to-talk-politics-on-thanksgiving/#comment-1963831</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Nov 2016 02:39:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Oh, I &lt;b&gt;had to &lt;/b&gt;call my liberal sister and her family today to wish them a Happy Thanksgiving…. And, I’ll will send them more in Christmas presents than they will send me… I only get a card from them. oh well…
* * *

You can just say no.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, I <b>had to </b>call my liberal sister and her family today to wish them a Happy Thanksgiving…. And, I’ll will send them more in Christmas presents than they will send me… I only get a card from them. oh well…<br />
* * *</p>
<p>You can just say no.</p>
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		By: liz		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[liz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Nov 2016 23:36:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I am the lone conservative left in my family, but that did not stop my liberal sister &#038; family  accept the items that my conservative mother left.  My sister said she as &quot;only interested in a few things...&quot;  Yea right...

I do not believe anything a liberal has to say..

Oh, I had to call my liberal  sister and her family today to wish them a Happy Thanksgiving....  And, I&#039;ll will send them more in Christmas presents than they will send me... I only get a card from them.  oh well...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am the lone conservative left in my family, but that did not stop my liberal sister &amp; family  accept the items that my conservative mother left.  My sister said she as &#8220;only interested in a few things&#8230;&#8221;  Yea right&#8230;</p>
<p>I do not believe anything a liberal has to say..</p>
<p>Oh, I had to call my liberal  sister and her family today to wish them a Happy Thanksgiving&#8230;.  And, I&#8217;ll will send them more in Christmas presents than they will send me&#8230; I only get a card from them.  oh well&#8230;</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ymarsakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Nov 2016 22:56:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;And yet, conservatives sometimes really do start arguments. Conservatives are also capable of being obnoxious, although everyone here is very polite, I’m sure &lt;/b&gt;

Of course, humans being humans. Conservatives aren&#039;t saints. Not even close. Nor are American patriots all that &quot;exceptional&quot; either.

Is looking at Leftists, the way people look at cockroaches and slugs, &quot;very polite&quot;? If so, I qualify. I&#039;ve smashed cockroaches with my bare hands before. I think I would prefer doing that to touching or speaking in the evil presence of Leftists and their attached tools.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>And yet, conservatives sometimes really do start arguments. Conservatives are also capable of being obnoxious, although everyone here is very polite, I’m sure </b></p>
<p>Of course, humans being humans. Conservatives aren&#8217;t saints. Not even close. Nor are American patriots all that &#8220;exceptional&#8221; either.</p>
<p>Is looking at Leftists, the way people look at cockroaches and slugs, &#8220;very polite&#8221;? If so, I qualify. I&#8217;ve smashed cockroaches with my bare hands before. I think I would prefer doing that to touching or speaking in the evil presence of Leftists and their attached tools.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ymarsakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Nov 2016 22:45:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;But they still haven’t figured out yet that this kind of poison-pilling is one of the reasons Trump won.

Sad.&lt;/b&gt;

If it came to arguing with people or abdicating your loyalty to the head of your church, which one would you pick?

Leftists are no less strong in their faith and fanaticism, although it isn&#039;t strong enough for them to kill or die over. To suffer, perhaps, but they would rather make you suffer for their faith.

The Left can&#039;t stop doing what Leftist zombies do, because their Authorities are their Authorities. And they obey because they have faith. It has less to do with policies or even politics. It&#039;s a political outcome, but only because of a religious, theological, and epistemological foundation.

Many conservatives of the old guard, told me online that they were busy using the Left&#039;s dogma, the NYTimes, and other facts the Left recognized, to prove to the Left that the Left was wrong. I always told them it was a waste of time. Using facts against Zombies. Using reason against faith. The reason why people seek faith to fill in the &quot;God void&quot; is because reason is insufficient to live on for many people. It doesn&#039;t answer all the questions. The Left wants to get rid of evil on Earth, same as the builders of the Tower of Babel. They want to restore the Edenic vision, the utopia, but on Earth, not in accordance to the will of God or any other deity absent their man made Deus ex Machina gods.

That is why they think those that get in the way, are EVIL. Because that is what you are to them. Just as Lucifer, the serpent in the garden of eden is evil to Christians.

Because a lot of Leftists are brain dead cannonfodder that Obeys Orders the way the SS Obeyed Orders, it takes someone else to explain all this, as even Leftists often times deceive themselves to know otherwise. And non Leftists also deceive themselves by claiming that Leftists, if only they were told the facts and the data they would stop believing. No, that&#039;s not how faith or a religion works. Humans don&#039;t change their minds or hearts so easily. Maybe the honest ones do, maybe the top 10% or 3% does, but the rest of humanity... the rest of humanity is broken.

It is much easier to think of Leftists as some kind of zombie, tool, or demon possessed walking soon to be corpse, than to use human communication methods I have found. Even animal training methods, to quiet down crying Leftists that act broken like asylum cases, work better than what many humans use.

Btw, this happy version of OM that uses smiley faces and jokes around without cutting people with his mirror-sarcasm, that&#039;s not the real OM. Bring back the real OM, what happened to the real OM here? Somebody replaced him with this happy version, it is not right.

&lt;b&gt;Ever wonder why it’s always the Conservatives who have to trim their sails to avoid inciting the Progressives?
Maybe that counts as turning the other cheek &lt;/b&gt;

Turning the other cheek is when I look at people and see how much rope they can get fed before they hang themselves. It&#039;s pretty obvious just from a look that I&#039;m treating them as a sub human trash, I don&#039;t need to say anything. They can launch as many stuff as they want, but as in yin and yang, I don&#039;t need to block it to evade it. It matters as much to me as if an ant had started criticizing how I manage the yard. Dogs and Leftists bark because they want vindication of their views, they want attention like spoiled children and want anybody around them to either affirm their view or fight them for it as if they were equals.

I, for one, don&#039;t treat inferiors as equals. Not even if it is merely the title, the attitude that should be equal.

&lt;b&gt;I reckon that when and if Trump does something awful, we can deal with it then. Until then, pray for God’s mercy.&lt;/b&gt;

Trum doesn&#039;t need to do anything, assuming he even gets to DC alive to do anything in the end. This country is half full of abominations and evil bullsh artists. Trum doesn&#039;t need to do anything awful, on top of that.

As for praying, that&#039;s probably bad idea. Since the last time I had a harangue at the heavens years ago after 2007, I demanded the punishment of evil and its annihilation in DC. Now we got Trum. Coincidence? Maybe, but usually not a good idea to demand things which is unclear how it will turn out. Not everyone is going to be praying for &quot;mercy&quot; so to speak.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>But they still haven’t figured out yet that this kind of poison-pilling is one of the reasons Trump won.</p>
<p>Sad.</b></p>
<p>If it came to arguing with people or abdicating your loyalty to the head of your church, which one would you pick?</p>
<p>Leftists are no less strong in their faith and fanaticism, although it isn&#8217;t strong enough for them to kill or die over. To suffer, perhaps, but they would rather make you suffer for their faith.</p>
<p>The Left can&#8217;t stop doing what Leftist zombies do, because their Authorities are their Authorities. And they obey because they have faith. It has less to do with policies or even politics. It&#8217;s a political outcome, but only because of a religious, theological, and epistemological foundation.</p>
<p>Many conservatives of the old guard, told me online that they were busy using the Left&#8217;s dogma, the NYTimes, and other facts the Left recognized, to prove to the Left that the Left was wrong. I always told them it was a waste of time. Using facts against Zombies. Using reason against faith. The reason why people seek faith to fill in the &#8220;God void&#8221; is because reason is insufficient to live on for many people. It doesn&#8217;t answer all the questions. The Left wants to get rid of evil on Earth, same as the builders of the Tower of Babel. They want to restore the Edenic vision, the utopia, but on Earth, not in accordance to the will of God or any other deity absent their man made Deus ex Machina gods.</p>
<p>That is why they think those that get in the way, are EVIL. Because that is what you are to them. Just as Lucifer, the serpent in the garden of eden is evil to Christians.</p>
<p>Because a lot of Leftists are brain dead cannonfodder that Obeys Orders the way the SS Obeyed Orders, it takes someone else to explain all this, as even Leftists often times deceive themselves to know otherwise. And non Leftists also deceive themselves by claiming that Leftists, if only they were told the facts and the data they would stop believing. No, that&#8217;s not how faith or a religion works. Humans don&#8217;t change their minds or hearts so easily. Maybe the honest ones do, maybe the top 10% or 3% does, but the rest of humanity&#8230; the rest of humanity is broken.</p>
<p>It is much easier to think of Leftists as some kind of zombie, tool, or demon possessed walking soon to be corpse, than to use human communication methods I have found. Even animal training methods, to quiet down crying Leftists that act broken like asylum cases, work better than what many humans use.</p>
<p>Btw, this happy version of OM that uses smiley faces and jokes around without cutting people with his mirror-sarcasm, that&#8217;s not the real OM. Bring back the real OM, what happened to the real OM here? Somebody replaced him with this happy version, it is not right.</p>
<p><b>Ever wonder why it’s always the Conservatives who have to trim their sails to avoid inciting the Progressives?<br />
Maybe that counts as turning the other cheek </b></p>
<p>Turning the other cheek is when I look at people and see how much rope they can get fed before they hang themselves. It&#8217;s pretty obvious just from a look that I&#8217;m treating them as a sub human trash, I don&#8217;t need to say anything. They can launch as many stuff as they want, but as in yin and yang, I don&#8217;t need to block it to evade it. It matters as much to me as if an ant had started criticizing how I manage the yard. Dogs and Leftists bark because they want vindication of their views, they want attention like spoiled children and want anybody around them to either affirm their view or fight them for it as if they were equals.</p>
<p>I, for one, don&#8217;t treat inferiors as equals. Not even if it is merely the title, the attitude that should be equal.</p>
<p><b>I reckon that when and if Trump does something awful, we can deal with it then. Until then, pray for God’s mercy.</b></p>
<p>Trum doesn&#8217;t need to do anything, assuming he even gets to DC alive to do anything in the end. This country is half full of abominations and evil bullsh artists. Trum doesn&#8217;t need to do anything awful, on top of that.</p>
<p>As for praying, that&#8217;s probably bad idea. Since the last time I had a harangue at the heavens years ago after 2007, I demanded the punishment of evil and its annihilation in DC. Now we got Trum. Coincidence? Maybe, but usually not a good idea to demand things which is unclear how it will turn out. Not everyone is going to be praying for &#8220;mercy&#8221; so to speak.</p>
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		By: Richard Aubrey		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Nov 2016 18:24:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Neo. IME, the lib&#039; s point is presumed be revealed truth, which why a response is &quot;starting&quot; something.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neo. IME, the lib&#8217; s point is presumed be revealed truth, which why a response is &#8220;starting&#8221; something.</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Nov 2016 17:21:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Richard Aubrey:

And yet, conservatives sometimes really &lt;i&gt;do&lt;/i&gt; start arguments.  Conservatives are also capable of being obnoxious, although everyone here is very polite, I&#039;m sure :-) .

My experience is that conservatives who reply to liberal goading aren&#039;t often accused of &lt;i&gt;starting&lt;/i&gt; an argument, just of various evil impulses. The tone also depends on which side is the majority political persuasion at the dinner.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard Aubrey:</p>
<p>And yet, conservatives sometimes really <i>do</i> start arguments.  Conservatives are also capable of being obnoxious, although everyone here is very polite, I&#8217;m sure 🙂 .</p>
<p>My experience is that conservatives who reply to liberal goading aren&#8217;t often accused of <i>starting</i> an argument, just of various evil impulses. The tone also depends on which side is the majority political persuasion at the dinner.</p>
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