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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2016/11/12/another-rant-from-a-liberal-plus-some-words-of-hope/#comment-1915664</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ymarsakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2016 16:34:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;I’m beginning to believe Scott Adams, that Trump’s shtick was a calculated persuasive tactic. It worked. So now he is shifting to his leadership role rather than his persuasive role. Fingers crossed!

&lt;/b&gt;

This must be why Democrats defended Ted Kennedy and Hussein. Since their agenda was going to be implemented, they were okay with their candidates manipulating the public and even lying to them.

&lt;b&gt;Window Manager Says: 
November 13th, 2016 at 8:10 pm
I find neo defending herself for not being a never-Trump, but I had to stop coming here for six months since she was a never-Trump in all but name.&lt;/b&gt;

It&#039;s informative that the Alt Right and Trum supporters demonstrate this kind of psychological insight. Since previously, the Left and Demoncrats were scorned and belittled for living in their own bubble and being incapable of reading or talking conservative philosophy. 

Many Democrats or Republicans said they couldn&#039;t comment or read blogs, who favored Sarah Palin. Since Palin was so &quot;ugh&quot; and Tea Party. It&#039;s a kind of Cultural Othering, which allows for the mobilization of armed gangs and other conflicts. The Alt Right is doing a good propaganda support role for that, but we&#039;ll see how long it lasts.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>I’m beginning to believe Scott Adams, that Trump’s shtick was a calculated persuasive tactic. It worked. So now he is shifting to his leadership role rather than his persuasive role. Fingers crossed!</p>
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<p>This must be why Democrats defended Ted Kennedy and Hussein. Since their agenda was going to be implemented, they were okay with their candidates manipulating the public and even lying to them.</p>
<p><b>Window Manager Says:<br />
November 13th, 2016 at 8:10 pm<br />
I find neo defending herself for not being a never-Trump, but I had to stop coming here for six months since she was a never-Trump in all but name.</b></p>
<p>It&#8217;s informative that the Alt Right and Trum supporters demonstrate this kind of psychological insight. Since previously, the Left and Demoncrats were scorned and belittled for living in their own bubble and being incapable of reading or talking conservative philosophy. </p>
<p>Many Democrats or Republicans said they couldn&#8217;t comment or read blogs, who favored Sarah Palin. Since Palin was so &#8220;ugh&#8221; and Tea Party. It&#8217;s a kind of Cultural Othering, which allows for the mobilization of armed gangs and other conflicts. The Alt Right is doing a good propaganda support role for that, but we&#8217;ll see how long it lasts.</p>
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		By: Tom G		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom G]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Nov 2016 18:37:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;&quot;Not everyone who voted for Trump is a racist.  Some are, but most aren&#039;t&quot; --from Tom Walker &lt;/b&gt; (Thanks!) actor, in his character Johnathon Pie.

Having more Trump haters accept this would be big progress, and only after that can arguments possibly make a difference.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>&#8220;Not everyone who voted for Trump is a racist.  Some are, but most aren&#8217;t&#8221; &#8211;from Tom Walker </b> (Thanks!) actor, in his character Johnathon Pie.</p>
<p>Having more Trump haters accept this would be big progress, and only after that can arguments possibly make a difference.</p>
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		By: Tom G		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom G]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Nov 2016 18:35:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hmm, comments moderated?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm, comments moderated?</p>
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		By: Oldflyer		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Nov 2016 17:25:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Simon, I am still trying to process your statements.  Not there yet.  I  wonder if your terror resulted from things that you heard Trump say, or from statements attributed to him by a hostile media?  Admittedly, I felt some apprehension about Trump; but terror?  No.  Certainly, nothing that would cause me to vote for HRC.

Bob, I hope that Trump&#039;s plans for inner cities doesn&#039;t slide into the all-too-familiar government sink hole of throwing money about willy nilly.  I think of the &quot;Great Society&quot; or the &quot;War on Poverty&quot;.  He simply must get the horse before the cart, and work on security in the cities--to the extent that the Federal government can-- then introduce incentives for private investment.

Post-election statements attributed to him that seem to soften some campaign rhetoric will almost surely cause angst among his supporters.  But, he does seem to grasp that anything he accomplishes will be difficult and will require some coalition building.  

I know  that Priebus is too &quot;insider&quot; for some of the faithful; but, I find the appointment  very encouraging.  First, because Priebus is enormously capable; and second, for what it says about Trump that he chose him.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Simon, I am still trying to process your statements.  Not there yet.  I  wonder if your terror resulted from things that you heard Trump say, or from statements attributed to him by a hostile media?  Admittedly, I felt some apprehension about Trump; but terror?  No.  Certainly, nothing that would cause me to vote for HRC.</p>
<p>Bob, I hope that Trump&#8217;s plans for inner cities doesn&#8217;t slide into the all-too-familiar government sink hole of throwing money about willy nilly.  I think of the &#8220;Great Society&#8221; or the &#8220;War on Poverty&#8221;.  He simply must get the horse before the cart, and work on security in the cities&#8211;to the extent that the Federal government can&#8211; then introduce incentives for private investment.</p>
<p>Post-election statements attributed to him that seem to soften some campaign rhetoric will almost surely cause angst among his supporters.  But, he does seem to grasp that anything he accomplishes will be difficult and will require some coalition building.  </p>
<p>I know  that Priebus is too &#8220;insider&#8221; for some of the faithful; but, I find the appointment  very encouraging.  First, because Priebus is enormously capable; and second, for what it says about Trump that he chose him.</p>
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		By: Bob		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Nov 2016 14:37:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hi Neo, I too read that rant and there does appear to be hope that a sea change may be occurring on the political left that will allow for dissenting opinions.    Also encouraging is President-Elect Trump&#039;s quick outreach to the inner city communities with his just published plan to help black Americans as reported by CBS.    The plan may be a takeoff on ideas promoted by Jack Kemp many years ago and includes tax incentives for companies locating facilities in the inner city, new infrastructure, etc.     Bob]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Neo, I too read that rant and there does appear to be hope that a sea change may be occurring on the political left that will allow for dissenting opinions.    Also encouraging is President-Elect Trump&#8217;s quick outreach to the inner city communities with his just published plan to help black Americans as reported by CBS.    The plan may be a takeoff on ideas promoted by Jack Kemp many years ago and includes tax incentives for companies locating facilities in the inner city, new infrastructure, etc.     Bob</p>
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		By: OM		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[OM]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Nov 2016 07:54:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Frog:

Any you didn&#039;t convince any to your position.  Whatever.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frog:</p>
<p>Any you didn&#8217;t convince any to your position.  Whatever.</p>
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		By: Frog		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Frog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Nov 2016 05:47:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t think Bill made any converts to his never-Trump position here.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think Bill made any converts to his never-Trump position here.</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Nov 2016 04:06:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Window Manager:

You are incorrect.

I was never a NeverTrump, and always considered (and always said) that I might in fact end up voting for him, and that I wouldn&#039;t know till I got in the voting booth.

I also said that I reserved my right to keep my vote secret, but that it might indeed be for Trump.

What&#039;s more, I was very very clear that I knew I would not be voting for Hillary.  Period. I knew that from the start.

I don&#039;t have to prove anything to anyone who has read this blog and paid attention to what I said.  I never have liked the approach of many of the most fervent Trump-supporting bullies and insulters, because that&#039;s what they are.  &lt;i&gt;Most people who supported Trump are not bullies and/or insulters&lt;/i&gt;, and certainly plenty of people on this blog supported Trump and were neither bullies nor insulters.  Everyone was welcome, if they were respectful to other people. Just argue your case.  Those are the rules here.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Window Manager:</p>
<p>You are incorrect.</p>
<p>I was never a NeverTrump, and always considered (and always said) that I might in fact end up voting for him, and that I wouldn&#8217;t know till I got in the voting booth.</p>
<p>I also said that I reserved my right to keep my vote secret, but that it might indeed be for Trump.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s more, I was very very clear that I knew I would not be voting for Hillary.  Period. I knew that from the start.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have to prove anything to anyone who has read this blog and paid attention to what I said.  I never have liked the approach of many of the most fervent Trump-supporting bullies and insulters, because that&#8217;s what they are.  <i>Most people who supported Trump are not bullies and/or insulters</i>, and certainly plenty of people on this blog supported Trump and were neither bullies nor insulters.  Everyone was welcome, if they were respectful to other people. Just argue your case.  Those are the rules here.</p>
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		By: Matt_SE		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Nov 2016 03:41:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Probably the worst part about voting for Trump was knowing that I&#039;d be on the same side as some of the sanctimonious assholes who support him.
I haven&#039;t seen such lack of introspection and bullying behavior since my last conversation with a SJW.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Probably the worst part about voting for Trump was knowing that I&#8217;d be on the same side as some of the sanctimonious assholes who support him.<br />
I haven&#8217;t seen such lack of introspection and bullying behavior since my last conversation with a SJW.</p>
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		By: jms		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jms]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Nov 2016 03:04:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Pie says that liberals need to &quot;talk to people who think differently to you and persuade them of your argument&quot;.  No.  Liberals need to *listen* to people who think differently than them and open themselves up to being persuaded by them, or at least finding a common ground of compromise.  He never even comes close to saying that, which is disappointing, but he&#039;s just not there yet.  He&#039;s off one wrong track and onto another. Maybe a less damaging one.



Frog wrote: 
&#062; “But I’m almost hoping he does win, because I’m very
&#062; curious what it would be like. It would be exciting.”
&#062;
&#062; The superficiality of this statement, with its desire to be 
&#062; entertained by the course of a nation, struck me. 


One of the defining characteristics of political correctness is the way it forbids thoughts.  It seems to me that if someone, in their heart, wanted Donald Trump to be elected, but was so deeply self-censored that they were afraid to even think the thought, that this might be a way for the concept to escape their self-censorship.  They decide that of course they don&#039;t want Trump as president, but wouldn&#039;t it be exciting?

At any rate, this week has been one huge sigh of relief for me. I hold out high hopes for Donald Trump and high hopes for the country that I haven&#039;t felt in a long time.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pie says that liberals need to &#8220;talk to people who think differently to you and persuade them of your argument&#8221;.  No.  Liberals need to *listen* to people who think differently than them and open themselves up to being persuaded by them, or at least finding a common ground of compromise.  He never even comes close to saying that, which is disappointing, but he&#8217;s just not there yet.  He&#8217;s off one wrong track and onto another. Maybe a less damaging one.</p>
<p>Frog wrote:<br />
&gt; “But I’m almost hoping he does win, because I’m very<br />
&gt; curious what it would be like. It would be exciting.”<br />
&gt;<br />
&gt; The superficiality of this statement, with its desire to be<br />
&gt; entertained by the course of a nation, struck me. </p>
<p>One of the defining characteristics of political correctness is the way it forbids thoughts.  It seems to me that if someone, in their heart, wanted Donald Trump to be elected, but was so deeply self-censored that they were afraid to even think the thought, that this might be a way for the concept to escape their self-censorship.  They decide that of course they don&#8217;t want Trump as president, but wouldn&#8217;t it be exciting?</p>
<p>At any rate, this week has been one huge sigh of relief for me. I hold out high hopes for Donald Trump and high hopes for the country that I haven&#8217;t felt in a long time.</p>
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