Comments on: Rothbard and the alt-right

By: Ymarsakar

Ymarsakar — Thu, 24 Nov 2016 13:41:33 +0000

Trimegistus Says:
November 20th, 2016 at 10:29 am

And what proof does Trim have that he had Alt Right views before he ever heard of the Alt Right… otherwise he’s just regurgitating online culture memes now that’s he has enough Courage to Return here to comment.

By: Ymarsakar

Ymarsakar — Thu, 24 Nov 2016 13:35:40 +0000

Why is OM transforming into a kinder, gentler, version of his true self now of all times. He should go back to the months of the Republican primaries, and go with the truer, meaner, grittier version, as that fits OM better.

By: Ymarsakar

Ymarsakar — Thu, 24 Nov 2016 13:33:52 +0000

“Unless he starts a civil war, he can’t be. That honor belongs to Abraham Lincoln.”

Since it was the Slave lords that started CW2 over the issue of federal rights and spreading slavery to the US territories, that honor belongs to somebody else entirely.

By: Brian E

Brian E — Wed, 23 Nov 2016 21:38:10 +0000

OM, Yes those. Sometimes they seem too restrictive, sometimes not enough, like the 2003 Bank Modernization Act that allowed the 5 investment banks to essentially self-regulate within the CSE.
Whatever the rule, people will push the boundaries and figure out ways to defeat it. That’s the nature of people.
Our economy wouldn’t function without a sense that there are rules to our transactions and recourse when the rules are broken.

By: OM

OM — Wed, 23 Nov 2016 20:14:41 +0000

Brian E:

As in FDIC and Dod Frank and the Saving and Loan regulations?

As in Fannie and Freddie, unsecured derivatives, housing bubble,,,,yet it provides the framework for our economic system to work.

Actually, it seems our economic system is still working in spite of the framework, so far anyway. Just how it is IMO disappointment or not.

By: Brian E

Brian E — Wed, 23 Nov 2016 16:47:14 +0000

OM, let’s see if we can agree on one thing. The government provides the framework for our economic system to work.
Since I can’t personally audit a bank before I deposit my paycheck, I rely on the government to oversee the bank’s solvency.

What is the minimum amount of regulation necessary for the system to work efficiently? That’s where the disagreement begins. What are the things that we can’t do as private citizens that we want done?

So we end up believing that one of us wants the government to do too little, and the other wants the government to do too much.

I’m going to be disappointed, as will you over the next four years, just as we were during the Bush administration, I suspect.

By: OM

OM — Wed, 23 Nov 2016 04:05:22 +0000

The limited government conservatives were being ignored and didn’t like it. If you recall GW Bush was fighting two geographically constrained wars and a third war of global extent. While dealing with a disloyal opposition and trying to placate the non-limited government types. Have your forgotten the daily body count tallies, the Scooter Libby farce/Colin Powel’s machinations, Katrina, and of course Valerie Plame? But all will be better with Yuge Gubment and 1 trillion in stimulus/infrastructure (payoff to the big unions and CE/AE firms).

By: OM

OM — Wed, 23 Nov 2016 03:56:04 +0000

All the talk about the Gramsian march through the institutions of academia, K-12, the arts, the press which of course is part and parcel of a big government approach to “solving” the problems that have been ignored too long. But is mainly about power and control of the people. And yet Brian E is all good with big government “solutions” now that Trump is in charge. It didn’t take long to embrace the tipping point. Come aboard, the water will be fine.

By: Brian E

Brian E — Tue, 22 Nov 2016 18:36:57 +0000

“My other question is, since many would be GOP voters being evidently “lost” this election, what is going to attract them back?” Big Maq

How did George Bush get re-elected after it became abundantly clear with No Child Left Behind and Part D Medicare that George Bush was a big government liberal?

Where were those limited government conservatives then?

By: Big Maq

Big Maq — Tue, 22 Nov 2016 17:58:24 +0000

“No laissez-faire president is going to be elected. And even if one were elected, so much authority has been ceded to the bureaucracy and the Fed that the government will meddle anyway.” – Brian

And that’s a reason to support big government interventions?
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I may find GOP candidates less than ideal on several measures, but most have largely been campaigning on “less government”.

I’m not expecting “purity”, but trump has been a huge exception of recent generations, deliberately co-opting many dem policies / positions.

A great many, particularly in the “conservative” media, only 12 months or so ago, complained that the GOP too often sought to expand their support by trying to adopt “me too, dem-lite” positions. Often, that ended with cries of “RINO!!!”

So now, all is good, in pursuit of getting elected (“Winning!!”)?!
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trump won some of the disaffected dem voters in the rust belt and elsewhere to eek out an ecv majority.

My question is, with policies that are likely to disproportionately impact those voters (e.g. oil price supports, trade embargo on ME oil, etc), what are the chances of retaining them long term?
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My other question is, since many would be GOP voters being evidently “lost” this election, what is going to attract them back?

This is critical, as, while clinton devastatingly lost millions of previous dem votes this election, we cannot count on that to be the same in future.

A large portion of those GOP voters who didn’t come to trump have to be attracted back to counter the gains the dems are likely to make.